Found Deceased AL - Paighton Houston, 29, left bar with 2 men, Birmingham, 20 Dec 2019 #5

[Momof4RN]

I think it's fair to ask what a recently paroled 50 year old black male gang rapist would have in common with Paighton Houston? Seems like an odd couple at best. I get that we are all looking for the silver lining here, but it just doesn't really make sense.

Possibly a mutual acquaintance? Or place of employment? Could he have at one time driven trucks for the company?

 

[Deleted member 110058]

We can agree to disagree on this but when a corpse is buried in the ground for approximately 14 days, decomposition has set in and it would be difficult for coroner.

I disagree the cause of death will not be determined. I think "no physical trauma that could lead to death" clearly says we are waiting for toxicology and final autopsy report. (i.e., PH body was not buried so long that investigators could determine there was no physical trauma to her body). MOO

The DA discusses decomposition of this body in her interview. I believe it is in the first video but might be in the 2nd.

Jefferson Co. district attorney asks for tips as search continues for suspect Fredrick Hampton

 

[PhineasC]

Possibly drugs? Or the promise of? JMO I don’t know nuttin’.

That's where I'm at, but I don't want to be accused of "blaming the victim." I get that we all feel really bad for PH and her family. This whole situation is bad.

 

[PhineasC]

Possibly a mutual acquaintance? Or place of employment? Could he have at one time driven trucks for the company?

Definitely possible. As an ex-felon, it's tough to get a job with any real responsibility, however. That makes it less likely.

 

[katydid23]

Usually that's the best advice but, "there is no evidence there was any force" in regards to what, exactly? Dancing? Drinks? Hmm... in the context of the circumstances, who she was with and who she left with, appears to be what that comment is about. I could be completely wrong, but it doesn't make any sense why that was said, unless it's in reference to her leaving the bar that night.

If that was actually PH who sent the text about feeling uncomfortable, then that shows she wasn't taken from the bar by force, imo. Her text seems to imply she was voluntarily with someone and NOW it was getting weird. JMO

 

[Beekarina]

Do they have to have much in common to have hit it off in a bar?

I'm not trying to come off as disrespectful to PH, but people do go out to bars and hook up with people they wouldn't necessarily have relationships with. We also still do not know who else is involved. PH mentioned other people. Maybe some of the other people were young and attractive?

As for speculation about her preferences, those are not always set in stone.

Obviously, FH is guilty of something awful. Probably a lot. He can be guilty of terrible crimes AND PH could have left unwillingly.

If PH and FH left together around 10:45, and PH sent the text saying she didn't know where she was, or who she was with at 12:15, that's still roughly an hour with FH, give it take. A little less if they're traveling the 15 miles to the first house. It shouldn't take that long just to get there, right?

What happened between 10:45-12:15?

 

[bwt42]

Possibly a mutual acquaintance? Or place of employment? Could he have at one time driven trucks for the company?

One thing we kinda overlooked earlier when all that madness was going on, blaming the coworker & hinting that she didn't even make it to the TR was how was she gonna make it home if she left her coworker. I think we would have a better idea of why she left with FH if we knew what was going on with her coworkers that night. LE probably knows what caused her to leave with FH but we may never.

 

[Beekarina]

Possibly a mutual acquaintance? Or place of employment? Could he have at one time driven trucks for the company?

are we allowed to sleuth the trucking company? I wondered earlier if he might have worked there too. Maybe day labor? Loading trucks?

 

[PhineasC]

Do they have to have much in common to have hit it off in a bar?

I'm not trying to come off as disrespectful to PH, but people do go out to bars and hook up with people they wouldn't necessarily have relationships with. We also still do not know who else is involved. PH mentioned other people. Maybe some of the other people were young and attractive?

As for speculation about her preferences, those are not always set in stone.

Obviously, FH is guilty of something awful. Probably a lot. He can be guilty of terrible crimes AND PH could have left unwillingly.

If PH and FH left together around 10:45, and PH sent the text saying she didn't know where she was, or who she was with at 12:15, that's still roughly an hour with FH, give it take. A little less if they're traveling the 15 miles to the first house. It shouldn't take that long just to get there, right?

What happened between 10:45-12:15?

Just applying Occam's Razor, it seems pretty unlikely they simply randomly met in a bar and PH thought they were headed to a "fun party" or whatever. I know this theory would mean PH was 100% the innocent victim and that creates more convenient closure here, but just MOO that is not the case and not supported by logic.

 

[bwt42]

Do they have to have much in common to have hit it off in a bar?

I'm not trying to come off as disrespectful to PH, but people do go out to bars and hook up with people they wouldn't necessarily have relationships with. We also still do not know who else is involved. PH mentioned other people. Maybe some of the other people were young and attractive?

As for speculation about her preferences, those are not always set in stone.

Obviously, FH is guilty of something awful. Probably a lot. He can be guilty of terrible crimes AND PH could have left unwillingly.

If PH and FH left together around 10:45, and PH sent the text saying she didn't know where she was, or who she was with at 12:15, that's still roughly an hour with FH, give it take. A little less if they're traveling the 15 miles to the first house. It shouldn't take that long just to get there, right?

What happened between 10:45-12:15?

From what LE has already said, I think they have an answer to a lot of our questions. The coworkers most likely know a lot of answers. Unless someone writes a book, we my never know.

 

[Momof4RN]

are we allowed to sleuth the trucking company? I wondered earlier if he might have worked there too. Maybe day labor? Loading trucks?

I haven’t and think it’s off limits here. It’s just a thought that jumped on my head since we know she went to this bar with coworkers. And then something the DA said about being unsure if they had prior connections. Made me wonder if at some time he worked there and they haven’t figured out if they ever connected at work yet. Moo

 

[Momof4RN]

From what LE has already said, I think they have an answer to a lot of our questions. The coworkers most likely know a lot of answers. Unless someone writes a book, we my never know.

Well yes but according to the DA they all have different answers.

 

[bwt42]

are we allowed to sleuth the trucking company? I wondered earlier if he might have worked there too. Maybe day labor? Loading trucks?

It would be okay to see if he ever worked there.

 

[Seattle1]

If PH and FH left together around 10:45, and PH sent the text saying she didn't know where she was, or who she was with at 12:15, that's still roughly an hour with FH, give it take. A little less if they're traveling the 15 miles to the first house. It shouldn't take that long just to get there, right?

What happened between 10:45-12:15?

^^sbm

I think PH willingly left the TRB with individual(s) which may have included FH and it was probably when she reached the Brighton residence when she "didn't know who she was with" and where her text originated.

I also believe investigators are satisfied PH left TRB and with whom -- and now working to determine what and who happened in the McClain Street residence where PH died. MOO

ETA: correct to McClain Street

 

[Ontario Mom]

^^sbm

I think PH willingly left the TRB with individual(s) which may have included FH and it was probably when she reached the Brighton residence when she "didn't know who she was with" and where her text originated.

I also believe investigators are satisfied PH left TRB and with whom -- and now working to determine what and who happened in the McClinton residence where PH died. MOO

I'm leaning toward agreeing with all of that, at this point. Except it's McClain.

 

[Aurea]

I would think anybody that spent 20 years in prison would know what may or may not

I just want Fred. Let's get him!!! He knows what happened. I believe he was the chosen one to bury her.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I would think anybody that spent 20 years in prison would know what may or may not

I just want Fred. Let's get him!!! He knows what happened. I believe he was the chosen one to bury her.

May or may not... what? Your posts are often hard to understand because you're replying to someone's comment without clicking the "reply" under their post, to include their comment in your response. Without that, it's tricky to follow the flow of thought.

 

[ChuckInHouston]

Do they have to have much in common to have hit it off in a bar?

I'm not trying to come off as disrespectful to PH, but people do go out to bars and hook up with people they wouldn't necessarily have relationships with. We also still do not know who else is involved. PH mentioned other people. Maybe some of the other people were young and attractive?

As for speculation about her preferences, those are not always set in stone.

Obviously, FH is guilty of something awful. Probably a lot. He can be guilty of terrible crimes AND PH could have left unwillingly.

If PH and FH left together around 10:45, and PH sent the text saying she didn't know where she was, or who she was with at 12:15, that's still roughly an hour with FH, give it take. A little less if they're traveling the 15 miles to the first house. It shouldn't take that long just to get there, right?

What happened between 10:45-12:15?

I have a feeling something similar to what happened to put him in prison the first time. Showed up at the house and there were multiple other dudes there. Maybe some uncomfortable comments that hipped her to the fact that something she wasn’t into was fixing to go down. Hopefully not, but leopards never change their spots and rapists rarely change their MO.

 

[Aurea]

I live in the hood so have to remain sonewhat stealth.....

 

[bwt42]

^^sbm

I think PH willingly left the TRB with individual(s) which may have included FH and it was probably when she reached the Brighton residence when she "didn't know who she was with" and where her text originated.

I also believe investigators are satisfied PH left TRB and with whom -- and now working to determine what and who happened in the McClain Street residence where PH died. MOO

ETA: correct to McClain Street

The time line we've been given is 1 1/2 hrs. from leaving TR to text message. If PH & FH went directly to McClain St. the text would have to be sent after she was there awhile. Of course they may have made other stops.