AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #3

[cluciano63]

The perp(s) know by now that the coffee shop owner saw the video, not just LE. And LE came out with the ban on showing the video so quickly, that is what makes me lean toward it showing something more about Samantha than it does about the perp, for some reason. JMO
I think LE said right away they would not be releasing the video, almost too soon for any real contact with the perp, IMO.

 

[amber1]

They aren't sharing info with the family?
I'm sorry, but I would want to know! For my child!
I'm growing weary of these games, I can only imagine that poor family and what they are going through, having that piece of info with held...I know they say the info on there is "useless and won't help solve the crime"....but as a parent I would say "If it's useless and won't solve the crime, what harm what it have on me viewing it?!"

 

[tiredblondy]

Sorry guys, I just can't get past the "significantly taller" description of the guy. She was 5'5". That's not short, I'm the same height and yes I know that's not tall either. The guy was significantly taller,to me that means more than 6' ft tall.

I just think there is a reason they said "significantly" taller, but I don't have a clue what that reason would be.

 

[bessie]

Well, I didn't say I believed LE's explanation, just posted it for reference. DadinAK's theory makes a lot of sense to me. I'm still not sure it isn't something else, though.

The police say Sam looked scared. The shop owners say they saw something "disturbing" in the video which prompted them to call LE. So IF Samantha left voluntarily, she must have played the part well. So what happened? Just speculatin', but maybe she broke character for a moment and smiled. But then why withhold that from the family?

 

[bessie]

Sorry guys, I just can't get past the "significantly taller" description of the guy. She was 5'5". That's not short, I'm the same height and yes I know that's not tall either. The guy was significantly taller,to me that means more than 6' ft tall.

I just think there is a reason they said "significantly" taller, but I don't have a clue what that reason would be.

Yeah, that jumped out at me, too. "Significantly taller" is vague and doesn't sound like LE lingo. I would expect the detective to say "approximately 6' tall", for instance. It's possible that the image was so obscured that it was difficult to gauge the difference within inches. Maybe he was hiding behind an umbrella.

 

[bessie]

Just a thought guys, could it be the reason LE doesn't want to show the tape is because there is something on it that could cause the public to panic? Didn't the coffee shop owner say it was disturbing?
Just an idea. Because then I think that if that were the case, the coffee shop owner may have told the other girls working there to protect them.
I'm really not sure. This whole thing makes my head hurt, as it does with everyone else!

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[cluciano63]

Was it ever determined if LE used the words "apparent abduction" or if this was just a media phrase? The reason I wonder is because of LE coming out saying they believe Samantha is alive, this week, which could tally with now not being certain that she was truly abducted, i.e. maybe it was staged or planned in some way?

 

[ak81]

Well, I've gotten myself banned from the ADN comments board and I actually think it's pretty interesting. Someone was posting about the possibility of this being part of a drug investigation that Sam was in on. Another person commented on what a stupid idea that was and I said something about her being connected to the dealers, etc. <modsnip>

Next morning, my comment is completely gone (usually, it just shows "comment removed" by Guest.. but mine was GONE gone, like it was never there) and I have a statement on the top of every ADN comments section saying that I have been blocked by the site from posting any comments. I got into it with another commenter before and they kept flagging my comments enough so that I finally got banned, but I never had that happen before.

Another comment was removed having to do with her running the drugs, someone else summarized it (and I'm guessing that won't be there long either)
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<modsnip>
When I see that I think to myself that she is OK, that she's hiding, and she's just super embarrassed. Furthermore, the dad has thrown out some crazy red herrings, which make me think he knows where she is and is trying to throw someone [dealer? APD?] off the scent."

I'm really starting to believe that she is involved.. either as part of an investigation <modsnip> or maybe she relapsed back into drugs with someone she began seeing behind Duane's back. If she was actually living with her Dad & Duane, <modsnip> maybe she was just really looking for a way to escape it all. I think she's contacted APD but doesn't know the best way to fix this mess so she won't say where she is. I think this all just exploded into something she never expected and now with all this new things known publicly about her, she doesn't want to come home.

 

[joslmaman]

http://www.adn.com/2012/03/09/2361062/police-believe-missing-barista.html#storylink=misearch


In rereading this article a couple things still stick out to me.

"I'm privy to the details of the investigation, and I believe that she's alive," Markiewicz said.

Markiewicz said there was no evidence that Koenig is dead. When asked if there is evidence that she is alive, he declined to comment further.


Markiewicz, the detective, said the investigation has not turned up any information indicating the abduction is related to James Koenig. Markiewicz would not say if Bird is a suspect or has been cleared in the investigation. The nasty dialogue between Bird's supporters and Koenig's was a distraction, Markiewicz said.


At this point I personally don't really think CB is directly responsible for this, but I'm wondering where the information came from that he had been cleared? If he indeed had been cleared, why would the investigator not say so when asked? I have never followed anything like this before but I would think that if someone was being looked at in a crime like this, the police had cleared them and they continued to get death threats from the public surely LE would make a statement publicly that they had been cleared!

 

[isamom]

http://www.adn.com/2012/03/09/2361062/police-believe-missing-barista.html#storylink=misearch


In rereading this article a couple things still stick out to me.

"I'm privy to the details of the investigation, and I believe that she's alive," Markiewicz said.

Markiewicz said there was no evidence that Koenig is dead. When asked if there is evidence that she is alive, he declined to comment further.


Markiewicz, the detective, said the investigation has not turned up any information indicating the abduction is related to James Koenig. Markiewicz would not say if Bird is a suspect or has been cleared in the investigation. The nasty dialogue between Bird's supporters and Koenig's was a distraction, Markiewicz said.


At this point I personally don't really think CB is directly responsible for this, but I'm wondering where the information came from that he had been cleared? If he indeed had been cleared, why would the investigator not say so when asked? I have never followed anything like this before but I would think that if someone was being looked at in a crime like this, the police had cleared them and they continued to get death threats from the public surely LE would make a statement publicly that they had been cleared!

I agree. I think it is first great to hear that he does think she is still alive. For I dont know much about these cases other then this one and if a Detective would say such a thing if he really did have good reason to believe she is still alive. I think that statement is giving much hope and I dont think he would have said that if he really didnt feel that way?
But like I said I am not sure if I am reading to much into what he said!

I also did find it interesting that he said he would not say if Bird was a suspect or had been cleared. For I know CB has stated that but it does not look like LE has actually stated that.

 

[ryanemsmom]

I agree. I think it is first great to hear that he does think she is still alive. For I dont know much about these cases other then this one and if a Detective would say such a thing if he really did have good reason to believe she is still alive. I think that statement is giving much hope and I dont think he would have said that if he really didnt feel that way?
But like I said I am not sure if I am reading to much into what he said!

I also did find it interesting that he said he would not say if Bird was a suspect or had been cleared. For I know CB has stated that but it does not look like LE has actually stated that.

BBM
snipped from ADN article published Feb 7th

Parker, the police spokesman, said as of Monday detectives had not named Christopher Bird -- or anyone else -- as a suspect or person of interest in the case.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2012/02/06/23035...publics-help.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

snipped from KTVA article posted March 2nd

Police said they had investigated Bird as part of initial investigations but he had never been named as a suspect in the case.

“All you have to do is identify the wrong person and all of a sudden they’re public enemy number one,” said APD spokesman Lieutenant Dave Parker.

http://www.ktva.com/home/top-stories/Internet-Rumors-and-Speculation-Cast-Pall-on-Koenig-Acquaintance-141257473.html

 

[joslmaman]

They either don't want to bring it back up in an attempt to squelch that whole situation or they changed their minds.

 

[ryanemsmom]

They either don't want to bring it back up in an attempt to squelch that whole situation

This would be my guess. They already stated that feuding between the two camps was hurting the investigation.

 

[SmoothOperator]

I really would like to know why there is not at bare minimum stills or snippets of the abduction video?.. The tainting of jury pool doesn't wash and clearly its been asked of the public for their assistance more tthan once... We are well into over a month since Sam's abduction and imo ,if alive all the more urgency in getting that public individual who may have the key piece of info that you need .. But without even a snippet for the public to see it keeps that key info unknown... If Sam is deceased it is still urgent that she be found immediately, as each day that passes the crucial evidence only continues to deteriorate(and theres nothing that indicates if in fact deceased that her remains are outside with freezing temps aiding in preserving evidence, if even only temporarily..thats not a certainty that id be willing to take a gamble on)..

Some may say this is standard and the way that LE handles such cases as Sam's.. I strongly disagree and a few clicks around google and youll quickly see that it in fact is NOT the norm, nor SOP..

Below is a case that just happened within this past week... An aggressive abduction that was caught by more than one surveillance cam(just like Sam's was).. And the woman was forced into a vehicle against her will..she has not been seen or heard from since(3/4/12).. Long Island didnt hesitate to immediately release the video in needing the publics assistance to find and bring home this female victim as well as hopefully serve justice for what has been done to her.

APD I ask that you seriously consider releasing if only a small portion of the multiple cam surveillance footage.. if there are things you dont want released for public consumption..thats fine..heavily edit and do not release any of the footage from inside the hut.. Release a mere few seconds showing the perp walking up to the window of the hut..if still too much..then release only the few seconds of the back view of both Sam and the perp as they are walking away from the camera outside the coffee hut..this is absolutely crucial and time has wasted into over a month now..i ask you to please reconsider..

The following is the video of the abduction in LI on 3/4(which again their LE didnt hesitate to release the video and it clearly shows the face of the perp multiple times..so out flies the jury tainting excuses)..below the video is a snippet from msm reporting on the abduction followed by its link..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7VtUsNxt8g&feature=youtu.be

Metropolitan Transit Authority cops are hunting for the vicious caught on tape beating and kidnapping a woman in broad daylight outside the Ronkonkoma station on Sunday morning.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...#ixzz1ojqU9vku


According to witnesses, after the video ends, the man placed the victim over his shoulder and threw her in the back seat of a nearby car against her will. The suspect then drove away in the direction of the Long Island Expressway.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...and&id=8575695

 

[cluciano63]

I would be surprised if LE is sharing much with Samantha's father...he has been totally obsessed, IMO, with the rapper, so unless LE has told him in secret that they are concentrating on him, I think Dad is flying on his own instincts and ideas.

Also, we have seen many cases where LE has come out and said they believe the victim is alive, as they have nothing to show otherwise. There is no way to know if in this case, they really have evidence telling them she is alive, or if they are strictly keeping the idea of Samantha being alive out there, in hopes of more and better tips than they might otherwise get. JMO

 

[joslmaman]

Nice work smooth.

 

[DadinAK]

Nice SmoothOperator.

I am wondering which video you found the owner indicating the camera position?.... I cannot find the picture that was posted earlier showing a dome-covered surveillance camera positioned on the ceiling on the opposite side of the shack from the door, the original poster indicated it was at their Tudor store(where SK worked).....I will keep looking...... The only video I can find where the owner indicates the position of the security camera is the car crash video which occured at their Old Seward & Dowling location. I am still looking for the picture I am referring to, and will get back with info on that asap.

 

[katydid23]

I thought the door would have been locked. Isn't it drive-up/walk up service only?

That is what confuses me.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

<modsnip> If anyone is following the Jane Bashera case from Detroit, you can see how far behind and completely inaccurate MSM is. CNN this morning is still reporting inaccurate info. I believe this is also happening in this case. I saw someone posted the video of the NY abduction from Sunday. That woman also knows her attacker and you can see how easy it is to walk your victim away when there is video evidence as well as human witnesses.

 

[cluciano63]

There was a murder here in a hotel yesterday where I live and the video of a possible suspect has already been put out on all of the news sites...just saying...