Found Deceased AL - Paighton Houston, 29, left bar with 2 men, Birmingham, 20 Dec 2019 #5

[Beekarina]

Double post.

 

[TheExperience]

Double Post

 

[TheExperience]

Longview, Kilgore, Union city, Tyler, I could go on. Not necessarily burned out, but drug ridden pocket neighborhoods. They have a severe meth problem and as of the last few hears, Heroine. Just that they have many pocket neighborhoods similar to this. Many have not streetlights, some never did. many areas where it is predominantly black.
Yes, white addicts would go to these type of neighborhoods to buy drugs. Or just to do drugs. Severe addicts are not particular about the co they keep. If you driver over to Citigas right now (houston ghetto) Straight crack neighborhood. All black, you will see several young, white woment, meandering around. some leaving in nice cars, and some walking.

Perhaps, areas are different, even with heavy drug users. I learned some info about Brighton, a high crime area.
I believe a young girl of any color driving luxury vehicles around drug houses in Lumberton, NC, (similar to PH, missing ex addict and 3 women found disposed of) would have very little chance of leaving unharmed, because nice cars or high cost phones, cash, etc. in such a poverty stricken area, will get someone killed just traveling through, who are not looking for drugs.
IMO, PH went with people who were known to people she knows. They were unknown to her, but she felt somewhat safe because they knew people she trusted, thus felt safe, until they turned a corner, into Brighton. All opinion.

 

[TheExperience]

IS FH particularly "skanky looking" though? We know he's got a terrible past, BUT his headshot that I saw on the Heavy yesterday looks "normal" enough.

I think if he was employed at the Tin Roof, that would have already gotten out. I would not make assumptions about where he might have worked though, based on it being " a nice place. "

It wouldn't be unusual for a guy with his past to work under the table, and bars, restaurants, would be common places to work on a cash basis.

The trucking company where PH worked might also be connected. Maybe he did day labor? Anything is possible here. He did his time, and was following the rules until this happened, so who knows? Someone might have hired him.

Skanky Lol, do u mean Rough looking?

 

[ChuckInHouston]

Everybody who drives thru a town & Dad grew up 30 miles away is an expert in a locale- just saying

Not an expert, just that I spent a lot of time in Birmingham and running around with my cousins, who back then had friends in Hueytown, Bessimer, and another cousin in Brighton. One a year older than me and one a year younger. My grandmother stayed with us in Houston about half the year, had a house in Jasper until she died, but most of my young life either stayed with us or my aunt in Birmingham, or for the last few years in a retirement community in Vestivia Hills. I have another cousin in leads. and a 2nd cousin in Homewood. How much do you know about the area other than what you can gleen from google?

 

[Jane_Fox]

Frankly because you think its all the same i still dont believe you at all & really dont care one way or the other. Yeah, so I had to google the crime stats to give a comparison for the NC town someone asked my advice on...and? Btw you stating all the nicest areas of BHM & the fact you never LIVED there & are likely currently a 70+ old white man. imo u really didn't go any of those places except maybe hueytown. I owned 14 properties all within Bessemer, Hueytown, Fairfield, midfield, Brighton & as stated elsewhere by accident the address of a commercial business. Rented in Hoover. Look me up in property tax records. #AH

 

[Steph8angels]

Thank you, I'm out unless Alacourt shows something regarding FH.

Thank you
Please alert when in custody...... I hope it's sooner than later.

I want him off the streets and questions answered to Authorities for Paighton and her family.
And for future and past victims of this creep.
He could OD himself or meet foul play himself being karma trashed.
I want him alive!!!
MOO no doubt
He holds the answers and Justice for Paighton.

 

[ChuckInHouston]

I'm 47 if it gives any context. Much of that time was from the late 70s thru the early 90's and even since it has changed a lot. it's always been poor, in most of those towns. Of no concern to me if you believe it or not. I don't know much about Philadelphia except I stayed in a hotel there once on my way back from NJ, and thus you wont ever see me making a reference to it. ..............I've been all over and parsonaly, I find that most rural towns in the US are much the same.In a previous life, Ive run the roads in both. I've done drugs in both, and if you blink, I assure you, anyone could hardly tell the difference.

 

[jgarris]

Holy hell. I go away for two days and there’s a big development.

Hopeful for final answers (and a capture) to happen soon.

 

[evilwise]

I've been all over and parsonaly, I find that most rural towns in the US are much the same.

Yeah, all just "flyover" areas not worth your time right? I live in an Appalachian border county and let me assure you if you drive an hour toward the mountains the rural towns are very very different than if you drive an hour toward the water.

 

[Momof4RN]

This, exactly. Very well said - I always find it interesting in many many cases I’ve followed, that most (family included) would rather believe that their loved one died of foul play, rather than an OD. It proves just how deeply the stigma runs.

Perhaps it’s because dying from an OD is seen as a choice, while murder is seen as something the victim couldn’t possibly help.

Something to consider - I would much rather die via OD than murder, and I’d much rather know that my loved one went peacefully than knowing they were terrified and in pain in their final moments.

Regardless, PH didn’t deserve to be discarded like trash, and I hope that any that were involved are brought to justice.

Morning Beth! I have much enjoyed reading your posts and admired you sharing your own past struggles.
I am sure anyone who has been with us through much of this case knows how adamant I am that PH did not OD. I didn’t believe that’s what happened while she was missing, even less so when she was found in a shallow grave, and even more so now that we know the history of the suspect on the loose.
My opinion is not based on any stigma or judgment towards any addicts. I have stated before it would be much more comforting to know PH died from an OD than the alternative. I’m sure most mom’s would feel the same about their beloved daughter. I just don’t believe that’s what happened here. I believe her past made it possible and believable to make a crime look like a recovering addict OD’d.
The problem is there are a variety of stories. People not telling the truth. Many gaps and inconsistencies. That does not happen when people are trying to protect someone close to them or a victim. That happens when one is a guilty party and one is protecting themselves and the suspect. I truly believe that had PH OD’d that night and had she gone out with close dear friends, those friends would have rendered help and they would have told the whole truth. Nothing about this case has sounded like an accidental OD to me from day 1. Even the #1 suspect has no drug record.

JMO

 

[squareandrabbet]

IS FH particularly "skanky looking" though? We know he's got a terrible past, BUT his headshot that I saw on the Heavy yesterday looks "normal" enough.

Yeah, on every case thread involving sketchy lawbreakers/convicted criminals, there's always a small subset of people who seem surprised to discover that they don't come with neon signs, flashing lights, and an electronic chalkboard around their neck spelling out "I am a convicted felon and thus Bad News". I grant generally that drunk guys leering at you often telegraph "yuck" shivers down one's spine; but often that's because they're drunk and nowhere near as suave as they think they are.

I also agree that some folks posting may not fully understand "addiction", which generally comes with a heaping helping of "Once you start 'feeling good' by the definition of 'a good trip', you want to continue to feel good."

Not to mention, there's a whole "thing" about young people taking a while to mentally process that alcohol is "a chemical", in the same manner that Xanax and Adderall are chemicals. Because alcohol isn't sold like a controlled substance created in a lab, they don't "get" the severity; and just think of alcohol as "that fun party-time beverage". Do I think PH would necessarily have been the person to make that mistake, after her stint in recovery? I do not, but her coworkers might have ignored lead-up warning signs fueled by a surreptitious hard seltzer or two.

 

[Beth11311]

Morning Beth! I have much enjoyed reading your posts and admired you sharing your own past struggles.
I am sure anyone who has been with us through much of this case knows how adamant I am that PH did not OD. I didn’t believe that’s what happened while she was missing, even less so when she was found in a shallow grave, and even more so now that we know the history of the suspect on the loose.
My opinion is not based on any stigma or judgment towards any addicts. I have stated before it would be much more comforting to know PH died from an OD than the alternative. I’m sure most mom’s would feel the same about their beloved daughter. I just don’t believe that’s what happened here. I believe her past made it possible and believable to make a crime look like a recovering addict OD’d.
The problem is there are a variety of stories. People not telling the truth. Many gaps and inconsistencies. That does not happen when people are trying to protect someone close to them or a victim. That happens when one is a guilty party and one is protecting themselves and the suspect. I truly believe that had PH OD’d that night and had she gone out with close dear friends, those friends would have rendered help and they would have told the whole truth. Nothing about this case has sounded like an accidental OD to me from day 1. Even the #1 suspect has no drug record.

JMO

Hi! I love your posts and this one in particular - you’re sharing your opinion and in a way that is eloquent, not argumentative, and make excellent points to boot.

I wasn’t committed to any one narrative as to what happened and still am not sure. I agree, there are a lot of gaps, a lot of those close to PH seemingly being untruthful, for reasons unknown. While I think the OD narrative makes the most sense, I’m still unsure, because of the little information released. My post was more an observation in general of what I’ve seen in other cases, but I never sensed you were stigmatizing addiction in the least.

Lastly, thank you for being open to my personal experiences being shared. I know it can be a lot for some. I appreciate your post and point of view!

 

[ChuckInHouston]

Yeah, all just "flyover" areas not worth your time right? I live in an Appalachian border county and let me assure you if you drive an hour toward the mountains the rural towns are very very different than if you drive an hour toward the water.

Since your from there and it sounds like you are familiar with both, I believe you are probably right. My point exactly is that I have spent time in both, been to people's houses in both East Texas and this exact area of AL, although it has been years ago, they were very similar. I'm not trying to convince anyone. Just an observation, much the way the drug world is much the same most every where you go. I'm not saying there are not more upscale drug users, but I can tell you that the addicts in those categories have been slumming for lack of a better term to get drugs. I'm not sure what happened to PH. I'm not sure she was using. Best case, it was simple OD. I feel for her family.

 

[evilwise]

The heroin world could not be more different from the meth world but that's irrelevant. I doubt very much that Paighton woke up that morning with any intention of "slumming for drugs"

 

[Momof4RN]

Hi! I love your posts and this one in particular - you’re sharing your opinion and in a way that is eloquent, not argumentative, and make excellent points to boot.

I wasn’t committed to any one narrative as to what happened and still am not sure. I agree, there are a lot of gaps, a lot of those close to PH seemingly being untruthful, for reasons unknown. While I think the OD narrative makes the most sense, I’m still unsure, because of the little information released. My post was more an observation in general of what I’ve seen in other cases, but I never sensed you were stigmatizing addiction in the least.

Lastly, thank you for being open to my personal experiences being shared. I know it can be a lot for some. I appreciate your post and point of view!

Thank you. Back at you. And I really do hope i’m wrong on this one and PH died peacefully. But more than anything I hope PH’s mother and family find out the truth behind what really happened.

 

[What if...]

Let me start this post by stating that in MOST cases similar to this one, I would heavily lean towards a recovering addict having a relapse resulting in death by OD.

With that being said, I’m really questioning that being the case for PH. I find the timing and the content of her last text message pointing directly to foul play.

IMO, the “felt in trouble”, is directly related by context to the people she was with and not a reference by her to the possibility that she may have OD’d. Someone earlier in this thread stated that they had their own struggles at one time with heroin and had actually OD’d. According to that poster, a heroin OD is not something you feel coming on. It hits you instantaneously and there is no seeking help for yourself as you won’t even be aware of the event until it’s over.

I do understand the drive behind an addict’s need for the next fix, but I cannot fathom PH voluntarily taking any drugs if she was already concerned enough with the situation at hand to feel compelled to send an ominous text to her friend. That, coupled with the information provided by other posters personnel experience with the area, she would have been aware of the dangers at hand.
I believe self preservation would trump the desire to get high. I imagine that there are very few addicts that use in the hopes that something bad will happen to them. The addiction itself is a twisted thought process that makes them feel as though the drug is, in its own right, a measure of self preservation and a needed coping mechanism for life itself.

MOO for all the above

In regards to the text message, I’ll also add that I’m a little perplexed with PH’s statement that she “didn’t know the people she was with”. From all accounts, she apparently KNEW PH well enough to willingly leave the bar with him. There may be nothing to infer, but I personally find it to be an oddity.

 

[Van Helsing]

Someone with first had experience posted that for a recovered addict, anything that causes a dopamine release can trigger a craving for drugs. I think this means than many normal pleasures in life might need to be avoided or at least tempered. This has to be a very difficult life and must require great discipline. I have great respect for you who are slaying this dragon and empathy for anyone who stumbles along the way.

 

[ajaylee]

Let me start this post by stating that in MOST cases similar to this one, I would heavily lean towards a recovering addict having a relapse resulting in death by OD.

With that being said, I’m really questioning that being the case for PH. I find the timing and the content of her last text message pointing directly to foul play.

In regards to the text message, I’ll also add that I’m a little perplexed with PH’s statement that she “didn’t know the people she was with”. From all accounts, she apparently KNEW PH well enough to willingly leave the bar with him. There may be nothing to infer, but I personally find it to be an oddity.

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I agree. She left with FH and presumably was in his company for a couple hours before she sent the text. She also apparently was unsure about her safety when she sent the text, but wasn't quite ready to run for the exit.

That does mystify me a bit. Also, I believe TOD was estimated to be around 3:00 AM. I think she might have been caught texting and things rapidly went bad from there.

If FH abducted PH to share her with his friends, she may have been forcibly drugged to lower her ability to physically resist. If that happened. she could easily have been given too much and OD'd.

 

[What if...]

IMO, the fact that PH was buried also leads me to believe there is foul play at hand. IF it was in fact an OD due to relapse, then wouldn’t it have been much easier to just dump her body in one of the many “burnt out houses” that are apparently in abundance in the general area? If found in an abandoned house, and given her background with addiction issues, I think it would have easily been written off as an accidental overdose. The only oddity in that scenario would have been the fact that she was a white girl from a more upscale neighborhood found in a predominately black low income area. But even this could have been seen as result of the addiction taking her to places that would seem out of the norm for her.

Now add the fact that the individual that apparently buried her has spent 20+ years of his life behind bars for committing a heinous sexual assault... I personally believe that the assumption of a straight forward accidental OD has to be considered the LEAST LIKELY scenario for this case.
MOO....