AL - Karen Shahan, 53, murdered, Homewood, 23 July 2013 #1

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  • #121
Ugh...


Sgt. Didcoct says it appears that this particular house was targeted.



http://www.myfoxal.com/story/22912350/police-investigating-homewood-homicide

Targeted - I'm assuming they mean that there was no disruption at any other house nearby, no suspicious noises or strangers knocking on doors, nothing heard, seen, missing or out of place anywhere else except Mrs Shahan's house.
 
  • #122
SAPPHIRESTEEL- Dr. Carter (interim pastor) is filling in until we find a new pastor, our last pastor and his family decided to move back to their home state to be closer to family. Richard (Shahan) is the children/families pastor, he's been at our church for 4 years. I'm out of town right now so I can't give you a definite answer on how long Dr. Carter has been filling in. When I find out I will let you know.
 
  • #123
I want to add, not that this makes some larger point, that based on many accounts, Dr. Carter's (head Pastor) tenure, and Richard Shahan's LinkedIn profile -- Dr. Carter seems to hire Richard Shahan and bring him wherever he goes. When Carter left Shades Mountain Church, so did Mr. Shahan. When Carter took on the interim pastor position at FBC, so followed the hiring of Richard Shahan. In the interim -- Richard Shahan was at Hickory Grove Baptist outside of Charlotte, NC. Carter describes Mr. Shahan as "Masterful" at Children's ministries.

That is NOT entirely true... Sorry... further research puts Dr. Carter's interim pastor position as beginning in 2012. Shahan was there before Carter... Sorry. :-) But they were together at Shades Mountain and Shahan did leave shortly after Carter's retirement.

http://fbcbirmingham.org/about/history/


THIS IS RICHARD SHAHAN'S LINKEDIN PROFILE:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/richard-shahan/30/39/1a4

http://www.thealabamabaptist.org/print-edition-article-detail.php?id_art=28309&pricat_art=1
 
  • #124
Does Birmingham seem to solve most crime? I looked up the crime rate yesterday and it listed many shootings. It looked like most were solved and quite a few confessions. From the pics, it looks like a beautiful place to live but so sad about what happened to such a nice Christian woman.
 
  • #125
Does Birmingham seem to solve most crime? I looked up the crime rate yesterday and it listed many shootings. It looked like most were solved and quite a few confessions. From the pics, it looks like a beautiful place to live but so sad about what happened to such a nice Christian woman.

It's actually Homewood, AL. It's the first suburb (fully incorporated) south of Birmingham and is rich in history. I'm sure that Homewood Police are utilizing the support of The Jefferson County Sheriffs Office. This would be prosecuted at the County level. The following link gives you a crime breakdown. You will notice that the Lakeshore Estates corridor does show a slightly larger rate than others. I didn't see that coming. But keep in mind, Homewood's Mayor told us that this crime is an exception not the rule. This sort of thing doesn't happen in Homewood. ;-)

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/al/homewood/
 
  • #126
It's actually Homewood, AL. It's the first "white flight" suburb (fully incorporated) south of Birmingham and is rich in history. The following link gives you a crime breakdown. You will notice that the Lakeshore Estates corridor does show a slightly larger rate than others. I didn't see that coming. But keep in mind, Homewood's Mayor told us that this crime is an exception not the rule. This sort of thing doesn't happen in Homewood. ;-)

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/al/homewood/

Erm...not quite certain what this means?

Do you mean Homewood was set up to be a Caucasian enclave? :waitasec:
 
  • #127
Erm...not quite certain what this means?

Do you mean Homewood was set up to be a Caucasian enclave? :waitasec:

I edited that before I saw your reply basically because I didn't want to get that debate started. "White flight" is an actual term coined in the middle of the 20th century before I was born, but is the essence of why Birmingham is so tangled with sprawl of incorporated municipalities. It's not my term, but consider it redacted for our purposes. I personally believe Birmingham would thrive under a County government much like Chattanooga's model, but because of our history and misconceptions -- from both sides of the spectrum -- I believe we are another 50 years from that. So... REDACTED. Thanks. :-)

White flight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
  • #128
I edited that before I saw your reply basically because I didn't want to get that debate started. "White flight" is an actual term coined in the middle of the 20th century before I was born, but is the essence of why Birmingham is so tangled with sprawl of incorporated municipalities. It's not my term, but consider it redacted for our purposes. I personally believe Birmingham would thrive under a County government much like Chattanooga's model, but because of our history and misconceptions -- from both sides of the spectrum -- I believe we are another 50 years from that. So... REDACTED. Thanks. :-)

White flight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry.

It just wasn't a term I was familiar with.

But I understand what you mean, it was kind of set up as a Caucasian enclave...except no one said it out loud.

In other words, a good area, no inner city crime or poor folks.

Definitely a place for rich pickings burglary wise, but you wouldn't think that particular house would be a magnet.

In fact I don't think it was, as I've said.

Reading between lots of lines, it sounds like someone who knew Mrs Shahan and knew she was going to be alone and defenceless.

Poor lady.
 
  • #129
I'm still a bit confused on the conflicting reporting of her coworkers at Hobby Lobby calling for LE to perform a welfare check on Karen due to her not showing up for her scheduled morning shift at the store..and then the reporting about it being actual church officials who came to the Shahan residence and found Karen's body when she did not show up for a scheduled appointment of some type with or involving the church..???..

I'm still confused on how that morning events went down and what exactly it was that set off the official warning bells..was it her coworkers in deciding to call in LE for a welfare check simply due to the fact Karen didn't show up for her Tuesday morning work shift.. As others have mentioned it does seem to be odd that her coworkers would have immediately resorted to LE involvement when she didn't show up for work that morning.. I agree with most that it seems to be an extreme reaction if it is simply just the fact that a coworker didn't show up for one shift...

Or what was it that set off official warning bells with the church officials that led to their going to the Shahan home that morning and entering it to find Karen deceased on the couch??.. Did both of these events happen that morning, as in both the church officials and the coworkers were sounding the alarm in the coworkers calling LE for a welfare check AND the church officials entering her home and found her, thereby calling 911 at that point?.. Did both of these two sets of people/events happen that morning??

If so IMO it does make one question what possibly did they all know prior to this happening that would have made them find it necessary to immediately sound the official warning bells that something very grave/dire had possibly happened with Karen?.. I hope I'm being clear enough in what I am asking, as it is not in any way accusatory or even alluding to anyone/anything in particular.. For example when I am thinking about possible preexisting knowledge being present regarding Karen's welfare that would have made both coworkers and church officials immediately sound the alarms..could it be that Karen had recently had a scare of some type or even had been getting a weird or uneasy vibe about someone(and that someone could be someone she knew or it could be a complete stranger)..if say, she had seen someone lurking around, popping up in different places she was, or even saying or acting inappropriate in some regard.. Something like this I could see Karen having mentioned, if even briefly or just in passing, to fellow coworkers or people at the church..therefor this preexisting knowledge IMO would have made them take immediate notice when she suddenly didn't show up for work/appt..KWIM??

Hopefully that makes sense as its something that I've been thinking on while trying to figure out which of the two reporting is correct regarding who/why sounded the official warning bells that morning..was it the coworkers who called LE for a welfare check when Karen didn't show up for her morning shift??.. Or..was it the church officials who entered the Shahan home finding Karen on the couch and therefor alerted 911??.. Or did both of these events happen as we have seen/heard these two different accounts of why/who sounded the alarm in contacting LE about Karen that morning??

The article that supposedly is quoting authorities indicates that their involvement stemmed from a call reporting Karen's body had been found in the Shahan home.. IMO this is consistent with it being true that it was church officials who entered the Shahan home and found Karen deceased on the couch..this leading to their calling 911 and reporting it..thereby marking the point of how/when LE were contacted with the information of Karen's body being found in the Shahan home..

Could it be that Hobby Lobby employees separately contacted LE about Karen Shahan as well Tuesday morning?.. I suppose that's possible, but once again I have come full circle in it leading me to believe that if indeed two separate groups of people were immediately fearful of Karen's welfare to the point of contacting LE..well, IMO I would strongly believe its possible that there was some issue that Karen had atleast made mention to others regarding someone/something that she was leery of, uneasy about, or was somehow troubling to her...

All jmo in looking at the possibility of there being someone, whose actions/behaviors had caused concern or worry for Karen to a degree that she had shared or spoken about it to others in the time leading up to her death..
 
  • #130
I'm still a bit confused on the conflicting reporting of her coworkers at Hobby Lobby calling for LE to perform a welfare check on Karen due to her not showing up for her scheduled morning shift at the store..and then the reporting about it being actual church officials who came to the Shahan residence and found Karen's body when she did not show up for a scheduled appointment of some type with or involving the church..???..

I'm still confused on how that morning events went down and what exactly it was that set off the official warning bells..was it her coworkers in deciding to call in LE for a welfare check simply due to the fact Karen didn't show up for her Tuesday morning work shift.. As others have mentioned it does seem to be odd that her coworkers would have immediately resorted to LE involvement when she didn't show up for work that morning.. I agree with most that it seems to be an extreme reaction if it is simply just the fact that a coworker didn't show up for one shift...

Or what was it that set off official warning bells with the church officials that led to their going to the Shahan home that morning and entering it to find Karen deceased on the couch??.. Did both of these events happen that morning, as in both the church officials and the coworkers were sounding the alarm in the coworkers calling LE for a welfare check AND the church officials entering her home and found her, thereby calling 911 at that point?.. Did both of these two sets of people/events happen that morning??

If so IMO it does make one question what possibly did they all know prior to this happening that would have made them find it necessary to immediately sound the official warning bells that something very grave/dire had possibly happened with Karen?.. I hope I'm being clear enough in what I am asking, as it is not in any way accusatory or even alluding to anyone/anything in particular.. For example when I am thinking about possible preexisting knowledge being present regarding Karen's welfare that would have made both coworkers and church officials immediately sound the alarms..could it be that Karen had recently had a scare of some type or even had been getting a weird or uneasy vibe about someone(and that someone could be someone she knew or it could be a complete stranger)..if say, she had seen someone lurking around, popping up in different places she was, or even saying or acting inappropriate in some regard.. Something like this I could see Karen having mentioned, if even briefly or just in passing, to fellow coworkers or people at the church..therefor this preexisting knowledge IMO would have made them take immediate notice when she suddenly didn't show up for work/appt..KWIM??

Hopefully that makes sense as its something that I've been thinking on while trying to figure out which of the two reporting is correct regarding who/why sounded the official warning bells that morning..was it the coworkers who called LE for a welfare check when Karen didn't show up for her morning shift??.. Or..was it the church officials who entered the Shahan home finding Karen on the couch and therefor alerted 911??.. Or did both of these events happen as we have seen/heard these two different accounts of why/who sounded the alarm in contacting LE about Karen that morning??

The article that supposedly is quoting authorities indicates that their involvement stemmed from a call reporting Karen's body had been found in the Shahan home.. IMO this is consistent with it being true that it was church officials who entered the Shahan home and found Karen deceased on the couch..this leading to their calling 911 and reporting it..thereby marking the point of how/when LE were contacted with the information of Karen's body being found in the Shahan home..

Could it be that Hobby Lobby employees separately contacted LE about Karen Shahan as well Tuesday morning?.. I suppose that's possible, but once again I have come full circle in it leading me to believe that if indeed two separate groups of people were immediately fearful of Karen's welfare to the point of contacting LE..well, IMO I would strongly believe its possible that there was some issue that Karen had atleast made mention to others regarding someone/something that she was leery of, uneasy about, or was somehow troubling to her...

All jmo in looking at the possibility of there being someone, whose actions/behaviors had caused concern or worry for Karen to a degree that she had shared or spoken about it to others in the time leading up to her death..


Please cite where you received the information that Church Officials or anyone from the Church discovered Ms. Shahan's body... or called 911. I can find nothing to support this. This information would change my whole outlook on this but I can't find it. If you find the article, please link it and quote the actual sentences in the reply.
 
  • #131
Please cite where you received the information that Church Officials or anyone from the Church discovered Ms. Shahan's body... or called 911. I can find nothing to support this. This information would change my whole outlook on this but I can't find it. If you find the article, please link it and quote the actual sentences in the reply.

Well its been quoted numerous times, here..They're the facts we've had and are not new.
She was found late morning July 23 by church officials after not showing up for a previously scheduled appointment and work.
http://www.thealabamabaptist.org/print-edition-article-detail.php?id_art=28309&pricat_art=1

I stated that the below is consistent with it being church officials are who alerted LE..and IMO that is exactly what the below quote is, consistent with church officials being who alerted LE after they found Karen's body in the Shahan home..
Shortly after 11am officers responded to a report of a dead body in the Shahan home.
www.wset.com/story/22931651/homewood-police-continue-homicide-investigation-thursdaY

Hope That Helps:)
 
  • #132
Well its been quoted numerous times, here..They're the facts we've had and are not new.

http://www.thealabamabaptist.org/print-edition-article-detail.php?id_art=28309&pricat_art=1

I stated that the below is consistent with it being church officials are who alerted LE..and IMO that is exactly what the below quote is, consistent with church officials being who alerted LE after they found Karen's body in the Shahan home..

www.wset.com/story/22931651/homewood-police-continue-homicide-investigation-thursdaY

Hope That Helps:)

I've read the opposite. :waitasec:


Police responded to the Shahan home at 102 Hugh Circle after co-workers called, concerned after Karen Shahan didn't show up for work at Hobby Lobby.

Officers found Shahan's body on her couch around 11:15 a.m. Tuesday. Homewood police haven't yet said how she died, but said it was apparent someone killed her.


I read that the co-worker who was originally concerned was Mrs Shahan's mother, but I can't find the link. Mrs Shahan didn't appear to pick her mom up as scheduled (I assume they worked together) nor did she answer the phone so she called the Hobby Lobby who in turn called LE, who then went to the house and found her.

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/22920282/coroner-identifies-woman-found-dead-in-homewood
 
  • #133
I'm still a bit confused on the conflicting reporting of her coworkers at Hobby Lobby calling for LE to perform a welfare check on Karen due to her not showing up for her scheduled morning shift at the store..and then the reporting about it being actual church officials who came to the Shahan residence and found Karen's body when she did not show up for a scheduled appointment of some type with or involving the church..???..

I'm still confused on how that morning events went down and what exactly it was that set off the official warning bells..was it her coworkers in deciding to call in LE for a welfare check simply due to the fact Karen didn't show up for her Tuesday morning work shift.. As others have mentioned it does seem to be odd that her coworkers would have immediately resorted to LE involvement when she didn't show up for work that morning.. I agree with most that it seems to be an extreme reaction if it is simply just the fact that a coworker didn't show up for one shift...

Or what was it that set off official warning bells with the church officials that led to their going to the Shahan home that morning and entering it to find Karen deceased on the couch??.. Did both of these events happen that morning, as in both the church officials and the coworkers were sounding the alarm in the coworkers calling LE for a welfare check AND the church officials entering her home and found her, thereby calling 911 at that point?.. Did both of these two sets of people/events happen that morning??

If so IMO it does make one question what possibly did they all know prior to this happening that would have made them find it necessary to immediately sound the official warning bells that something very grave/dire had possibly happened with Karen?.. I hope I'm being clear enough in what I am asking, as it is not in any way accusatory or even alluding to anyone/anything in particular.. For example when I am thinking about possible preexisting knowledge being present regarding Karen's welfare that would have made both coworkers and church officials immediately sound the alarms..could it be that Karen had recently had a scare of some type or even had been getting a weird or uneasy vibe about someone(and that someone could be someone she knew or it could be a complete stranger)..if say, she had seen someone lurking around, popping up in different places she was, or even saying or acting inappropriate in some regard.. Something like this I could see Karen having mentioned, if even briefly or just in passing, to fellow coworkers or people at the church..therefor this preexisting knowledge IMO would have made them take immediate notice when she suddenly didn't show up for work/appt..KWIM??

Hopefully that makes sense as its something that I've been thinking on while trying to figure out which of the two reporting is correct regarding who/why sounded the official warning bells that morning..was it the coworkers who called LE for a welfare check when Karen didn't show up for her morning shift??.. Or..was it the church officials who entered the Shahan home finding Karen on the couch and therefor alerted 911??.. Or did both of these events happen as we have seen/heard these two different accounts of why/who sounded the alarm in contacting LE about Karen that morning??

The article that supposedly is quoting authorities indicates that their involvement stemmed from a call reporting Karen's body had been found in the Shahan home.. IMO this is consistent with it being true that it was church officials who entered the Shahan home and found Karen deceased on the couch..this leading to their calling 911 and reporting it..thereby marking the point of how/when LE were contacted with the information of Karen's body being found in the Shahan home..

Could it be that Hobby Lobby employees separately contacted LE about Karen Shahan as well Tuesday morning?.. I suppose that's possible, but once again I have come full circle in it leading me to believe that if indeed two separate groups of people were immediately fearful of Karen's welfare to the point of contacting LE..well, IMO I would strongly believe its possible that there was some issue that Karen had atleast made mention to others regarding someone/something that she was leery of, uneasy about, or was somehow troubling to her...

All jmo in looking at the possibility of there being someone, whose actions/behaviors had caused concern or worry for Karen to a degree that she had shared or spoken about it to others in the time leading up to her death..

I, too, wondered about the differing reports on who and why calls were made to LE on that day...

Good point that it may have been a combination of the two versions...

additionally... Just a thought... But could one of her co-workers have also been a fellow church member?

JMO
 
  • #134
At the age of 52 I would think her mom's concern would be that she could have had a heart attack or a stroke. Or even had fallen and was unable to get to the phone. The mother may have even called the church to see if anyone had seen her. It's possible Karen did not go on the trip with her husband because she did not feel well. I doubt their first thought was that she was killed. Normally your mind just does not go there. jmo
 
  • #135
You guys seem to have a warped ideal of what it means to be 52 years old. :-)
 
  • #136
I, too, wondered about the differing reports on who and why calls were made to LE on that day...

Good point that it may have been a combination of the two versions...

additionally... Just a thought... But could one of her co-workers have also been a fellow church member?

JMO

The reporting is so minimal ..

It could easily be that the co-worker (or mother.. whoever) .. called people at the church - knowing she had an appointment .. when the folks at the church put 2 and 2 together .. missing both the appointment and work .. they went over to check it out.

I can see how it would be reported as either church folks calling - OR co-worker "reporting" it ..

I do think it was a matter of 2 missed things setting off some alarm bells - especially if she was always prompt.

I can hear the conversation... "Man - I hope she's OK" especially if (probably) they knew her husband was out of town.
 
  • #137
You guys seem to have a warped ideal of what it means to be 52 years old. :-)

Been there, done that. Really 52 years old is not too young for a woman to have a heart attack or stroke. Not saying that was their thoughts but to call for a wellness check they were all concerned about her either being ill or injured. I doubt they thought she had been killed. jmo
 
  • #138
Been there, done that. Really 52 years old is not too young for a woman to have a heart attack or stroke. Not saying that was their thoughts but to call for a wellness check they were all concerned about her either being ill or injured. I doubt they thought she had been killed. jmo

I think that is exactly what our fellow Sleuths are debating; whether are not others had some information as to whether she feared she was in some sort of danger and had shared that with friends/coworkers.
 
  • #139
I think that is exactly what our fellow Sleuths are debating; whether are not others had some information as to whether she feared she was in some sort of danger and had shared that with friends/coworkers.

That could very well be the case. It is very interesting that we are hearing nothing from the community or from LE about what could have possibly happened. I live in a small community and rumors that would have portions of the truth, if not all of the truth, would be flying. Has LE asked the public for help at all in terms if anyone noticed anything unusual??
 
  • #140
That could very well be the case. It is very interesting that we are hearing nothing from the community or from LE about what could have possibly happened. I live in a small community and rumors that would have portions of the truth, if not all of the truth, would be flying. Has LE asked the public for help at all in terms if anyone noticed anything unusual??


RUMORS ARE FLYING! If I convey them here you're going to modsnip me. :-) We are all quite certain what happened and for that reason, no, LE is not asking the public for help.
 
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