AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #3

[CincinnatiKate]

YES, I recall that post. I remember it clearly because she mentioned how when Sam ate dinner there, she didn't just take her plate to the sink after eating, but she rinsed it--- Ppl don't add details like that, unless its a memory. Just my opinion.

I also remember TC posting (before the interview came out) that she'd had Sam over to their house a few times, they'd even talked about DT, Sam's bf, and Sam had dinner there. I suppose she could've made that up as well, but since she said that stuff weeks ago, I tend to think she's telling the truth. In which case, she & CB were actually at least friends and not just acquaintances.

 

[bdawk20]

YES, I recall that post. I remember it clearly because she mentioned how when Sam ate dinner there, she didn't just take her plate to the sink after eating, but she rinsed it--- Ppl don't add details like that, unless its a memory. Just my opinion.

Better than a post, she said those things in the interview she and CB gave with KTVA. Again, kinda shows where she was very respectful of Sam until she felt backed into a corner, because she only repeated what "negative" she was told after she was attacked on the Help Find page over that interview....

 

[isamom]

Better than a post, she said those things in the interview she and CB gave with KTVA. Again, kinda shows where she was very respectful of Sam until she felt backed into a corner, because she only repeated what "negative" she was told after she was attacked on the Help Find page over that interview....

Can you guys please direct me to where on that page she was attacked? I dont know if I am missing something or what. But I have not seen her attacked on that page. And not by any admins on that page. I can go thru and look again but I am not seeing what you guys are I guess. So If you could tell me where or when she was on that page maybe I can understand better!

I believe CB's mom was more attacking because the general public was attacking her. She or CB have said they received threats and such, but I believe those were from random people not JK. I think because of the situation, and the RO he was looked at and alot of people were attacking him, if you look on his youtube I mean there were people attacking him that could be from out of state. I think she was somewhat taking her anger out on the wrong people. Most of the attacks were not coming from JK. I do not believe.

In my opinion.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

You are kidding right? I clearly learned recently though my own investigating That Find Sam page is a joke. They delete posts constantly. And even report certain posters for asking about "other" questionable people in Sam's life........ If you don't stay on that page and constantly refresh you will miss 3/4 of what is discussed. Whoever is admin is very clear now on what type of posts are left up. Screen Caps are not permitted here, but you can take this as fact, that page has removed any and all references to ANYONE other than CB and his mother. And based off what you have just asked--it seems after the comments on the ADN article, maybe the admin finally removed the posts containing their names too. That page has made it perfectly clear in the past week that the only people they are interested in dragging through the mud in this case is CB or his mother.

Can you guys please direct me to where on that page she was attacked? I dont know if I am missing something or what. But I have not seen her attacked on that page. And not by any admins on that page. I can go thru and look again but I am not seeing what you guys are I guess. So If you could tell me where or when she was on that page maybe I can understand better!

I believe CB's mom was more attacking because the general public was attacking her. She or CB have said they received threats and such, but I believe those were from random people not JK. I think because of the situation, and the RO he was looked at and alot of people were attacking him, if you look on his youtube I mean there were people attacking him that could be from out of state. I think she was somewhat taking her anger out on the wrong people. Most of the attacks were not coming from JK. I do not believe.

In my opinion.

 

[ak81]

Can you guys please direct me to where on that page she was attacked? I dont know if I am missing something or what. But I have not seen her attacked on that page. And not by any admins on that page. I can go thru and look again but I am not seeing what you guys are I guess. So If you could tell me where or when she was on that page maybe I can understand better!

I believe CB's mom was more attacking because the general public was attacking her. She or CB have said they received threats and such, but I believe those were from random people not JK. I think because of the situation, and the RO he was looked at and alot of people were attacking him, if you look on his youtube I mean there were people attacking him that could be from out of state. I think she was somewhat taking her anger out on the wrong people. Most of the attacks were not coming from JK. I do not believe.

In my opinion.

Here's one: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=394892577203737&id=100000489952656
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[bdawk20]

Can you guys please direct me to where on that page she was attacked? I dont know if I am missing something or what. But I have not seen her attacked on that page. And not by any admins on that page. I can go thru and look again but I am not seeing what you guys are I guess. So If you could tell me where or when she was on that page maybe I can understand better!

I believe CB's mom was more attacking because the general public was attacking her. She or CB have said they received threats and such, but I believe those were from random people not JK. I think because of the situation, and the RO he was looked at and alot of people were attacking him, if you look on his youtube I mean there were people attacking him that could be from out of state. I think she was somewhat taking her anger out on the wrong people. Most of the attacks were not coming from JK. I do not believe.

In my opinion.

It seemed pretty clear that JK's post to the Help Find site right after CB's interview with KTVA was directed at them, and it was extremely threatening, imo. He gave his address I'm assuming to invite a physical confrontation, told them to quote "f off", said that if he hears anymore "***** spew out of your mouths about an autumn fling" he will "not hold back. Thems fighting words, therefore I'm sure they felt attacked, and she said as much.
Honestly, I think we've pretty much covered JK and CB's mom at this point. She apologized for her part in the childish banter, and I don't think focusing on either of them will get Sam found.

jmo

 

[isamom]

Here's one: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=394892577203737&id=100000489952656
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Well, that post was from JK. And yes shared on the page because his posts are shared. Not the admins of the page. Second, I am sure he was a little upset over what they had said. And if they are not telling the truth, then he is making it clear in my opinion.
Of course someone is going to be upset if they are talking trash or not telling the truth about their missing daughter. I mean honestly I would have said the same.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

JK did directly out them, by referencing word-for-word a quote that CB's mother said during an interview... (I am hunting for that public statement, but can't find it.)
found it: His one page statement, SNIPPED by me:


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and somehow, I missed this Yahoo article about Sam: Bruce Springsteen Sings 'Missing Franco Garcia;' Fundraising Aids Samantha Koenig Search
news.yahoo.com

Can you guys please direct me to where on that page she was attacked? I dont know if I am missing something or what. But I have not seen her attacked on that page. And not by any admins on that page. I can go thru and look again but I am not seeing what you guys are I guess. So If you could tell me where or when she was on that page maybe I can understand better!

I believe CB's mom was more attacking because the general public was attacking her. She or CB have said they received threats and such, but I believe those were from random people not JK. I think because of the situation, and the RO he was looked at and alot of people were attacking him, if you look on his youtube I mean there were people attacking him that could be from out of state. I think she was somewhat taking her anger out on the wrong people. Most of the attacks were not coming from JK. I do not believe.

In my opinion.

 

[isamom]

You are kidding right? I clearly learned recently though my own investigating That Find Sam page is a joke. They delete posts constantly. And even report certain posters for asking about "other" questionable people in Sam's life........ If you don't stay on that page and constantly refresh you will miss 3/4 of what is discussed. Whoever is admin is very clear now on what type of posts are left up. Screen Caps are not permitted here, but you can take this as fact, that page has removed any and all references to ANYONE other than CB and his mother. And based off what you have just asked--it seems after the comments on the ADN article, maybe the admin finally removed the posts containing their names too. That page has made it perfectly clear in the past week that the only people they are interested in dragging through the mud in this case is CB or his mother.

I think you are talking about the first page. Because thats what was going on with that page.

Unless your an admin on that page you have no idea. Research all you want. Come to your own conclusions. That is fine. What are you talking about ADN, admins removed there names too?
No one on that page is dragging CB and his mother through the mud. Oh yes, they would like people to think that. But other then JK post I dont see anyone trashing CB.... there was a post I believe at one point directed toward his mother from a friend of hers because of what CBs mother had been saying. TC , in my opinion is a very cruel women. And to have said the things she has said about SK was uncalled for and out of line. She makes me sick. If you want to attack the family, whatever, but to talk poorly about a girl who is missing, just horrible.

 

[bdawk20]

Well, that post was from JK. And yes shared on the page because his posts are shared. Not the admins of the page. Second, I am sure he was a little upset over what they had said. And if they are not telling the truth, then he is making it clear in my opinion.
Of course someone is going to be upset if they are talking trash or not telling the truth about their missing daughter. I mean honestly I would have said the same.

Why is it automatically assumed that JK is telling the truth and that CB & mom are lying? Does anybody really know that for sure? I sure don't. What did they say that upset him? That they had a fling and that proof that she was not being truthful about the assault was turned over to their lawyer? I don't consider that talking trash....I consider that defending oneself, and they are entitled to that. Just because Sam is missing does not make her rights different than CB's, just like the fact that JK's daughter is missing does not make his rights different than CB's mom's. Why is it acroos-the-board okay for JK to threaten people because it is his opinion that they are lying and trashing, but when he trashes them, they are not "allowed" to swing back?

 

[CincinnatiKate]

What they perceived to be a friendship, feeding her dinner and the like and you cannot deny CB did introduce her to his family as someone worth breaking bread with--- I think its wrong of JK to try to say they were not friends...

Well, that post was from JK. And yes shared on the page because his posts are shared. Not the admins of the page. Second, I am sure he was a little upset over what they had said. And if they are not telling the truth, then he is making it clear in my opinion.
Of course someone is going to be upset if they are talking trash or not telling the truth about their missing daughter. I mean honestly I would have said the same.

 

[ak81]

Well, that post was from JK. And yes shared on the page because his posts are shared. Not the admins of the page. Second, I am sure he was a little upset over what they had said. And if they are not telling the truth, then he is making it clear in my opinion.
Of course someone is going to be upset if they are talking trash or not telling the truth about their missing daughter. I mean honestly I would have said the same.

What does that mean?? You asked for proof that JK attacked/threatened them. This was posted before the interview came out. Up until this point, TC's FB page said nothing directed towards Sam or James except support and prayers, from day one.
But bdawk is right, this does nothing to help find Sam.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

I agree, but I personally believe JK is so mad at CB and his mother, because there is truth to what they are saying. and yes ADN has removed comments as well, probably to restore some order to the chaos.

A hit dog hollers.

It seemed pretty clear that JK's post to the Help Find site right after CB's interview with KTVA was directed at them, and it was extremely threatening, imo. He gave his address I'm assuming to invite a physical confrontation, told them to quote "f off", said that if he hears anymore "***** spew out of your mouths about an autumn fling" he will "not hold back. Thems fighting words, therefore I'm sure they felt attacked, and she said as much.
Honestly, I think we've pretty much covered JK and CB's mom at this point. She apologized for her part in the childish banter, and I don't think focusing on either of them will get Sam found.

jmo

 

[nursebeeme]

Peeps, do not cut and paste facebook comments please.

 

[bdawk20]

I think you are talking about the first page. Because thats what was going on with that page.

Unless your an admin on that page you have no idea. Research all you want. Come to your own conclusions. That is fine. What are you talking about ADN, admins removed there names too?
No one on that page is dragging CB and his mother through the mud. Oh yes, they would like people to think that. But other then JK post I dont see anyone trashing CB.... there was a post I believe at one point directed toward his mother from a friend of hers because of what CBs mother had been saying. TC , in my opinion is a very cruel women. And to have said the things she has said about SK was uncalled for and out of line. She makes me sick. If you want to attack the family, whatever, but to talk poorly about a girl who is missing, just horrible.

isamom....let's be real. The admin of the Help Find page put a post up a day or so ago about "Me thinks the lady doth protest too much", followed by alot of thinly veiled giggling and commentary. Clearly, it was about CB's mom. Only when one of Sam's supporters pointed out that they could tell it was a cryptic message and that they didn't think it was in keeping with the supposed positive image of the site, it was removed.
I truly don't want to argue about this, but please let's not stick our heads in the sand here...

 

[Miziree]

I want to bring a few articles back up and what was quoted:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/...ontinue-search-for-missing.html#storylink=cpy

Markiewicz would not say what type of weapon police think the man carried or how he entered the coffee hut, but there's "little doubt" that Koenig's disappearance was anything other than an abduction, the detective said. That's based on Koenig's demeanor and the man's actions as seen in the video, Markiewicz said.

"The video's pretty compelling," he said.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4658439...g-samantha-koenig-case-are-good/#.T1ZSSYfOXTo

Sgt. Slav Markiewicz said detectives are making tremendous progress, and added they are continuing this investigation as if Samantha Koenig is alive.
Anchorage Police said it has received close to 400 leads since Koenig went missing February 1st. Sgt. Markowitz said the odds of solving this case are good, and that he's convinced it's just a matter of time.
"I speak from my experience, and I speak because I know how the case is progressing," he said.

The person who quoted is :
homicide unit chief Sgt. Slav Markiewicz

The other detective we have heard from is the police spokesman.

I honestly think this was a true abduction and they know who has/had her and they are trying to find enough evidence to arrest him/her. If they believe she is passed and have a idea where she might be buried/dumped..they may just be waiting for spring to find her. If they believe she is alive they may know the direction he/she went with Sam but not exactly where.

My sister ran away in Alaska for 1 month when we were teens. My mom went to the police but not much was done at the time. My mom and her bf went to the streets and talked with people and payed people for the info to find her. I really wonder if this is one of the reason's JK has tried to raise more money....it seems that way from things he has said. like the comment about if he finds her no one gets the money ect...

When driving north in Alaska with certain cell phones there is not as much coverage. Calls are dropped and the battery is drained much much faster. (this is from personal experience from when I visit) The further you go north the worse it is until there is no coverage. I wonder if this is the reason they are having a harder time locating her if they are going by the cell phone records. Not sure how the cell phone's work going south of town.

This case has become almost as bad as the Hailey Dunn case...I just hope this don't have the same end result as that one does..

MOO

 

[joslmaman]

It sure would be nice if LE release some sort of news especially if it may help clear up all this arguing back and forth between CB and fam and JK so the energy can be moved elsewhere to get Samantha home.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

I have a quick question about a statement made by James Koenig on Feb 7th.

http://www.cbsnews.com/.../missing-a...koenig-filed-f...
Feb 7, 2012 snipped by me "– Her father, James Koenig Jr., said Monday that she was too scared to show up for the hearing."

I believe that in court records in an earlier post in this thread that she DID show up to the hearing, but refused to continue the case and left early before the heaing began, and the charges were dropped.
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....Just my experience and opinions in this post......

 

[ryanemsmom]

Can you guys please direct me to where on that page she was attacked? I dont know if I am missing something or what. But I have not seen her attacked on that page. And not by any admins on that page. I can go thru and look again but I am not seeing what you guys are I guess. So If you could tell me where or when she was on that page maybe I can understand better!

What I remember jumping out at me was the copy/paste of JK's status update on 3.3.12 at 6:12 pm. It's not necessarily an attack but he definitely has not nice things to say about CB and his mom.

I agree with everyone that this needs to stop. JK needs to stop with the threats, CB's mom needs to stop with the petty BS, and everyone needs to focus on figuring out what happened to Samantha.

My opinion.

 

[joslmaman]

almost[/B] as bad as the Hailey Dunn case...I just hope this don't have the same end result as that one does..

MOO

Going south of Anchorage you can lose signal too for sure.