GUILTY AL - Kamden Johnson, 5, dies in hot day care van, Mobile, 21 Aug 2017 *Arrest*

[cvaldez1975]

this needs to change. churches are for good intent but are ran by humans who are fallible.

UPDATE: Child found dead in Mobile attended unlicensed daycare

"Community Daycare is an nonlicensed daycare. Alabama is one of only seven states in the country that does not require all daycares to be licensed."
" Daycares in Alabama can claim religious exemption status and avoid background checks for workers and facility inspections."

http://weartv.com/news/local/update-daycare-worker-arrested-for-mobile-childs-death

 

[neesaki]

The woman turned herself in, was arrested. Then charges upgraded to manslaughter. My question is if it was a hot car death why doesn't she just fess up about it. Could she have drugged the child and then left him in the van? But why, so she could go shopping at Walmart on her way back from the second van run? Idk, it's just strange.

 

[FlossyMay]

Little Cooper Harris suffered terribly in that hot car. The details have scarred me quite frankly and I don't want to drag them back up, but it was evident from self-inflicted marks on his body that he had been in torment. If Kamden has no physical trauma, then maybe he was sleeping like someone suggested and passed away without ever waking. This may be where the tox screen comes in...to see if there was some reason he would sleep through something like that. Sorry if that sounds crazy. It just popped into my head.

 

[Gardener1850]

I'm behind on reading the thread, is everyone just guessing this is a hot car death because there was no trauma to his body?

ETA: Sadly, there are many other non-trauma inducing ways a child can die.... :scared:

 

[FlossyMay]

I just keep looking for a way that this could be an accident. That's why I keep going back to heat related death. I guess because she went to the police on her own accord it makes me think she didn't set out to kill Kamden. Plus she looks remorseful in her mugshot. (Thankfully...I really hate the ones where the perp has the smarta$$ "I don't even care" look on their faces. ) I don't know. Maybe I'm being naive here.

 

[neesaki]

I'm behind on reading the thread, is everyone just guessing this is a hot car death because there was no trauma to his body?

ETA: Sadly, there are many other non-trauma inducing ways a child can die.... :scared:

I think that's the case. What are you thinking? TIA

 

[thekarmabus]

It's hard to believe that in the middle of the day she drove the van with the name on it and then rolled him
Out. It was a very populated area. She panicked .. criminal record and in AL they have a point system . If it were a tragic accident she knew chances were she was headed back to jail. She tried to cover to save her own a**. Never thinking about this sweet boys family.[emoji35]


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[Jax49]

[h=3]Mother of 5-year-old Kamden Johnson files lawsuit in his death[/h]
http://www.fox10tv.com/story/36202772/mother-of-5-year-old-kamden-johnson-files-lawsuit-in-his-death

-A lawsuit has been filed in Mobile County on behalf of 5-year-old Kamden Johnson who was found dead on Demetropolis Road on Monday, Aug. 21.
The lawsuit filed by Kamden’s mother, Jasmyn Williams Johnson, alleges “negligence and wantonness" against Community Church Ministries, Inc. and its related entities, day care owners Carl and Angela Coker, as well as the director of the preschool academy, Kenya Anderson,”

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

[h=3]Mother of 5-year-old Kamden Johnson files lawsuit in his death[/h]
http://www.fox10tv.com/story/36202772/mother-of-5-year-old-kamden-johnson-files-lawsuit-in-his-death

goodness, she must have had lawyers beating down her doors to get this filed so quickly. I hope she has the comfort and space to grieve.

 

[blue22]

I just keep looking for a way that this could be an accident. That's why I keep going back to heat related death. I guess because she went to the police on her own accord it makes me think she didn't set out to kill Kamden. Plus she looks remorseful in her mugshot. (Thankfully...I really hate the ones where the perp has the smarta$$ "I don't even care" look on their faces. ) I don't know. Maybe I'm being naive here.

LE said she was only somewhat cooperative. (IMO, she knew she was going down and tried to get in front of it. She was not there to clear her conscious, but to try and make the consequences softer. To have her story be the narrative. JMO) Now the charges were raised to manslaughter. I have a feeling it was not a case of absentmindedly forgetting him. I think there was some purposeful neglect and/or criminal behavior there.

 

[TTF14]

I just keep looking for a way that this could be an accident. That's why I keep going back to heat related death. I guess because she went to the police on her own accord it makes me think she didn't set out to kill Kamden. Plus she looks remorseful in her mugshot. (Thankfully...I really hate the ones where the perp has the smarta$$ "I don't even care" look on their faces. ) I don't know. Maybe I'm being naive here.

I also do not think she set out that day to kill a child. I think she either left him in the van by accident (i.e. he fell asleep) in the trip from daycare 1 to daycare 2, or she lost her temper with him and struck him (with her hands) or something. Or some combination of the two (i.e. maybe she realized he was still in the van when she got back to daycare 1 and it angered here that he didn't get out?).

 

[cvaldez1975]

see. this is also why church daycares should be subject to accreditation. safer for all parties. in this case they deserve what they get!

 

[TTF14]

see. this is also why church daycares should be subject to accreditation. safer for all parties. in this case they deserve what they get!

Yes, in all states!! I had no clue there were even any states that did not require this.

 

[cvaldez1975]

me either, until this thread!

Yes, in all states!! I had no clue there were even any states that did not require this.

 

[Gardener1850]

I think that's the case. What are you thinking? TIA

I don't know, but I've heard of daycare abuse cases where kids were drugged with benedryl or sleeping pills to keep them asleep or groggy and easy to handle. Also possible that drugs or chemicals were left in the van and Kamden came in contact with them or ingested them accidentally. Just some other ideas. If it turns out he didn't die in the van, but died at daycare then there are more possibilities-- kids being forced to sleep in a closet with no ventilation, put in a closet for punishment. Then there are possible accidental causes of death that don't necessarily involve an abusive environment-- such as choking on a piece of candy, having an allergic reaction to a food that was an unknown allergen, unintentional suffocation-- etc.

 

[monkeypants]

i had read that this state is one of 4 where they don't need licensing if it is church based. I hope they reconsider that!

I can't think of any reason in the world why ANY daycare provider doesn't need to be licensed and background checks performed regularly. NONE.

Why would a church of all things be exempt after all the problems churches/children have encountered in the past?

What a ludicrous idea and the fact that they NOW want to change this because of an incredible tragedy only makes me furious. Fear of lawsuit, no doubt.

 

[thekarmabus]

I can't think of any reason in the world why ANY daycare provider doesn't need to be licensed and background checks performed regularly. NONE.

Why would a church of all things be exempt after all the problems churches/children have encountered in the past?

What a ludicrous idea and the fact that they NOW want to change this because of an incredible tragedy only makes me furious. Fear of lawsuit, no doubt.

I agree with your thinking. It's complete BS. There are zero regulations or codes on these facilities . Nearly 50% of centers in AL are not regulated. AL is one of 4 states that still allow corporal punishment in daycares. Shaking my head.
I believe there was a bill in legislation this past year to change this however it was not signed. It's been an issue long before this tragedy.


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[DeDee]

While viewing the lengthy live feed on FB of LE searching, I heard the K9 Officer tell an investigator, who was exiting the front door, that his dog "hit" on ___?___. I couldn't hear where the K9 "hit" due to the incessant barking of the GS dog next door. I fell in love with that special K9 because he was there to work and not flirt with the noisy dog that was barking at him. Can you imagine the restraint and discipline the K9 used to ignore that barking GS?

I can't get the timeline straight in my head. Mom drops off precious son at daycare. Son gets in the van to go to school. I assume he was in K since he was 5yo. Driver finishes her route by one o'clock at which point she gets into her personal vehicle but she works split shifts. So, does she go back to work to drive the van to pick up students after school and take them back to the daycare? And that is basically an hour's lunch break between shifts? Did she move KJ from the van and place him into her vehicle so she could drop him off on her way home from the last shift?

The odor being mentioned could be caused from the body's natural release of urine and excrement at TOD. Getting too hot makes one very nauseated, also. These factors could contribute to the malodorous scent that could also draw flies.

VP has a criminal record that dates back to 1999 when she was age 18yo. Two of those charges were felonies. I am so very sorry that her and Kamden's lives crossed paths.

Manslaughter is a bit different than murder. The law says that a person commits manslaughter when they recklessly cause the death of another person. You can be charged with manslaughter for committing a crime in the heat of passion also.... Manslaughter is a Class B felony in Alabama.
http://myalabamadefenselawyer.com/criminal-charges/manslaughter/

Link was posted earlier so it is here for MSM TimeLine reference
http://www.ajc.com/news/national/ha...d-found-dead-driveway/ZuFG0t1Hi7YhuwtY9DwbSI/

 

[monkeypants]

I agree with your thinking. It's complete BS. There are zero regulations or codes on these facilities . Nearly 50% of centers in AL are not regulated. AL is one of 4 states that still allow corporal punishment in daycares. Shaking my head.
I believe there was a bill in legislation this past year to change this however it was not signed. It's been an issue long before this tragedy.


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You just added an additional twist...corporal punishment is legal. Can this be an offenders loophole I wonder?

 

[totesmagoat]

You just added an additional twist...corporal punishment is legal. Can this be an offenders loophole I wonder?

I wouldn't think so. Corporal punishment is usually swats on the rear. I went to catholic school when corporal punishment was allowed. And, yes, nuns will swat you.


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