AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #4

Status
Not open for further replies.
Has there been any past violent or aggressive or felonious behavior dredged up from his past yet? He just seems like an unlikely suspect to have killed a young girl for petty cash from a register.

I think the money taken was taken because Sam was. Maybe to make it look like a robbery gone wrong.

I have not seen anything on his past (not for lack of looking).

I think he is one person, I think there will be more and I think we will read previous posts and be saying "I thought it was suspicious when I read ......" and a lot of posts will actually make sense.
And I think there will be surprises everywhere ending in an enquiry.

Police were obviously onto this guy for a while. Sealing everything and the press conferences given by cops just raises more suspicion and leaves the door open for rumours.

Not even this girl's father has been involved in gthe investigation, he has been carrying out his own not knowing if he is going in the wrong direction or not - certainly not having the equipment, devices and experience that detectives have and not even support from them.

People are kept out of an investigation for a reason.
 
According to the original KTRE Channel 9 story, a trooper monitoring traffic along Highway 59 south of Lufkin pulled Keyes over on March 13th after a traffic violation. Once Keyes was detained in the parking lot of the Cotton Patch Restaurant, the trooper discovered that he was a suspect in the kidnapping of Samantha Koenig. The FBI, Texas Rangers and DPS were called in as backup. After searching Keyes' vehicle, investigators found enough evidence to arrest him for suspected kidnapping

http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2012/03/israel-keyes-arrested-in-lufkin-texas.html

In the PC by Alaska LE it was said they know WHEN he left AK & arrived in TX..This above, IF accurate, confirms he was already a suspect..So, why then was he allowed to leave AK? I guess not enough evidence until whatever was found in the car.
 
Does anyone here know how long he was in TX before he was arrested? I am totally befuddled.....Totally.....

Nothing has been released that I can see. The neighbours have said they last saw him in early March. If early means the 1st that means he had 12 days to get down here. Naturally if he flew it would be overnight, if he drove it is a 70 hour trip according to mapquest which doesn't take into consideration weather, construction or sleeping.
 
Go back and read post #390.

IK owns property in Constable, NY.

Thanks Knox. I also sent you a message. I appreciate it. The only question I have is how would he have gotten her from AK to NY to TX in the past few weeks?
 
http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2012/03/israel-keyes-arrested-in-lufkin-texas.html

In the PC by Alaska LE it was said they know WHEN he left AK & arrived in TX..This above, IF accurate, confirms he was already a suspect..So, why then was he allowed to leave AK? I guess not enough evidence until whatever was found in the car.

Maybe because they know he has something to do with this and have been watching him and samantha wasn't with him .... him being allowed to leeave may have let them believe he would lead them to Samantha.
 
Also Knox, I can see a Alaska Address, am I missing the NY one? And I am trying to understand these records so I apoligize! But does that mean he owns that one property in Alaska as well? 3705 Arctic Blvd #2891
Anchorage AK 99503
 
I have a question...Post #181 has a PDF of his DUI. I noticed the second time around that IK wrote the date as 4 June 01. It didn't strike me at first, because I am an expat living abroad right now. But, typically Americans or those educated in America who have not traveled elsewhere would write the the date as 6/04/01. I am not sure if the Army, Navy, etc trains people to write Day/Month/Year, but in the US we are taught Month/Day/Year. Has he spent time abroad? If he has, is this why there are minimal records? Or does the US Army train them to write this way? I know military time is different. So if this is just standard protocol let me know! Thanks :)
 
I think the money taken was taken because Sam was. Maybe to make it look like a robbery gone wrong.

I have not seen anything on his past (not for lack of looking).

I think he is one person, I think there will be more and I think we will read previous posts and be saying "I thought it was suspicious when I read ......" and a lot of posts will actually make sense.
And I think there will be surprises everywhere ending in an enquiry.

Police were obviously onto this guy for a while. Sealing everything and the press conferences given by cops just raises more suspicion and leaves the door open for rumours.

Not even this girl's father has been involved in gthe investigation, he has been carrying out his own not knowing if he is going in the wrong direction or not - certainly not having the equipment, devices and experience that detectives have and not even support from them.

People are kept out of an investigation for a reason.

Well, a lot of times LE can't tell people what or who they are investigating for fear they will tell everything to someone who will leak it. Now, what they've told Sam's dad, who knows? I know he would move heaven and earth to get her back, so I'm sure they were extremely cautious in what they divulged to him.

I think you are right about the money, it was taken because she was. I also think you are right that LE has been onto this guy for awhile. The question is, where is Sam????

JMO, IMO, MOO, and all other disclaimers.
 
Thanks Knox. I also sent you a message. I appreciate it. The only question I have is how would he have gotten her from AK to NY to TX in the past few weeks?

Which is why I questioned it too. There haven't even been a few weeks IF his neighbours are correct and last saw him early March.

I just can't see how he could do all that travelling and if we are searching his properties we are assuming Samantha was with him without a siting.

Remember Caylee? There were sitings all over America reported - even some after the remains were found.

Can an Alaskan answer this: Are there very many homes left vacant during winter up there?
I was wondering because they want to know people who have dealt with IK's business. He may well have been privy to information like "we want to get this fixed before we head south for the winter" - IK would have a place to hide her and maybe the opportunity to get a key to the house.

I am shooting for the stars here huh?
 
I have a question...Post #181 has a PDF of his DUI. I noticed the second time around that IK wrote the date as 4 June 01. It didn't strike me at first, because I am an expat living abroad right now. But, typically Americans or those educated in America who have not traveled elsewhere would write the the date as 6/04/01. I am not sure if the Army, Navy, etc trains people to write Day/Month/Year, but in the US we are taught Month/Day/Year. Has he spent time abroad? If he has, is this why there are minimal records? Or does the US Army train them to write this way? I know military time is different. So if this is just standard protocol let me know! Thanks :)

That is a military thing, day month year. I write dates that way all the time because of my military time and my ex husband's.
 
http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2012/03/israel-keyes-arrested-in-lufkin-texas.html

In the PC by Alaska LE it was said they know WHEN he left AK & arrived in TX..This above, IF accurate, confirms he was already a suspect..So, why then was he allowed to leave AK? I guess not enough evidence until whatever was found in the car.

This is just my personal opinion, but I think the "traffic stop" was because they (meaning LE from TX and AK) had him under surveillance and they wanted to take him away from the house. It happens all of the time.

Just because he was a "suspect" or a "person of interest," until LE had concrete evidence linking him to the crime, he was free to come and go as he wished. I think he was probably questioned by AK authorities before he left AK though. That is just my feeling on the matter.

JMO, MOO, IMO, and all other disclaimers.
 
Which is why I questioned it too. There haven't even been a few weeks IF his neighbours are correct and last saw him early March.

I just can't see how he could do all that travelling and if we are searching his properties we are assuming Samantha was with him without a siting.

Remember Caylee? There were sitings all over America reported - even some after the remains were found.

Can an Alaskan answer this: Are there very many homes left vacant during winter up there?
I was wondering because they want to know people who have dealt with IK's business. He may well have been privy to information like "we want to get this fixed before we head south for the winter" - IK would have a place to hide her and maybe the opportunity to get a key to the house.

I am shooting for the stars here huh?

Personally, I think you are onto something here. She could be in someone's house. Or there could be a lot of unknown somebodies in someone's house that aren't supposed to be there, KWIM?

JMO.

O/T: I see I am all over this thread...LOL I must be feeling better....
 
Does anyone here know how long he was in TX before he was arrested? I am totally befuddled.....Totally.....

I'm with you! So befuddled, I actually thought (at first) that LE raided his house in TX..That his GF owned that house..Even tho I noticed the house shown in the media had SNOW all around it..Oy! I'm normally not this dense..Honest :)
 
I'm with you! So befuddled, I actually thought (at first) that LE raided his house in TX..That his GF owned that house..Even tho I noticed the house shown in the media had SNOW all around it..Oy! I'm normally not this dense..Honest :)

Well, I am dense, LOL, but here I'm totally befuddled...LE did serve a search warrant or warrants in TX right? Not only on the car but on a residence right? Or did I dream that too?
 
Which is why I questioned it too. There haven't even been a few weeks IF his neighbours are correct and last saw him early March.

I just can't see how he could do all that travelling and if we are searching his properties we are assuming Samantha was with him without a siting.

Remember Caylee? There were sitings all over America reported - even some after the remains were found.

Can an Alaskan answer this: Are there very many homes left vacant during winter up there?
I was wondering because they want to know people who have dealt with IK's business. He may well have been privy to information like "we want to get this fixed before we head south for the winter" - IK would have a place to hide her and maybe the opportunity to get a key to the house.

I am shooting for the stars here huh?

No, you totally are NOT shooting for the stars here. This thought has has been present and pervasive in my mind for weeks before he was arrested. Foreclosures, estate sales, fixer-uppers...we have been searching for a new home this winter and have seen PLENTY of totally vacant, and often private homes. One of the places we are currently looking at is an estate sale that actually had the contractor that was fixing it up living in it while he did it. Also, some people ("snowbirds") leave Alaska for the winter... That is why it is SO important that people come forward with info on where he has been working/had access to. I would hope that cell phone records might also assist with this....
 
Can an Alaskan answer this: Are there very many homes left vacant during winter up there?
I was wondering because they want to know people who have dealt with IK's business. He may well have been privy to information like "we want to get this fixed before we head south for the winter" - IK would have a place to hide her and maybe the opportunity to get a key to the house.

I am shooting for the stars here huh?



A lot of ppl that are snow birds in Alaska either rent there house out or have neighbors watch it or some one to(go in make sure the heat is working pipes not froze,have someone go and plow the drive way)...Unless it is a cabin that don't have running water or heat.. then would be no need to be checked on all the time..
 
No, you totally are NOT shooting for the stars here. This thought has has been present and pervasive in my mind for weeks before he was arrested. Foreclosures, estate sales, fixer-uppers...we have been searching for a new home this winter and have seen PLENTY of totally vacant, and often private homes. One of the places we are currently looking at is an estate sale that actually had the contractor that was fixing it up living in it while he did it. Also, some people ("snowbirds") leave Alaska for the winter... That is why it is SO important that people come forward with info on where he has been working/had access to. I would hope that cell phone records might also assist with this....

So here is what I am aiming at:

I believe that there is a reason why Samantha was chosen to be taken. Whether it be someone that she was involved with or a family memeber was or her boyfriend was. I can't stress enough that I don't think who ever is being taught a lesson (if that is the case) did not believe this would happen initially. I would say now they do.
So IK is involved, we know he is involved with the abduction. I still don't think he was actually the one that took Sam from the hut.
So someone was paid (maybe by IK on behalf of someone else) to abduct Samantha. Hiding in Alaska can't be hard. When I was in Anchorage during a winter no one saw my face the entire time I was outside because I was dressing to resemble a bank robber so my nose wouldn't fall off my face.
Samantha was taken to a place in Alaska to be hidden, thinking this would all be cleared up pretty quickly. She could be moved around to several locations without ever being seen.
Police may have gotten word that IK was involved and started watching him, eventually following him to Texas in hope it may lead to more information.
Police have always said, until recently, that they believed Samantha was alive.

The incentive for these people to keep going was always the ever-growing reward.

An Example: One person is owed money for drugs by someone that knows Samantha and cares about her.
He makes a deal with IK to get Samantha and keep her until he is repaid. IK takes the deal thinking it will be a short time and he can go anywhere and say he is fixing up a house (after all he will be returning with money to cover that). IK then organizes for someone to grab her so his hands stay clean at a crime scene. Samantha is then delivered to IK who heads to a more remote place in Alaska.
Reward starts growing. Person owed money originally sees that the father will give everything as a form of reward and believes him. Greed sets in and he can now see the original 10000 he is owed can be over 40, 000 (and growing).
Whoever owed the money originally can't go to the police and say anything because then they are directly linked to drugs and ensured a nice jail sentence if found out.
The police are not involving Sam's loved ones in the investigation because indirectly they are the cause for her disappearance and police want to make sure that they are not directly involved.
IK has enough of the baby sitting of samantha, tells the people he has had enough and she can be found in a certain house then leaves OR they don't pay IK, he is tired of waiting and heads to the border. (The Alcan is so long and so white .... )

... I gotta run for a bit :maddening:

:moo: and all that
That puts Samantha in someone elses hands in an unknown location
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
122
Guests online
4,816
Total visitors
4,938

Forum statistics

Threads
621,717
Messages
18,437,057
Members
239,745
Latest member
effieonline
Back
Top