Found Safe AL - Christiana Hagler, 1 Month, Mobile, 16 June 2018

[SugarQueen]

So in a nutshell she got nabbed by security, handed baby off to the “ not a stranger”. He panicked due possibly to his record. Sounds like he was taking care of the baby and she just didn’t know where to reach him. I’m guessing she needed a cover story to explain where the car and baby went.

ETA: I was typing while you posted Steels. Looks like we’re on the same page.

 

[Steelslady]

JOHN ALEXANDER BETANCOURT Inmate 00233125: Alabama Prisoner

So he normally has strawberry blonde hair, to which some people consider a light shade of red. How would she know that if he was a stranger- he's bald now, right?

 

[PhoneJockey]

Well, his arrest record shows he is not on parole, but freshly out of jail/prison on drug charges. He was in jail for about a week shy of a year....

 

[PhoneJockey]

So he normally has strawberry blonde hair, to which some people consider a light shade of red. How would she know that if he was a stranger- he's bald now, right?

Yep, and has been for quite some time if you go through his FB. His shaved head wasn't a newly acquired look.

 

[Steelslady]

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Funny thing about it- he seems to adore the baby, doesn't he?

 

[2Hope4]

Yeah, she obviously knew him. I think he took the baby to safety because he knew she was shoplifting and figured she was going to jail. He wasn't charged with kidnapping. The police said in that interview, that he wasn't charged because the Mom gave him the baby, therefore he didn't kidnap her.

Oh what twisted web we weave when we practice to deceive. *I might not have that saying right, but sounded good to me. *

 

[Steelslady]

Yeah, she obviously knew him. I think he took the baby to safety because he knew she was shoplifting and figured she was going to jail. He wasn't charged with kidnapping. The police said in that interview, that he wasn't charged because the Mom gave him the baby, therefore he didn't kidnap her.

Oh what twisted web we weave when we practice to deceive. *I might not have that saying right, but sounded good to me. *

Agree- not sure why she didn't wait and catch up with him, or why he didn't go back to his apartment with the baby and wait for her to call? I don't assume that everyone has a cell phone, many do not. I just don't understand why she didn't call a friend for a ride back to her place, providing that she trusted him to be fine with the baby.

 

[PhoneJockey]

Aha, so part of the story is coming out- she was in trouble with store security for shop lifting. Now, had they arrested her (some stores do have you taken out in handcuffs and prosecute), just what would she have done with her baby, had she been alone?


Also, what is up with the custody dispute?

IDK if you're asking rhetorically or not, but I've worked TONS of retail in the Kansas City MO area. Usually when they arrest someone for shoplifting, they will contact a family member to come get any children with the arrested parent - unless there is a reason to call CPS, they try not to. Also, in my experience, babies in carseats are good stash spots for shoplifters - maybe the stolen goods were with baby in the carseat and thats why homeboy skedaddled out of there so quickly?

 

[Amonet]

Aha, so part of the story is coming out- she was in trouble with store security for shop lifting. Now, had they arrested her (some stores do have you taken out in handcuffs and prosecute), just what would she have done with her baby, had she been alone?

Did this man leave with the baby to keep himself and the child out of trouble- in other words, maybe he wasn't shoplifting, but was trying to avoid getting into trouble with the cops (perhaps he's on parole?)? I'm curious as to whether or not this man really was a stranger to her.

Also, what is up with the custody dispute?

One of his FB accounts says he only got out of prison on 23 May this year. So I was also wondering if he drove off due to not wanting to be around if LE turned up over her possible shoplifting.

He can't be a total stranger to the mom if he has a picture of himself holding baby C on the other FB account he has (dated 10 June)

Alex Betancourt

Alex Betancourt

 

[Steelslady]

IDK if you're asking rhetorically or not, but I've worked TONS of retail in the Kansas City MO area. Usually when they arrest someone for shoplifting, they will contact a family member to come get any children with the arrested parent - unless there is a reason to call CPS, they try not to. Also, in my experience, babies in carseats are good stash spots for shoplifters - maybe the stolen goods were with baby in the carseat and thats why homeboy skedaddled out of there so quickly?

Very true. They do let the mom or dad make a call to have someone pick up the child or children, but I have also witnessed police bringing children with them in the police car because they couldn't get a hold of someone. I just don't get why she make up some cockameemee story about the baby being kidnapped by a stranger she picked up- especially if she was let go by the store! How stupid, and just what did she expect was going to happen once they found the guy with the baby?

The custody dispute part has me perplexed.

 

[Steelslady]

One of his FB accounts says he only got out of prison on 23 May this year. So I was also wondering if he drove off due to not wanting to be around if LE turned up over her possible shoplifting.

He can't be a total stranger to the mom if he has a picture of himself holding baby C on the other FB account he has (dated 10 June)

Alex Betancourt

Alex Betancourt

So if he was in jail for almost a year, then this child isn't his I assume? The baby is only 7 weeks old.

 

[creepcrusher]

I have a hunch that he is the bio dad.

 

[PhoneJockey]

So if he was in jail for almost a year, then this child isn't his I assume? The baby is only 7 weeks old.

Yeah, the timeline seems SUPER slim for him to possibly be biodad - but hey some guys are more easily convinced than others. I guess it's possible she could have went way overdue with the baby, but who knows at this point. I hope he took good care of this sweet baby girl while he had her and that mom gets some type of charge for lying to the police and obstructing justice.

 

[Amonet]

So if he was in jail for almost a year, then this child isn't his I assume? The baby is only 7 weeks old.

I found it hard to work out exactly how long he was inside. He said 15 months, but he was posting on his FB late last May, and I think that would be a month too early to put him in the running for bio dad. But he might not know that?

 

[creepcrusher]

I found it hard to work out exactly how long he was inside. He said 15 months, but he was posting on his FB late last May, and I think that would be a month too early to put him in the running for bio dad. But he might not know that?

Do we know the date he went in?

 

[PhoneJockey]

Do we know the date he went in?

Per this inmate record, he was in jail from 4/13/17 and was incarcerated for 11 months and 22 days.
JOHN ALEXANDER BETANCOURT Inmate 00233125: Alabama Prisoner

It also says "Min Release Date" as 5/22/2018 - but obviously that's longer than 11m22d - so I think that was his latest possible release date, but then he had 51 days of credit added....which means he was in jail for 51 days before being tried/sentenced.

 

[Amonet]

IDK if you're asking rhetorically or not, but I've worked TONS of retail in the Kansas City MO area. Usually when they arrest someone for shoplifting, they will contact a family member to come get any children with the arrested parent - unless there is a reason to call CPS, they try not to. Also, in my experience, babies in carseats are good stash spots for shoplifters - maybe the stolen goods were with baby in the carseat and thats why homeboy skedaddled out of there so quickly?

Also, if the baby was in a stroller in the store, maybe she put something in the stroller and wanted him to get out with that? But wouldn't the alarms have gone off if something with a store tag went through the doors?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Yeah, she obviously knew him. I think he took the baby to safety because he knew she was shoplifting and figured she was going to jail. He wasn't charged with kidnapping. The police said in that interview, that he wasn't charged because the Mom gave him the baby, therefore he didn't kidnap her.

Oh what twisted web we weave when we practice to deceive. *I might not have that saying right, but sounded good to me. *

Quote by Walter Scott: “Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we...”
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[Gardener1850]

RSBM

The custody dispute part has me perplexed.

What custody dispute do you mean Steels?

ETA: If you are talking about his charge of "interference with custody" anyone can be charged with that just by taking a child somewhere without permission/knowledge of the legal parent/guardian. It doesn't mean there was any dispute of who has legal custody of the baby.

» Alabama Code 13A-6-45. Interference with custodyLawServer

 

[PhoneJockey]

Also, if the baby was in a stroller in the store, maybe she put something in the stroller and wanted him to get out with that? But wouldn't the alarms have gone off if something with a store tag went through the doors?

Yes, but not everything has anti-theft tags and there are experienced shoplifters who know how to get around them. I worked at a store where someone actually stole the dang machine that took the anti-theft tags off.