Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[Drc40]

Hi Everyone!

Brand new to websleuths. Please take it easy on me as I don't know the etiquette. Metro Birmingham, AL native and I've been following Cupcake's case very closely.

Welcome neighbor. Read the rules. No posting social media stuff and make sure most everything is marked “MOO” (my opinion only) when speculating or theorizing. I’m new too but you will find this place full of internet super sleuths. Fascinating place I plan on visiting often even after this case comes to a resolution.

 

[PommyMommy]

There is a video of the arrest of the suspects. Does anyone have that handy or remember when it was posted?
A Limp is jumping out at me, but I don't remember where or who I saw limping. But, it's definitely there in my memory bank. Maybe the female that was arrested?

It would have been posted Sunday night, pretty sure. MOO

Hi Everyone!

Brand new to websleuths. Please take it easy on me as I don't know the etiquette. Metro Birmingham, AL native and I've been following Cupcake's case very closely.

Hi right back! Welcome.

 

[mjp1228]

Hi Everyone!

Brand new to websleuths. Please take it easy on me as I don't know the etiquette. Metro Birmingham, AL native and I've been following Cupcake's case very closely.

Since you asked so nicely, we’ll be kind Seriously, nothing to worry about here. Lots of good folks here.

Welcome to WS - sorry it’s under these circumstances

 

[Momof4RN]

Hi Everyone!

Brand new to websleuths. Please take it easy on me as I don't know the etiquette. Metro Birmingham, AL native and I've been following Cupcake's case very closely.

Welcome! Just remember victim friendly. No social media rumors. Post source with facts. And state your opinion when it is one. And you will do just fine.
Hardest part is figuring out all the abbreviations used

 

[MsBetsy]

In fact, one started walking away before he did, right? As if he said there was something over there. What were they picking up on the ground? Leaves? He may have said there was more of whatever it was over there.

Welcome, JessicaRome!
I do think he showed them something that they couldn't resist, I thought one of them took a step towards him first before turning around and following him. I'm not sure what they were picking up off the ground but they were doing that before the men walked by.

Imo

 

[jjenny]

I think he just walks like someone who has big pants that are falling down.
Imo

Would be unfortunate if that were the case, since a distinct limp can be used to ID someone, while big pants that are falling down, well, not so much.

 

[distracted]

Watch the video again. The first man comes from the right hand corner on the pavement. The second man comes out of the trees. MOO

If you watch the video on youtube, and enlarge it, you can see that the second man is approaching the kids from a walkway through some trees, but it looks like an open area.

He is moving with intention, however. And whatever he said to those two babies, he was successful in getting them to follow him.

Do we have any idea who the other child is?

 

[zecats]

Welcome! Just remember victim friendly. No social media rumors. Post source with facts. And state your opinion when it is one. And you will do just fine.
Hardest part is figuring out all the abbreviations used

There's even a list for that.

Websleuths Lingo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Good find!!

In the still photos with the girls the man appears to be in dark clothing. Compared to the photo of the abductor at the gas station, he is in black clothing.

I think they got the right guy !! Now to find the other guy and evidence.

Imo

The family was sooooo confident she wouldn’t go with a stranger.
Who does the other kid belong to?

 

[JerzeyGirl]

The family was sooooo confident she wouldn’t go with a stranger.
Who does the other kid belong to?

It may not be a stranger.

They don’t release any info on the other kid.

 

[mjp1228]

Would be unfortunate if that were the case, since a distinct limp can be used to ID someone, while big pants that are falling down, well, not so much.

I’ve watched it so many times I can’t look anymore. I keep thinking he almost drags his left leg at times - like there’s an injury or it’s not as strong as the right one. Then I replay it and see absolutely nothing noteworthy No more videos for me today.

 

[MsBetsy]

The family was sooooo confident she wouldn’t go with a stranger.
Who does the other kid belong to?

Well, her dad said she wouldn't get in a car with a stranger and wasn't too friendly but with delicious looking candy I would think even a child like that could be easily lured.
Apparently the man picked her up and put her in the car. I doubt she would have gone in willingly.
LE has spoken with the parents of the other child but her name is unknown.

Imo

 

[diggndeeperstill]

They said plus 37. So 8:02 pm roughly.

In this press conference he says at the beginning of showing video (about 13:50 remaining) he says “first there is a 37 minute difference between the time stamp on the video and the actual video of what occurs”
(Weird he says actual video? But also he never says plus or minus here)
Am I missing him say it elsewhere?

A recap of today's events for anyone just getting in.

OCT 18, 2019
SEARCH FOR ‘CUPCAKE’: New video, police searching for suspect, community search this Sunday
4:50 p.m.: The Birmingham Police Department announced Friday a plan to perform a grid search Sunday with the help of community volunteers.

According to BPD, after further evaluation, they are not asking for volunteers as they say they have “sufficient volunteers and personnel from BPD to already perform the search.”

11:39 a.m.: Birmingham City Council President Pro Tem William Parker is encouraging volunteers to come out and help police on Sunday. Times and location for the search will be announced soon.

10:30 a.m.: Birmingham Police Chief Patrick Smith hosts press conference. Six days have passed since “Cupcake’s” abduction.

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Birmingham Police Chief Patrick Smith said the surveillance video was taken from the Tom Brown Village area shortly before law enforcement was alerted to her disappearance.

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9:30 a.m.
Attorney Emory Anthony hosted a press conference on Friday morning to provide more information about representing Stallworth.

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[Linda7NJ]

Seeing her with that man brought tears to my eyes, a lump in my throat and my stomach to turn. I can’t stop thinking about this beautiful baby.

 

[distracted]

Well, her dad said she wouldn't get in a car with a stranger and wasn't too friendly but with delicious looking candy I would think even a child like that could be easily lured.
Apparently the man picked her up and put her in the car. I doubt she would have gone in willingly.
LE has spoken with the parents of the other child but her name is unknown.

Imo

Candy or a puppy is enough to entice any three-year-old, unfortunately.

 

[TTF14]

Candy...lost puppy...your mom sent me. Little children are so trusting.

And Welcome to Websleuths @JessicaRome198 !

Especially two little ones out on their own after dark....."Hey, your parents want you home, c'mon!"

 

[tabitha111]

I am thinking they didn't try to grab the other 3 year old (although they might have planned to) because perhaps that is when the brother stepped into the picture, looking for Cupcake and then he saw the moment she was put in the car.
They probably took off then and left the other child behind. Maybe also this other child ran off a bit and they couldn't risk running after the child (since one was in the car and only one guy did the grabbing it seems) and just got CC and left. MOO

 

[Momof4RN]

I’ve watched it so many times I can’t look anymore. I keep thinking he almost drags his left leg at times - like there’s an injury or it’s not as strong as the right one. Then I replay it and see absolutely nothing noteworthy No more videos for me today.

Did u happen to see shoes? I think they r on. But could be my mind playing tricks on me. How and why did they end up in parking lot?

 

[oviedo]

Did u happen to see shoes? I think they r on. But could be my mind playing tricks on me. How and why did they end up in parking lot?

If they were loose she literally could have been yanked right out of them IMO

 

[CSIDreamer]

In this press conference he says at the beginning of showing video (about 13:50 remaining) he says “first there is a 37 minute difference between the time stamp on the video and the actual video of what occurs”
(Weird he says actual video? But also he never says plus or minus here)
Am I missing him say it elsewhere?

Let me see if I can find it.