Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, prisoner, & Vicky Sue White, CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22 *Reward* #3

[whitelilac]

I don't think Las Vegas itself is very likely as a hiding spot, but I could envision them hiding out in a less urban tourist place like Laughlin or Lake Havasu City, especially if they can find a long-term motel or RV park that will accept cash-only payments. I don't know the southeastern US very well, but I'm guessing there are similar towns in Florida where they would blend in.

The Mojave desert area. A favored place for miscreants, desperadoes and offenders who want to live off the grid. It's a huge area, and quite lawless....good place to disappear. But you have to be able to tolerate the heat.
It also has the reputation of being a body dump.
The McStays were found there by fluke 4 years after vanishing.

But I think they are probably hiding out in a place that's more familiar to them, environment wise.

 

[zecats]

Just for some perspective I guess…

I was thinking about the Matt and Sweat breakout and their female accomplice. These guys thought they had it in the bag, but their outside female helper chickened out at the last minute. Then they had to go it alone. They had no transportation, no money, no help. Three weeks later Matt was dead and Sweat was captured. They didn’t get terribly far and LE were all over it. I also believe that their accomplice broke down and told all.

Fast forward to now and we have a very different scenario.

VW actually has the ability to plan, problem solve, has money, transportation and appears, at least for now, to go all the way with this. She’s all in apparently.

Big difference in the two scenarios.

No matter what, whenever this ends, it will not end well for either of them.

If Casey can chill and let Vicky help him, I can see them staying off the radar for quite some time. However, with no meds for Casey, his propensity for meth, and his impulsive violent behaviour, Vicky hasn’t got a hope in Hell in getting out alive. Casey will implode at some point. It’s inevitable, and that’s when he’ll come up for air and get caught.

I truly wonder what she thought her life would be like with this guy. I am blown away that she could throw her entire life away on this loser.

MOO

I think about this sometimes, putting myself in her place right now. Love can certainly blind many for stretches of "forever" time. But when I imagine being her, the hair on my neck stands up when thinking about falling asleep next to him, and especially waking up next to him. In the cruel light of some morning one day, she will look at the situation and ask herself, "What the h*ll was I thinking." May she be able to safely extricate herself from this mess when that moment comes and get him sent back to prison.

 

[DocMeadows]

The Mojave desert area. A favored place for miscreants, desperadoes and offenders who want to live off the grid. It's a huge area, and quite lawless....good place to disappear. But you have to be able to tolerate the heat.
It also has the reputation of being a body dump.
The McStays were found there by fluke 4 years after vanishing.

But I think they are probably hiding out in a place that's more familiar to them, environment wise.

I don’t know much about this area. Would you say they would be at risk of being robbed there, given how much money they’re alleged to be potentially carrying?

 

[SMK777]

Well the Honeymoon Phase has to end at some point. Perhaps it already has.

Especially if they’re having a bad time. What are they doing for sleeping, showering, groceries, eating? Bad enough to be on the road like Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie were— but to be fugitives from justice sounds horrible.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

The car - which contained contained Whites' jail radio, handcuffs and keys - was towed later that day, with sheriffs seemingly unaware of the vehicle's connection to then burgeoning manhunt."

I believe police theory that they did not intend to switch cars 100 miles from the jail. That's an hour or two from the jail. They left his handcuffs and keys in the car.

RSBM

We have seen conflicting media reports regarding which abandoned vehicle (police cruiser vs SUV) contained the cuffs, radio and keys.

But I believe the article you quoted here is incorrect -- those items were left in the police cruiser, not in the SUV.

Even though some news reports have said otherwise.

Two reasons I think this:

1. Sheriff specifically addressed the confusion and said straight out, "the SUV was found empty".

2. The first reports about those items being found, were reported BEFORE the suv was even connected to this case.

MOO

 

[Rocky Mountain Hi]

Does anyone think there could be someone else on the inside who helped grease the wheels for CW to get moved from prison to the jail again? I understand the confession and the laptop lawyer story but I’m not sure it passes the smell test. Then again, it could just be lax procedures.

I think it's not only possible, it's likely that some of the staff were intimidated by Vicky, so if there were any irregularities, they wouldn't follow procedure to contravene her. Remember, that one former colleague of hers said she had a dark side, and also that no one was surprised by what she did. That says a lot. And on one of the earlier mega-threads on this topic, a former prison employee said, that in general, lower flunkies aren't going to report on a higher-up, especially if it's the second in command, like she was. They would go along to get along. It's a weakness in the system, I think the poster's point was.

There are all manner of nit-picky rules in place to prevent exactly this type of eventuality, but you're dealing with a human element in the staff, and some humans will cave to higher authority; they'll feel intimidated. Or may worry about losing their job if they displease a highter-up, and don't look the other way when something irregular happens.

 

[DocMeadows]

RSBM

We have seen conflicting media reports regarding which abandoned vehicle (police cruiser vs SUV) contained the cuffs, radio and keys.

But I believe the article you quoted here is incorrect -- those items were left in the police cruiser, not in the SUV.

Even though some news reports have said otherwise.

Two reasons I think this:

1. Sheriff specifically addressed the confusion and said straight out, "the SUV was found empty".

2. The first reports about those items being found, were reported BEFORE the suv was even connected to this case.

MOO

That’s good logic. I’m with you.

 

[WingsOverTX]

She says here she will go pick up Vicky

Mother of Vicky wants to pick her up

I'm sad for her mother. Terrible for family to have to worry about her safety. To go from supper with her daughter to this has got to be devastating.

MOO

 

[whitelilac]

I don’t know much about this area. Would you say they would be at risk of being robbed there, given how much money they’re alleged to be potentially carrying?

If they are careful not to advertise the fact, and if they come across as off the grid folks with something to hide. Not necessarily as a dangerous fugitive, but as people who want to be left alone away from the law and civilization. They could make up some story about being wanted for robberies or back taxes or reneging on child support or some such, if they are approached about their background.

There are areas you don't want to frequent or explore if you present yourself as a tourist.

 

[passionflower]

Convicts and murderers are known to be con men. Tell you anything to con you. I would think guards would be trained to know this. He doesn’t love her. He talked her into selling her home, get money, cars, give up everything to get him out. She’s been duped. Well it will turn out bad for her after he’s done using her. Let’s hope she gets out of this alive. Prison is better than abuse or murdered I would think.

 

[Rocky Mountain Hi]

The Mojave desert area. A favored place for miscreants, desperadoes and offenders who want to live off the grid. It's a huge area, and quite lawless....good place to disappear. But you have to be able to tolerate the heat.
It also has the reputation of being a body dump.
The McStays were found there by fluke 4 years after vanishing.

But I think they are probably hiding out in a place that's more familiar to them, environment wise.

The Mojave Desert. It's not exactly scenic, and you can die out there, if you don't know what you're doing. Someone was saying, that he's an outdoorsman, a hunter, potentially a live-off-the-land kind of guy. I think the theories suggesting they might go to the woods somewhere make more sense, than the desert.

 

[Colorado303]

This is what they should do. However, at some point they will run out of supplies, assuming VW stocked up before breaking them out, which I think is a fair assumption. At some point, they will need food, toilet paper, toothpaste, etc. That's when they will be vulnerable. IMHO.

Two words: Amazon Prime.

 

[branmuffin]

Maybe my naïvete is showing, but if once his meds are gone, he uses meth, that's not something you can get from Walmart or Instacart.

It requires involving other people -- either CW's pre-existing buddies who then become accessories, or strangers who may have been watching the news. Risky for them, IMO.

It's weird, too, because his lawyer says when he's medicated he's not a bad guy but he resorts to meth when on the outside. So he's saying that his actions while he is a free man is because his psychiatric condition deteriorates and he acts out violently. His status while incarcerated in state prison was 'closed' meaning he was basically in solitary. But he was getting his meds in prison so his behavior must have changed to make him more passive but he was still being treated like a dangerous animal. For them to be giving him meds he must have some diagnosis. Would that be public knowledge? There are so many psychiatric conditions that cause violent behavior: Bipolar disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, Intermittant Explosive Disorder, Autism, etc. etc. etc. Does he have a diagnosis or do they just sedate him while in prison.

I knew a guy who had schizophrenia. He finally committed suicide, but I swear, I have never known such a tortured soul. He was brilliant and he knew he needed his meds but his disorder had more control over him than his reason. Like most people suffering from schizophrenia he was mostly a danger to himself. But I can't imagine life circumstances, like no health care, lack of funds, lack of a robust support system, etc that could have meant the only time he got medical help was if he was in prison.

I remember reading an article once about some famous actor who always played the macho roles; where he was always the last man standing. He said he couldn't tell you how many times he'd be in a bar and some drunk would come up to him and say something like "so you think you're a badass, huh?" and try and start a fight with him. With Casey White being a lumbering giant but now a more sedate one, I wonder if his life in prison was just one confrontation after another and all his tats had more to do with self preservation than an overt belief in the principle portrayed.

He's done some very bad things and this is probably not going to end well for either of them but I wonder how much of his behavior could have been tempered by hands on medical intervention when it was needed.

 

[whitelilac]

The Mojave Desert. It's not exactly scenic, and you can die out there, if you don't know what you're doing. Someone was saying, that he's an outdoorsman, a hunter, potentially a live-off-the-land kind of guy. I think the theories suggesting they might go to the woods somewhere make more sense, than the desert.

I agree. They will be in an environment that feels safe for them, familiar, and with the wherewithal of how to manage in such an environment. The desert would be too foreign....and dangerous survival-wise.
I mentioned the Mojave when Las Vegas, and rural Nevada was brought up.

 

[passionflower]

She dreams of beaches and he likes wilderness? He is a loner with mental and drug problems. She’s pretty straight so it sounds like oil and water JMOO. Explosive fire will start soon.

 

[Rocky Mountain Hi]

Convicts and murderers are known to be con men. Tell you anything to con you. I would think guards would be trained to know this. He doesn’t love her. He talked her into selling her home, get money, cars, give up everything to get him out. She’s been duped. Well it will turn out bad for her after he’s done using her. Let’s hope she gets out of this alive. Prison is better than abuse or murdered I would think.

I'm glad someone finally said this! I was looking for the post, where another woman, former prison guard who helped a guy escape, was interviewed, but I couldn't find it to go back and quote it. But in the interview she said (per my best memory), "All it takes is just one moment when a guard shows a small kindness, and from there things take off".

Really? It's that easy?! You KNOW you're guarding people with a motive to butter you up, some who are lifelong con artists, PROFESSIONAL con artists, yet you fall for their gestures? I can't get my mind around that. If prisons don't provide training in this regard, they should. And maybe bring in a psychologist to talk about it, too. In that interview, she made it sound so humdrum and ordinary. I wonder how prison management feel, watching a statement like that.

 

[BeckyF]

Uh...I hope they've looked in that trunk.

Umm Well. Why wouldn’t they have looked in it?

 

[trujac]

A criminal profiler would go crazy with this information. Maybe VW felt like she had to be the good girl her whole life? Like to stand by her ex even when he had a drug problem and even when he was dying? And then after he died, having no one to support and rescue left a void. So she turned to CW?!!!!

yes, the "support and rescue" theme might have been underlining her entire life with a lot of heartache and feelings of having missed out on adventure and great times with the right person. She flew the coop in a radical way grabbing an available and dangerous prisoner to spend her final days with...what a way to fill a "void"--driving full blast into mayhem and thrilling danger...and then having multiple news outlets and discussion forums focusing on the drama of your life and grand escape speculating what will now happen to you--the attention must have been something she needed desperately.

 

[whitelilac]

She dreams of beaches and he likes wilderness? He is a loner with mental and drug problems. She’s pretty straight so it sounds like oil and water JMOO. Explosive fire will start soon.

If they make it to Costa Rica they'd have both. But regardless, he is dangerously unstable anyway. Explosives are a given imo.

 

[DocMeadows]

Umm Well. Why wouldn’t they have looked in it?

Haha. I think it just doesn’t seem like the case screams of competence at points.