Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[margarita25]

Is there the possibility that PS has a white girlfriend and/or associate?

I’m going to go ahead and be that one person here (per my “poll” lol) that says this has not been definitively ruled out imo. Again, it doesn’t mean it IS the case, just means that it can not be excluded on the basis of LE publicly stating otherwise. In other words, there has been nothing yet that says this is necessarily and conclusively “misinformation”.

The reason why I say this also is that in what appears to be predominantly an African American neighborhood (I could be wrong on that, please correct me if so), I would think a white person would especially stick out from a witness’s standpoint, even if the witness is a child and it was dark outside.

So where did this “white female” business come from to begin with?

 

[n4k]

In that video that was posted from YouTube, but has now been deleted (not sure why?). That was a great video. After watching the video that was slowed way down, I have to back up now and say that guy DOES definitely have a limp, imo. It looks like he has slight foot-drop on that right foot.

 

[Lillymac]

Thank you! I’m sorry I didn’t listen past what the first reporter or in air person said. I see now where he says they spoke with a family member who says that was a cousin she was playing with.

I grabbed a screenshot from the video as well. Clearly shows back of child care and what we thought was a road looks like the end of the road with a grassy area to me.

Glad you found it...

 

[Fire Fox 2]

Is there the possibility that PS has a white girlfriend and/or associate?

I’m going to go ahead and be that one person here (per my “poll” lol) that says this has not been definitively ruled out imo. Again, it doesn’t mean it IS the case, just means that it can not be excluded on the basis of LE publicly stating otherwise. In other words, there has been nothing yet that says this is necessarily and conclusively “misinformation”.

The reason why I say this also is that in what appears to be predominantly an African American neighborhood (I could be wrong on that, please correct me if so), I would think a white person would especially stick out from a witness’s standpoint, even if the witness is a child and it was dark outside.

My first impression after watching that video on slow mo for an hour was the first POI was a white female.... but that’s night vision camera right?

 

[margarita25]

If I could ask LE questions, some would include:

1. Is POI #2 PS?

2. Is it possible that more charges could be filed against PS?

3. Is the possibility of some sort of trafficking or CP Ring situation on the table?

4. When do you anticipate results back on the vehicle processing?

5. Has QJ’s potential involvement in this case been ruled out?

Those are some off the top of my head. There are of course more. I know we all have a lot of questions.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Somewhere right before the 52:? Something mark - he begins with Cupcake.

 

[Lillymac]

Start listening about 28 seconds in. I have watched the original but can't find it now. This is what someone copied from a podcast I think.

Thanks. Yes I've seen those videos. What he says jumped out at me too.

 

[PommyMommy]

Do Patrick Stallworth and Derick (sp?) Brown live together or was she just visiting him at his apartment at the time Police came knocking due to his vehicle?

Yes, reportedly they live together. MOO

 

[margarita25]

Excellent, I had a note out to @grayhuze asking if he’d be doing any videos on CC’s case. If he does any of his special animated location videos it would be fantastic.

 

[dotr]

There may be no way of knowing or saying for that matter because all children are beautiful each in their own way, but... don't get mad-
Some have wondered if KM was singled out for abduction because the other child was not taken, but dare i wonder if the other child was equally good-looking?

 

[MsMarple]

WVTM 13

Video shows little girl playing, being approached by man just before abduction

Jumping ahead since I have stuff to do and apologies if it's been mentioned already. In the video (around -0:25) the reporter says "The chief said the search is going to center around the area where one of those persons of interest are known to frequent."

That's interesting. Unfortunately, the reporter and I guess the chief didn't say which person of interest is known to frequent the area. But if it's the suspect then IMO a connection to the area is important information.

And more apologies - I'm a little scattered today but is the search area referenced Tom Brown Village?

 

[SouthAussie]

Looks like there is a fence that surrounds the back of the Tom Brown homes. Does it go all the way around the cul-de-sac? Was little Cupcake outside the fence? Can anyone make out a gate?

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Good spotting ..... it certainly looks like the playground area is fenced off (maybe for day care centre use?). I zoomed in as much as I could, and you can see the fence and the shadow of the wire fence on the ground.

Yes, the fence goes all the way around the culdesac, down to the gate at the end by the road. But seems to be partitioned off so that the playground area is its own fenced unit.

So, were the girls inside the fence, or outside the fence on the side of the Tom Brown Village?
I wonder how high the fence is. Waist height, or taller?

If they were inside the fenced area playing, then someone else may have needed to be waiting by the fence near the parking lot to help lift them over. Which could be why one child was taken .... something disturbed them before they could lift the 2nd child over.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Excellent, I had a note out to @grayhuze asking if he’d be doing any videos on CC’s case. If he does any of his special animated videos it would be fantastic.

He’s great clever responsible informative witty and funny.

 

[NDreu]

I have been trying to figure out more precise details of the timeline and how long the family searched for KM before calling 911. This article has some time details in terms of the Amber Alert and NCIc filing that fill in some of the missing details.

BPD Chief: Family searched for Kamille before calling for help

Article Highlights:
“As many families think that they can resolve their issue on their own, they think that they can do just a quick search of the neighborhood or area to find a missing person or missing child,” said Chief Smith during a news conference. “There was a little bit of a delay in getting the information to law enforcement so we can conduct a thorough grid search of the entire area before putting out an AMBER Alert.”

It’s unclear how long the delay was.

Birmingham Police were first called to the Tom Brown Village Saturday night at 8:29. About three hours later, an Amber Alert was issued. [BBM] Chief Smith said his officers worked as quickly as possible, searching the area, interviewing people and determining whether McKinney’s case met the criteria to issue an AMBER Alert.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) suggests officers verify an abduction occurred, believe the child is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death, have enough descriptive information about the child and suspect to help in discovery and enter that information into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) system before sending an alert.

Based on guidelines issued by the DOJ, that information should be shared with NCIC immediately, which is defined as two hours following the first report of the missing child. [BBM]

“This is something that we try to do incredibly fast, especially considering the age of the child, but in this instance, it was delayed reporting to law enforcement,” explained Chief Smith.

A spokesman for Birmingham Police did not immediately know when officers determined an Amber Alert was necessary and when the notification process began. [BBM]. He did point out that throughout the investigation, police dispatch was sharing details about McKinney’s information to other law enforcement agencies so they could assist.

The Amber Alert is a statewide notification of a child who is in danger.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCEMC) told WBRC Fox 6 it was notified 11:40 p.m. [BBM] Saturday of the AMBER Alert. Alabama’s Amber Alert coordinator requested NCMEC send the AMBER Alert to cell phones through the Wireless Emergency Alert (WEA) system. Those alerts were sent by midnight, which is the normal time for this process, according to a spokesperson with NCEMC.

 

[SuziQ]

I don’t understand why they can’t get a 24 hour DNA turnaround??? We can do it in less than that in the UK if a matter of life and death and the Chief is willing to pay for it. I accept that we are tiny in comparison to the USA but ergo the more crimes and higher the population equals more forensic labs surely ?
I just can’t wrap my head around what takes so long??? MOO

We have rapid DNA tests in the states. The FBI does as well. Maybe the tests have come back? Idk?

 

[margarita25]

He’s great clever responsible informative witty and funny.

(@grayhuze has so much technical talent it’s amazing. His videos on the Delphi case are literally STUNNING, moo. I never turn down an opportunity to applaud his technical talent.)

 

[SuziQ]

Is there the possibility that PS has a white girlfriend and/or associate?

I’m going to go ahead and be that one person here (per my “poll” lol) that says this has not been definitively ruled out imo. Again, it doesn’t mean it IS the case, just means that it can not be excluded on the basis of LE publicly stating otherwise. In other words, there has been nothing yet that says this is necessarily and conclusively “misinformation”.

The reason why I say this also is that in what appears to be predominantly an African American neighborhood (I could be wrong on that, please correct me if so), I would think a white person would especially stick out from a witness’s standpoint, even if the witness is a child and it was dark outside.

So where did this “white female” business come from to begin with?

The white woman came from the 11 year old witness.

 

[MsBetsy]

Somewhere right before the 52:? Something mark - he begins with Kamille.

You would think if someone was going to post a video about a crime they would have done a little research on the case. He didn't seem to know anything about an arrest and said that LE must be thinking the two people seen in the video have nothing to do with the abduction.

LE seemed pretty clear about their belief that the second man is involved and the first is a person of interest.

Imo

 

[Asme27]

Good spotting ..... it certainly looks like the playground area is fenced off (maybe for day care centre use?). I zoomed in as much as I could, and you can see the fence and the shadow of the fence on the ground.

Yes, the fence goes all the way around the culdesac, down to the gate at the end by the road. But seems to be partitioned off so that the playground area is its own fenced unit.

So, were the girls inside the fence, or outside the fence on the side of the Tom Brown Village?
I wonder how high the fence is. Waist height, or taller?

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Oooooh, I wonder if the kids were behind the fence but close to the end of the fence. Because when I was watching the video I noticed the first guys sweater looks white until he walked right by the children. I couldn’t figure out why his sweater magically looked like it turned black once he reached the kids. Could that possibly be the reason? Anyone else see that?

ETA- hm, I just replayed the video. I don’t see a fence in the video where his sweater changes color though.

 

[margarita25]

The white woman came from the 11 year old witness.

Hi

Now I’m going to be very specific on technicalities. IIRC, I remember when that piece of information came out and it was when the photos of the vehicle on the road were released, before PS and QJ were arrested. In that specific quote by @PommyMommy that I’m referencing, iirc, it was not stated specifically that it came from the 11 year old. Although I do believe this to possibly be the case, that it did come from the 11 year old, I want to be sure we have that definitively in quote if stated as fact my friend.

And if we do find such a quote (hard to keep up with every single thing here, it could exist), I would think the witness would be able to differentiate between a white and black person as I mentioned, even if it was a child witness and even if it was dark, particularly in what appears to be a predominantly African American neighborhood.

Normally I am veeeeeery cautious when it comes to witness descriptions; I personally believe they are highly subjective with room for much error. (The Oprah purse snatching experiment nailed that one for me many years ago). But if it was a child who saw a white woman, or at least even “person” (genders can be tricky sometimes with long hair, etc), I’m not ready to discount this.