AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #3

[CincinnatiKate]

You all are amazing with the media, witness discrepancies. I don't see how the public can help in any way when this is the information provided to us. Seems like the issues are somewhere between the employee/owner accounts of that morning,the info on the camera, and then attention being focused on CK.



Who mentioned CK in MSM first? JK, a journalist or a sleuther?

I still haven't cleared LE in a cover-up and shotty case....Has LE asked the public to look for her?

 

[ak81]

Also..check this out..

http://lostnmissing.posterous.com/update-missing-samantha-koenig-18-anchorage-a

I cannot find this entire article on ADN anymore. Can they remove or edit articles?

The Duncan basically say, 1- the perp was very intentional about not being caught. 2- The video shows Samantha and the perp walking away. 3- They are unsure of if it was by choice or force that she left.

THEN LE sees the SAME video and makes a report that it was an abduction with a weapon and changes it from suspicious missing person to abduction Friday afternoon.

Wow.. this is from the ADN article on the 9th:
Soon after, when the Duncans watched the surveillance video, they saw something that made them call police immediately, he said. The couple would not elaborate on what triggered the call but said the video was obscured somehow.

And this from the ADN article on the 3rd: http://www.adn.com/2012/02/03/2298379/police-continue-search-for-missing.html
"We didn't even have a red flag," Duncan said. "We didn't know anything was wrong until we found out she hadn't been heard from."

ALSO, from the article on the 3rd:
MO, a morning-shift barista at the coffee stand, said there were cups of coffee left out on the counter when she arrived to open up, and Koenig's belongings were left in her cubby box.

And from the article on the 9th:
Common Grounds owners Tyler and Michelle Duncan said that the stand was locked up the next morning, but it was messy inside and all the cash was missing. Earlier reports that Koenig left behind her belongings at the stand were incorrect -- her purse, coat and cellphone were gone, Michelle Duncan said -- and there wasn't anything that immediately suggested an abduction, she said.

What the he**?? Well, this article does answer the question about boarding up the windows. They said they were boarded up like normal.. meaning DT could not have looked in and seen any "mess".

 

[joslmaman]

Who mentioned CK in MSM first? JK, a journalist or a sleuther?

I still haven't cleared LE in a cover-up and shotty case....Has LE asked the public to look for her?

I can't be positive. I feel like it was mentioned very briefly early on by a journalist and then people went crazy online from there. I could be wrong.

I have not heard LE ask for the public's help. Anyone else?

 

[joslmaman]

http://www.ktuu.com/anchorage-police-looking-for-missing-barista-020212,0,2356040.story

this article is from Thursday the 2nd of Feb. They mentioned the RO at the end of the article.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

on Feb 14th CBS stated JK "... said he was unsure if the man(CB) was still in Anchorage.

and they do things different in Alaska I can only assume...Mr.Koenig is "conducting his own searches and following leads"...

every other case I am reading about... no one is doing their own searches, they keep saying LE wants to do their job and they work with some sort of organized "party", even if unadvertised...
I don't think LE is telling Dada anything...kinda makes me think he could be a suspect?!? I am just guessing, He has not been "cleared" either, right?

 

[CincinnatiKate]

But if she was "led out under duress"...


who in the samheck locked the door?


And why in his statements does JK keep saying "persons, those of you, and people" If only one man was seen?

Wow.. this is from the ADN article on the 9th:
Soon after, when the Duncans watched the surveillance video, they saw something that made them call police immediately, he said. The couple would not elaborate on what triggered the call but said the video was obscured somehow.

And this from the ADN article on the 3rd: http://www.adn.com/2012/02/03/2298379/police-continue-search-for-missing.html
"We didn't even have a red flag," Duncan said. "We didn't know anything was wrong until we found out she hadn't been heard from."

ALSO, from the article on the 3rd:
MO, a morning-shift barista at the coffee stand, said there were cups of coffee left out on the counter when she arrived to open up, and Koenig's belongings were left in her cubby box.

And from the article on the 9th:
Common Grounds owners Tyler and Michelle Duncan said that the stand was locked up the next morning, but it was messy inside and all the cash was missing. Earlier reports that Koenig left behind her belongings at the stand were incorrect -- her purse, coat and cellphone were gone, Michelle Duncan said -- and there wasn't anything that immediately suggested an abduction, she said.

What the he**?? Well, this article does answer the question about boarding up the windows. They said they were boarded up like normal.. meaning DT could not have looked in and seen any "mess".

 

[joslmaman]

That's what I tend to think....
Everyone seems to be a possibility. Which..I haven't followed many cases from the beginning but don't they typically clear parents and significant others FIRST in cases like this?

 

[bdawk20]

You all are amazing with the media, witness discrepancies. I don't see how the public can help in any way when this is the information provided to us. Seems like the issues are somewhere between the employee/owner accounts of that morning,the info on the camera, and then attention being focused on CK.



Who mentioned CK in MSM first? JK, a journalist or a sleuther?

I still haven't cleared LE in a cover-up and shotty case....Has LE asked the public to look for her?

They told locals "Not to infere"
http://www.ktva.com/news/samantha-k...nterfere-in-Search-for-Barista-139039064.html

 

[joslmaman]

But if she was "led out under duress"...


who in the samheck locked the door?


And why in his statements does JK keep saying "persons, those of you, and people" If only one man was seen?

A lot of inconsistent reporting. Is it the reporting or the telling? That's what is unclear.
There's a big difference between her walking away with this person and it not being obvious if it was "forced or voluntary" and her being obviously kidnapped with a weapon..

I just don't get it. They saw the same video!

 

[CincinnatiKate]

In my logical thinking, someone told KTUU on Feb 1 or before that there was an "incident". Introduced CB's name, it seems like it was purposefully placed into media.

http://www.ktuu.com/anchorage-police-looking-for-missing-barista-020212,0,2356040.story

this article is from Thursday the 2nd of Feb. They mentioned the RO at the end of the article.

 

[cluciano63]

That's what I tend to think....
Everyone seems to be a possibility. Which..I haven't followed many cases from the beginning but don't they typically clear parents and significant others FIRST in cases like this?

In most cases I have followed, LE hardly ever clears anyone. I don't know why, but even if they have technically cleared someone (i.e Kaine Horman?) I don't think they have ever come out and said he was cleared, for example. And of course in the Bobo case, one LE cleared the family while another said no one was cleared. So I am not sure we can believe LE anyway. JMO

 

[Joe Friday]

I do...
I also wonder about her locking the door. What kind of lock does it have, I wonder? A simple, turn the little thingy on the inside of the door, and when you shut it from the outside it's locked, or a deadbolt that she would have needed to lock with a key from the outside. This is also something I would think they saw on the video. If there's a deadbolt, and it was locked, I find it weird that the abductor would want her to/let her lock up...kind of like I thought it would be odd if he wanted her to/let her gather her thinks before they left. Those things would just keep them at the abduction scene longer.

It seems a screen door has been added to the outside of the door. But there are pictures of the building prior to that which show a lock set similar to what you would find on a house with a separate dead bolt. Without knowing exactly which locks were locked it is hard to know if Sam locked the dead bolt when she left which would have required the use of a key from the outside.

Yes if the dead bolt was locked it would be really strange. Who abducts someone and waits for them to lock the door behind themselves.

http://commongroundsespresso.com/About_Us.html

 

[isamom]

Hopefully they will show a still shot of this guy. I mean it has been over a month, they need to step it up and do something different... in my opinion. I am quite frustrated with them.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

going off the owners statement from here ...http://www.adn.com/2012/02/08/v-printer/2307318/police-report-some-progress-in.html

so she did a crap job of closing, "but good enough" (to me means, the building was locked but not secure-i.e. someone forgot to set the alarm, or lock the night lock etc) and that they only looked at the cameras to discover how the money went missing, I wonder if they initially thought Sam had robbed them--you know, that split second when occams razor sets in-

so the owners are the ones that kicked off the investigation...no one was missing Sam from closing time to approx (guessing) 30 minutes after the hut opens. Will someone refresh my memory on the hours of operation?


ETA: I found this from JK, he did notice she was missing after work---"""as "everybody's best friend" and says he knew something was wrong when she didn't come home from work on Wednesday.""""



article also clearly says Police say they have no reason to suspect (Duane)

It seems a screen door has been added to the outside of the door. But there are pictures of the building prior to that which show a lock set similar to what you would find on a house with a separate dead bolt. Without knowing exactly which locks were locked it is hard to know if Sam locked the dead bolt when she left which would have required the use of a key from the outside.

Yes if the dead bolt was locked it would be really strange. Who abducts someone and waits for them to lock the door behind themselves.

http://commongroundsespresso.com/About_Us.html

 

[ak81]

It seems a screen door has been added to the outside of the door. But there are pictures of the building prior to that which show a lock set similar to what you would find on a house with a separate dead bolt. Without knowing exactly which locks were locked it is hard to know if Sam locked the dead bolt when she left which would have required the use of a key from the outside.

Yes if the dead bolt was locked it would be really strange. Who abducts someone and waits for them to lock the door behind themselves.

http://commongroundsespresso.com/About_Us.html

In this video, at 1 minute in, the opening barista being interviewed is standing right in front of the door.. can totally see the locks behind her.
http://www.ktuu.com/ktuu-father-of-missing-barista-pleas-for-her-return-20120204,0,4431149.story

 

[CincinnatiKate]

In your link the barista clearly states the building wasn't locked up and Sammy wasnt like that.

Is this a lucrative hut? Popular? Busy? up to date on its financial obligations?

In this video, at 1 minute in, the opening barista being interviewed is standing right in front of the door.. can totally see the locks behind her.
http://www.ktuu.com/ktuu-father-of-missing-barista-pleas-for-her-return-20120204,0,4431149.story

 

[ak81]

In your link the barista clearly states the building wasn't locked up and Sammy wasnt like that.

Is this a lucrative hut? Popular? Busy? up to date on its financial obligations?

Don't know about the financial part of it, but it is very popular and busy. They have a great location, being right in front of the Alaska Club. Tudor is a very busy road.

And that's what I was saying when I posted this link before about what the barista said (although I'm not sure she says the building wasn't locked. She just said the shop wasn't "closed up" which could mean her closing duties weren't done). This was the barista that opened and SHE claims she knew right away something was very wrong. So why the change in story from the owner??

 

[Joe Friday]

It looks like the door was completely replaced from when the hut was first opened. The video clearly shows a separate dead bolt lock which would require a key to be used from the outside to lock it..

It is anyone's guess if the person opening in the morning would have realized if the deadbolt was locked or not. Often when someone opens a door regularly they develop a habit of inserting the key and turning the lock and don't even know if the lock was locked prior to that or not. Depending on who opens in the morning if they are the one that regulatory opens I don't know how she would have even known if the lock was locked. When you unlock your house or business do you try to open the door to see if it was locked prior to unlocking the lock, if you know if should be locked? I know I don't. I just stick my key in the lock and turn it then open the door. I couldn't tell you if the lock was locked or not. But it should have been.

JMO

 

[CincinnatiKate]

I just went and tried on my deadbolt. To unlock my quickset deadbolt lock, if the door is UNLOCKED, I cannot "unlock"it again...the key doesn't turn that way.

just at my house. I have never been to AK, and I have no idea the manufacturer of that lock.

It looks like the door was completely replaced from when the hut was first opened. The video clearly shows a separate dead bolt lock which would require a key to be used from the outside to lock it..

It is anyone's guess if the person opening in the morning would have realized if the deadbolt was locked or not. Often when someone opens a door regularly they develop a habit of inserting the key and turning the lock and don't even know if the lock was locked prior to that or not. Depending on who opens in the morning if they are the one that regulatory opens I don't know how she would have even known if the lock was locked. When you unlock your house or business do you try to open the door to see if it was locked prior to unlocking the lock, if you know if should be locked? I know I don't. I just stick my key in the lock and turn it then open the door. I couldn't tell you if the lock was locked or not. But it should have been.

JMO

 

[CincinnatiKate]

Thank you for correcting me. she said " NOT CLOSED UP. Someone just basically left their shift."


I personally am taking this at face value, she did her shift duties (cleaned the pots, stocked the cups and condiments etc. but did not close the shop... (I think because she knew she was going to hang out and drink that cup of coffee with someone she had to talk to/someone she trusted/someone she had business with----)

It looks like the door was completely replaced from when the hut was first opened. The video clearly shows a separate dead bolt lock which would require a key to be used from the outside to lock it..

It is anyone's guess if the person opening in the morning would have realized if the deadbolt was locked or not. Often when someone opens a door regularly they develop a habit of inserting the key and turning the lock and don't even know if the lock was locked prior to that or not. Depending on who opens in the morning if they are the one that regulatory opens I don't know how she would have even known if the lock was locked. When you unlock your house or business do you try to open the door to see if it was locked prior to unlocking the lock, if you know if should be locked? I know I don't. I just stick my key in the lock and turn it then open the door. I couldn't tell you if the lock was locked or not. But it should have been.

JMO