Identified! AL - Huntsville, Female 148UFAL, 15-19, Oct'97 - Cynthia Davis

[MrsG728]

:angel: Ok I hope this works. You all have taught me so much about this... I certainly hope I've gotten all of my i's dotted and t's crossed so I will finally call this in.

When I first looked at this doe, the "reconstruction photo" they have looks nothing like this, and I almost assumed it was dead wrong. My gut instinct told me to go further, and one of my awesome students who does photoshop superimposed a layer that convinced me to post this.

Look at the hair/forehead line, the cheekbones, and the width of the nose at the eyes... it lines up so well.

Thanks for all of your help- let's see how this goes. I am going to call PA now. Just hope my sleuthing skills are good enough to find their PHONE number. :bang:

MG

 

[MrsG728]

I just spoke to Waynesboro Pa police Dept. and they are putting me in touch with the detective on the case, detective King.

Alabama said they need to get back to me, and I emailed doenetwork. Guys, my heart is in my throat right now! eek!

MG

 

[Utopia]

I just spoke to Waynesboro Pa police Dept. and they are putting me in touch with the detective on the case, detective King.

Alabama said they need to get back to me, and I emailed doenetwork. Guys, my heart is in my throat right now! eek!

MG

Hi Mrs. G,

Did you intend to attach the superimposed photo that your student made in your previous message? If you did, it didn't work. It would be interesting to see it.

Thanks and good luck with LE.

 

[MrsG728]

Hi Utopia
No actually, the thought never even crossed my mind to even ask her for it! She did it for me at school in the computer lab... why didn't I think to ask her to email me the image? :doh:

Sorry guys- when vacation is over I'll send it on

MG

 

[Utopia]

No worries Mrs. G, it was just that when you started the message with "okay, I hope this works" and then talked about the picture, I was thinking that's what you were referring to.

Utopia

Hi Utopia
No actually, the thought never even crossed my mind to even ask her for it! She did it for me at school in the computer lab... why didn't I think to ask her to email me the image? :doh:

Sorry guys- when vacation is over I'll send it on

MG

 

[MrsG728]

I have submitted everything to detective King and the detectives in the sheriff's office in Alabama. Now, we just wait.
Here is my letter

***Hello Detective King
My name is MG, and I'm a teacher from Long Island NY. I am a registered member of the websites http://www.doenetwork.org and http://www.websleuths.com

Most of us at websleuths.com make communities on the internet aware of missing persons and offer support and media attention to cases for families of missing persons. We also use it as a forum to comment on cases in the media. We often try to match unidentified victims off of the doe network with missing persons ads based on family requests or just our own good will to help these families.

I came across this Princess Doe information at the doenetwork.org and I thought you may be interested in looking at it. I believe it may be Angie Daley, missing from Waynesboro Pa in 1995.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/148ufal.html

The clay recreations as well as the sketch seem to fit some of the facial/cranial features in Angie Daley's missing person's poster. (I don't think the composite doe photo looks like her, but again it's an estimate) We have some people that have done a photo overlay using photoshop, and the hairline/forhead/nose/eye spacing seem to match.
Some of the other volunteers on the site seem to think there is enough evidence with a chipped front tooth, approximate date of find/death of the skeletal remains, and timeline to do a DNA test.

Please let me know if you think this is a lead- I'd love to keep everyone posted. I hope I haven't interrupted any current investigation and I am praying this case is resolved soon.***


hey also interesting: Detective said that they were following a lead on Angie out of Illinois.

 

[FLMom]

It looks like you may have found a match---great work!

I looked up Angie's page at the Charley Project:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/daley_angie.html

When I saw that she was missing from PA, but the possible remains were found in AL, I wondered how she got that far. That's why I love the CharleyProject pages--always a little more detail. She possibly left with a trucker.

Congrats on your sleuthing!

 

[MrsG728]

Thanks so much for that link! Wow, they even looked for her in Europe? sheesh... these guys are good

MG

 

[SadieMae]

MrsG...a lead from Illinois meaning a sighting or UID?

 

[MrsG728]

IUD with DNA awaiting results. Do you think maybe I shouldn't say this online? oi I am soooo new at this. :blushing:

MG

 

[T-Rex]

Wow--that's pretty good!

 

[MrsG728]

Moderators- maybe time to lock this post to prevent false hopes? idk procedure, bear with me.

I just received an email letter from Rocky Wells at the Doe Network. Basically, it outlines some of the proper procedures for filing a possible match and for contacting them first, then LE. According to doenetwork, it may actually hinder a real investigation if we don't go through them first. I'd HATE to be the one to waste LE's time on something that has either already been investigated, or is dead dead wrong.

According to doenetwork.org, the princess doe here is NOT Angie Daley. This lead had already been explored, and according to them, it is not her.

I hope this didn't alarm or cause anyone in her family to jump to conclusions or have false hope. I want to thank all of you here on WS who helped me double-check my info and put this together. In the meantime, back to the drawing board for me.

MG

 

[Salem]

MrsG728: You did an excellent job! Look at the shirt she is wearing in the picture.

"She may have been wearing a white with blue broad stripes casual, sleeveless top, size unknown, which was found near the skeletal remains outside of the plastic sheeting"

I think they should take another look at this. Anyway....I'm glad you also posted about the doenetwork rules. I had no idea (I'm new here also and do more reading then sluething)....

Salem

 

[Kymistry35]

MrsG, I am sure that you did not give anyone false hope or hinder the investigation, I think you are to be commended for your efforts! Maybe they want everyone to go through them so they can claim credit like they did for Ada?

 

[richandfamous]

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M7/5/20022:38:19PM'

Name: Monique Santiago
AKA: Pebbles, Monique Castro, Monique Graniella
Case Number: M9101005
Case Type: Endangered - Foul Play Possible
Last Seen in: Albany (Albany County)
Last Seen on: 3/29/1990
Height: 4' 11"
Weight: 90 lbs.
Age Missing: 11
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Black
Date of Birth: 9/11/1978
Race: White
Sex: Female
State Missing From: New York
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Monique was last seen at home and spoke with her mother by telephone and infromed her mother she missed the school bus and would stay home. She has a birthmark on the back of her right leg and has gaps between her teeth.

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Is this a match?
http://www.iaca.net/ViCAP/ViCAP_Jane Doe _Alabama.pdf
http://doenetwork.org/cases/148ufal.html

age progressed:

Unidentified White Female

Located on October 16, 1997 in Huntsville, Madison County, Alabama
The victim is believed to have been deceased for a period of up to 1 - 1 1/2 years before discovery.
Skeletal Remains
Cause of Death: Homicide


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Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 15 - 19 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 4'10"- 5'1" (147-155 cm)
Distinguishing Characteristics: Shoulder length dark blond or light brown hair with a possible reddish tint. Her eye color and weight couldn't be determined.
Dentals: Up until 1-1 and 1/2 years before her death she had excelent dental care. Her right front tooth was chipped after her remains were recovered. Dental records are available.
Clothing: She may have been wearing a white with blue broad stripes casual, sleeveless top, size unknown, which was found near the skeletal remains outside of the plastic sheeting. No jewelry was recovered.
DNA: Available


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Case History
On October 16, 1997, a hunter discovered the skeletal remains of this unidentified child in a remote wooded area of Madison County, Alabama, near Indian Creek Road, South of Kelly Spring Road.
The body was wrapped in plastic sheeting commonly used in construction. The plastic was secured with gray duct tape.
Investigators believe that sometime in late 1996, the nude body of the teenaged girl was dumped in Madison County's Indian Creek. The body drifted down the creek, and washed onto the bank. It was found by a hunter.



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Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Madison County Sheriff's Department
Criminal Investigations Squad
Sergeant Charles Berry
(256) 532-3713
E-Mail
or
The Violent Criminal Apprehension Program (VICAP) Unit
Crime Analyst Glen W. Wildey, Jr.,
703-632-4166
E-Mail

NCMEC #: NCMU400002

NCIC Number: U-071281620
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

 

[Pandora]

WOW! I was going to say no due to the age difference, but the pictures are uncannily similar!!! If the reconstruction was done right, I'd say this is a match!

 

[KatK]

I'd sure pass the tip along, that's certain! Wow, nice catch!

 

[richandfamous]

thx, I was just looking over all the missing girls in tx for the princess blue case and it hit me that I had seen that face before! If I'm doing the math right the age would be the same, the only thing is she would have been kept alive for several years between missing and the death of the uid (if the TOD is correct).
I'm going to do a photo overlay tonight at work, will post what I find.

 

[richandfamous]

I just sent Sgt Berry and Glen Wildey an email with all pics and case numbers.
I will post any response.

eta: Joseph Iwaniec NYPD was also emailed however, he is on vacation for 2 wks.
http://www.apdonline.org/police/index.htm

 

[LionRun]

I just sent Sgt Berry and Glen Wildey an email with all pics and case numbers.
I will post any response.

You go you wonderful, scandalous one you! The only issue, which may fit in some way that we are not aware of is that of the dentals. Everything else looks like a possible match. If young Monique is no longer living, I sure do hope this is a match.(fingers crossed icon). We need a smilie for this, perhaps.

Excellent work rich!

Lion