AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #4

[katydid23]

Excellent recap SmoothOperator. Many thanks.

I know it's frustrating when new posters enter late into a case. Your patience is most admirable.

Personally, I like it when new posters enter late into the thread. It adds more eyes and a new POV, which are usually welcomed.

 

[katydid23]

This is what I understand from following the articles and info as they were released.. I will detail the points as they were stated and if anyone has specific questions about any.. some.. or all of these details we can search out links to back it up..

-So Sam's dad last spoke with Sam 90mins prior to her shift ending at 8 pm.. according to dad nothing seemed out of the ordinary at that time..

-I have not seen any reporting that her boyfriend spoke to Her at any point after that(630 dad talks to her) ..any info saying bf talked to SAM AFTER 630 tomy knowledge is not accurate.. he was held up at work causing him to be a little late arriving at the coffee hut to pick her up and as we know when he arrived Sam was not there.. now I am certain there were calls made to Sam's phone by him.. possibly even by 8 he was attempting to call her to let her know he was running late.. but we knowthat Sam was abducted shortly before 8pm therefore IMO any calls made from anyone after that point on would go unanswered..
but again there is no reporting that the boyfriend spoke with Sam at any point after 630 when her dad last spoke with her..

-From that point it is reported that boyfriend and dad continually attempted to call Sam's phone.. and that continued throughout the night and into the following day.. James says that he called up until 12pm when the phone went straight to voicemail having been shut off or more likely its battery having died.. (I will return to dad and boyfriend and my opinion on their not immediately contacting LE further down)

-Cut to the morning Barista arrives at CGE at 8am to open the coffee hut.. she found the hut locked up as usual but no alarm set.. the hutwas not properly cleaned and there were coffee cups left out on the counter.. along with the cash was also missing.. according to the Duncan's who own the coffee huts none of these things stood out as red flags(moo is that's indicative that the cash amount was very little for their not to be concern over the fact it was missing) ..several hours pass with the morning barista carrying on with business as usual.. around 12pm the Duncan's learn that Sam never came home last night and has not been seen ..IT IS AT THIS POINT THAT THE DUNCAN'S DECIDE TO REVIEW THE PRIOR NIGHTS SURVEILLANCE VIDEO.. JAMES KOENIG AND BOYFRIEND ALSO COME TO THE COFFEE HUT.. LE ARE IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED..

-back to James and boyfriend.. they were part of the effort that led to LE contacted.. when they informed the owners of Sam not being located its at that point that led to the discovery of what was seen on the video.. James and the boyfriend were present at the hut when LE arrived to take report and begin speaking with those they wanted to speak to.. its immediately at this point that James and fam friends were already having flyers quickly made and printed and immediately began taping them up and handing them out..

Why dad and boyfriend didn't immediately call police Wednesday night February 1 .. moo.. but real life with real people with real teenagers who are far from perfect and have even been known to have a history with drugs and being quote wild unquote.. in real life I am certain that it was not the first night ever in Samantha's life they she may have gone off without telling anyone and not answered her phone when called.. as in going off with friends that maybe dad or boyfriend don't like and she chooses just not to answer while out having a good time with those people ..that she'd deal with those consequences later.. this certainly cannot be shocking or hinky to most?? ??.. I know clu has posted about this as well.. IMO its very likely that these two men were thinking Sam had likely pulled one her stunts of going out to party and just refusing to answer her phone.. I believe by that next morning when she never had come home at all and still wasn't answering that their minds really began to worry at that point.. it certainly appears by what James says that by noon when Sam's phone obviously had gone dead and was going straight to voicemail that he at that point made contact with CGE and as we know it is at that point that the owners reviewed the surveillance video.. and the rest is history..

I'm certain James probably wishes that he immediately knew that something nefarious was at play and immediately contacted LE shortly after 8pm when Duane showed up to pick up Sam at CGE and she wasn't there.. I can only imagine the what ifs that go THRU this daddy's mind that if they'd immediately contacted LE could Sam have been somehow saved.. My God what hell those what ifs must be.. but to be honest what James did is not unusual and is not shocking and I personally have no blame for him for that.. its a fact that thousands of teens do what they most likely initially thought Sam had done.. slip off with "friends" to go party.. friends that a dad and boyfriend don't like cause they know they don't have her best interest at heart.. a teen girl avoiding those nagging calls from that dad and boyfriend while partying figuring she'd deal with those consequences later.. its true and its not at all unusual and IMO its exactly this that James and Duane initially felt was the situation with Sam.. jmo tho!

Samantha's boyfriend Dwayne says he spoke with her just minutes before she was abducted and says "everything was fine." He was supposed to give her a ride home from work.

"I had the only means of transportation for her and I got off work and went to go get her, and she wasn't there. It was a mess," says Dwayne.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...for-her-return

 

[GutFeeling!]

Personally, I like it when new posters enter late into the thread. It adds more eyes and a new POV, which are usually welcomed.

I agree and new posters often have read everything on here, just aren't tainted by peoples opinions and haven't had the stress of having to defend a thought LOL

Plus they often ask a question that makes me revisit a story and I see something that makes sense from the past, that didn't at the time or raises more questions.

 

[SmoothOperator]

No.. no.. no. gliving not frustrating.. as I too many times enter a case after its been already in progress and I too am attempting to get a grasp on the facts of the case versus assumptions that have been made along the way(which only naturally occur). That's why I attempt to clarify what's been reported and what is my own personal opinion or logical conclusion that I've drawn..

No frustration at all and am happy to share what little I've learned and gleaned with anyone interested..just as I hope is done for me when I come late to a game

 

[SmoothOperator]

Thanks katydid for posting that.. its greatly appreciated.. last week i went thru jersey*girls entire list of links associated with the case(on page 4) and could not find this stated:crazy:..thanks for learning me that detail..

Moo but all cases can only benefit from more sets of eyes weighing in!

 

[katydid23]

Thanks katydid for posting that.. its greatly appreciated.. last week i went thru jersey*girls entire list of links associated with the case(on page 4) and could not find this stated:crazy:..thanks for learning me that detail..

Moo but all cases can only benefit from more sets of eyes weighing in!

I remembered that detail because it has always really bothered me. Knowing that he had just talked to her moments before the abduction is what makes me wonder why he wasn't more concerned that she wasn't there waiting for him.

Why would he assume that she was out getting high or cheating on him, if 15 minutes earlier she was just fine and waiting for his arrival?

 

[GutFeeling!]

I remembered that detail because it has always really bothered me. Knowing that he had just talked to her moments before the abduction is what makes me wonder why he wasn't more concerned that she wasn't there waiting for him.

Why would he assume that she was out getting high or cheating on him, if 15 minutes earlier she was just fine and waiting for his arrival?

I put it down to young love when I first heard it. He rings and says he is going to be a bit late - they have a little argument (the kind that amounts to nothing), he turns up and she is gone, He may think it is to spite him, still a little angry and leaves, expecting to see her at home.

It was just never clear enough cause no one bothered to ask him the right questions.

The whole beginning of this has bothered me and I am sure it is because of the little things I don't know.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2012/03/israel-keyes-arrested-in-lufkin-texas.html

In the PC by Alaska LE it was said they know WHEN he left AK & arrived in TX..This above, IF accurate, confirms he was already a suspect..So, why then was he allowed to leave AK? I guess not enough evidence until whatever was found in the car.

I am sure most of you noticed..... but Websleuths is mentioned in the above article!

 

[SmoothOperator]

I remembered that detail because it has always really bothered me. Knowing that he had just talked to her moments before the abduction is what makes me wonder why he wasn't more concerned that she wasn't there waiting for him.

Why would he assume that she was out getting high or cheating on him, if 15 minutes earlier she was just fine and waiting for his arrival?

I'm going to be as honest as I can and I absolutely mean no disrespect to anyone at all.. certainly not Sam nor her family, but I believe its only in being brutally honest about people and details of a case can one even begin to attempt to make sense of it much less get to the truth of what happened to the person missing..

So here goes.. within all of the details of the lives of those involved in and around this case I find it all together possible that Samantha was not all that in love with and dedicated to Duane.. this of course is nothing but my opinion but it is what I believe could likely be true and is part of what makes up my answer to katydids above question.. without getting into all kinds of specifics while I do find CB and his mother to be repulsive I however do believe that some of what they have spoken about is true.. I'm not delving into the sexual civil complaint.. not going there.. I do believe that Sam for a period of time was pretty damn close with CB.. even James does admit that Sam was the driver for CB running drugs(supposedly to make some extra cash) ..I believe these two were good friends if not more. I believe that Sam spent quite a bit of time there and I believe that Counts(his mom) was being honest when stating such specifics of Sam's time spent there in their home.. her cleaning off her plate after dinner is not a fabrication.. its a very accurate detail that I believe.. so again I believe that for sometime Sam was tight with CB and spent alot of time at his home during this time.. as we know she was in a relationship with Duane throughout this time.. IMO only lending further credence to my opinion that Sam was not all that devoted to Duane.. I believe dad liked Duane more than anyone and he was very comfortable with Duane being Sam's bf.. I believe that as A dad with Duane living there in the home and IMO looking up to James as a father figure(as his own father was not that great of a dad at all) .. this made it extremely comfortable for James and I believe he very much encouraged this relationship between Sam and Duane.. Sam however IMO was not in love with Duane and IMO likely cared more for him as a friend.. IMO Duane and James both knew this deep down but did not want to outwardly admit it and I believe James thought Sam would grow to love Duane and see that he was the best thing for her.. while I do not agree with a father being this intertwined with his daughters relationships I can however see how he believed he was doing the right thing in attempting to "direct" these twos relationship..

My point with all of this is to say I believe that Sam very much at times resented Duane and her dad for her being "stuck" with Duane.. from all accts Sam adored her dad and didnt want to disappoint him.. I believe this played a huge part in why Sam felt she had to continue this relationship with Duane.. I don't believe she was in love at all and as I said I believe that resentments got heavy at times and IMO it was not unheard of for Sam just to ditch Duane and head off for a night of fun with people she CHOSE to like and hang with and party.. for her not to answer either of their calls and as I said to deal with the consequences later..

That's why I believe they were hesitant initially as they both deep down knew the truth of how Sam truly felt and that she had a time or two before have just ditched Duane and headed out to parts unknown with those unknown and ignore dad and Duane.. but that in the end the good hearted Sam would always come on back home afterwards as so not to disappoint dad most of all IMO.. and then life as they knew it would go on..

Hopefully that delved just enough to help explain why my opinion is that they truly did not believe there was anything nefarious at play INITIALLY.. and that's why LE wasn't contacted until the following day..

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Thanks katydid for posting that.. its greatly appreciated.. last week i went thru jersey*girls entire list of links associated with the case(on page 4) and could not find this stated:crazy:..thanks for learning me that detail..

Moo but all cases can only benefit from more sets of eyes weighing in!

I love the EYES, Smoothie! :seeya:

 

[Deleted member 718]

http://discussions.ktuu.com/20/ktuu...es-to-be-flown-to-ak-for-hearings-20120316/10

Interesting comment at 12:21 PM March 18, 2012

And the plot thickens...

 

[GutFeeling!]

http://discussions.ktuu.com/20/ktuu...es-to-be-flown-to-ak-for-hearings-20120316/10

Interesting comment at 12:21 PM March 18, 2012

And the plot thickens...

Was wondering when they would start to crack ... the stress on them now but be incredible.

 

[katydid23]

http://discussions.ktuu.com/20/ktuu...es-to-be-flown-to-ak-for-hearings-20120316/10

Interesting comment at 12:21 PM March 18, 2012

And the plot thickens...

wow. this is a confusing case.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Just my opinioion of course but if true about Duane the only thing it does for me is further solidify that there was no devotion to Duane.. and that they were not a perfect couple and wouldn't be unheard of for Sam to ditch Duane and go out elsewhere...even more so if true that Duane wasn't faithful either...

As for the case it changes nothing as even the brothers complaint is just that things would have been different if Sam had her truck instead of waiting on Duane to pick her up in her truck..

 

[bdawk20]

http://discussions.ktuu.com/20/ktuu...es-to-be-flown-to-ak-for-hearings-20120316/10

Interesting comment at 12:21 PM March 18, 2012

And the plot thickens...

I'm glad to see something about DT for a change. He has remained largely absent throughout all of this, considering he was supposed to have spoken to Sam shortly before her abduction, and was the first to be aware she was not where she was supposed to be that night. All I have seen were JK's comments that he is "like a son to him", but I wanted to hear from someone else...a friend, another family member, etc....and it looks like I finally got it.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Was wondering when they would start to crack ... the stress on them now but be incredible.

I imagine there are bucket loads of blame being tossed back and forth. We just caught a little snippet of it in his comment.

So sad!

 

[Knox]

I'm glad to see something about DT for a change. He has remained largely absent throughout all of this, considering he was supposed to have spoken to Sam shortly before her abduction, and was the first to be aware she was not where she was supposed to be that night. All I have seen were JK's comments that he is "like a son to him", but I wanted to here from someone else...a friend, another family member, etc....and it looks like I finally got it.

Yes, I thought that whole "young love" spiel from JK was a little odd. He helped them work through their "difficulties". To me, it sounded as if he liked DT a lot. Perhaps more than Sam, but who knows ...

As far as the comment from TC. I think it's a normal human reaction to want to place blame when something happens to someone you love. At this point, we don't know if it would have made a difference whether she had her vehicle that night or not. He's right about the media, but in all fairness it seems like this side of the family has been pretty quiet. Maybe they need to reach out to a few reporters.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, I thought that whole "young love" spiel from JK was a little odd. He helped them work through their "difficulties". To me, it sounded as if he liked DT a lot. Perhaps more than Sam, but who knows ...

As far as the comment from TC. I think it's a normal human reaction to want to place blame when something happens to someone you love. At this point, we don't know if it would have made a difference whether she had her vehicle that night or not. He's right about the media, but in all fairness it seems like this side of the family has been pretty quiet. Maybe they need to reach out to a few reporters.

I don't think having her vehicle would have helped her at all. If someone with a weapon had his sights on her, then she would never have made it to her truck. Obviously, the BEST thing would have been that her bf was there early, and waiting there with her. That might have saved her, imo. But how could he have known? [ At least I don't think he did]

 

[boaps]

Just my opinioion of course but if true about Duane the only thing it does for me is further solidify that there was no devotion to Duane.. and that they were not a perfect couple and wouldn't be unheard of for Sam to ditch Duane and go out elsewhere...even more so if true that Duane wasn't faithful either...

As for the case it changes nothing as even the brothers complaint is just that things would have been different if Sam had her truck instead of waiting on Duane to pick her up in her truck..

If true it could also explain his reaction upon arriving late to find her gone - if his being late was actually the cause of arguments.

 

[isamom]

Not sure where I stand on Chelsea Hoffman. She seems to "tell it like it is" in not such a politically correct way. IMO there's not much difference between her site vs any other blog or forum with various people expressing their opinions, especially compared to people that obviously insert themselves & post whatever they feel simply bc they heard one side of a story & decide to take sides right away. Not sure about main stream media being mentioned bc Chelsea Hoffman's blog might not be msm BUT the Huffington Post definitely is, and Chelsea Hoffman officially writes for them now.

Sure, she may have a lashing tongue but it's nothing I haven't seen before from others on the net, even here. The difference is that Websleuths is respectful and run most of the time with class. However, even here, ya still run across those same types of posts sometimes. It happens.

I like to stay open & look at all perspectives... My only exception is in the JBR case - I absolutely despise the Ramseys & 100% honestly believe they're totally unequivocally involved in JBR's death & coverup.

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There is a majority of people who have never even heard of her before. Until of course this. I honestly do not care who she writes for she is not "News" and has no idea on what she is talking about aside from the interview with TC and CB.
She was upset because JK refused to do an interview with her and therefor it made her mad. Why did he have to do an interview with her? As far as most are concerned and him she is nothing more then a blogger trying to get attention. It is fine if you want to blog your opinion. But to write an article that is basically slandering SK, and talking poorly about her is uncalled for. Have some common sense or at least a heart.
And it basically back fired on her because she got shut down, most everyone figured out what she was doing and how she was writing her articles leaving out the right information and not being truthful either.
Again this is my opinion but honestly I cringe when I hear her name. But that subject is over with now. It was handled. Most everyone now knows her choice of judgement and her type of writing, and if people didnt know who she was before they do now and it is not in the best light.