Found Deceased AL - Paighton Houston, 29, left bar with 2 men, Birmingham, 20 Dec 2019 #5

[Momof4RN]

Well according to LE they have evidence she died at the house on McClain if that’s true what could be the evidence? If it were substantial amounts of blood then how can they say she had no physical evidence of harm?

"What we know is no physical trauma to the body of the victim would have led to her death. We have evidence the victim and the offender were together the night of Dec. 20, 2019,'' said Sheriff’s Office Deputy Chief David Agee in a Thursday press conference.
Paighton Houston update: Man charged with abuse of corpse, no physical trauma led to death

They didn’t they said she had no physical trauma that would have led to her death.
People get harmed everyday and those injuries don’t necessarily cause death.
Meaning he could have punched her eye, broken her nose, knocked out teeth causing some blood evidence but not injuries that would have led to her death. Moo

 

[stattlich1]

Well according to LE they have evidence she died at the house on McClain if that’s true what could be the evidence? If it were substantial amounts of blood then how can they say she had no physical evidence of harm?

I posted this before, it's nasty, I apologize ahead of time, but it is what it is. Evidence of her death at that particular location could be through DNA of bodily fluids.

"As muscles relax, sphincter tone diminishes, and urine and feces will pass."

What Physically Happens to Your Body Right After Death

 

[Seattle1]

"What we know is no physical trauma to the body of the victim would have led to her death. We have evidence the victim and the offender were together the night of Dec. 20, 2019,'' said Sheriff’s Office Deputy Chief David Agee in a Thursday press conference.
Paighton Houston update: Man charged with abuse of corpse, no physical trauma led to death

They didn’t they said she had no physical trauma that would have led to her death.
People get harmed everyday and those injuries don’t necessarily cause death.
Meaning he could have punched her eye, broken her nose, knocked out teeth causing some blood evidence but not injuries that would have led to her death. Moo

Respectfully, the title of your link states otherwise as well as other MSM posts citing the DA , the sheriff, and ME.

 

[Momof4RN]

Respectfully, the title of your link states otherwise as well as other MSM posts citing the DA , the sheriff, and ME.

What Agee could say was that there was “no physical trauma to the body of the victim that could have led to her death.”

Paighton Houston cause of death still unknown as JCSO searches for identified suspect

The title says no physical trauma led to her death. But here is another source. The Chief never said there was no physical trauma. He said there was no trauma that led to her death.

The DA further stated

Washington says, “Her body had started decomposing so we lost a lot of evidence that we could have been able to get had she had been located earlier. Right now we are just waiting on that report to see what we can glean from her remains.”

Jefferson Co. district attorney asks for tips as search continues for suspect in Paighton Houston case

You can interpret their words as u like. I absolutely believe PH fought an assault. MOO

 

[DTPeke]

I posted this before, it's nasty, I apologize ahead of time, but it is what it is. Evidence of her death at that particular location could be through DNA of bodily fluids.

"As muscles relax, sphincter tone diminishes, and urine and feces will pass."

What Physically Happens to Your Body Right After Death

It is gruesome but a sad fact.

What is still "unknown" is WHEN her body was transported to the Chapel Street house.

Her body could have been there (McClain) for days before being transported to her burial site. Leaving plenty of evidence of her death at that location. Without being anymore graphic, depending on the timeline her body could have been in any of the stages of decomposition that would leave clear evidence of her death.​

 

[Deleted member 110058]

Well according to LE they have evidence she died at the house on McClain if that’s true what could be the evidence? If it were substantial amounts of blood then how can they say she had no physical evidence of harm?

BBM
To me the most simple answer is that someone who was there (Brighton home) watched whatever happened, happen. They reported the tip to Crime Stopper and since they needed to cover their A**... they also told LE.
Unfortunately, FH had already been released from his 48hr Staycay...and had taken off.

 

[evilwise]

What Agee could say was that there was “no physical trauma to the body of the victim that could have led to her death.”

Paighton Houston cause of death still unknown as JCSO searches for identified suspect

The title says no physical trauma led to her death. But here is another source. The Chief never said there was no physical trauma. He said there was no trauma that led to her death.

The DA further stated

Washington says, “Her body had started decomposing so we lost a lot of evidence that we could have been able to get had she had been located earlier. Right now we are just waiting on that report to see what we can glean from her remains.”

Jefferson Co. district attorney asks for tips as search continues for suspect in Paighton Houston case

You can interpret their words as u like. I absolutely believe PH fought an assault. MOO

To me, the subtext is that her body shows evidence of sexual assault. This is Fred's MO

 

[Deleted member 110058]

Has any of you been able to determine if FH has a car registered in his name? I have been unable to find one.

 

[Momma2cam]

What Agee could say was that there was “no physical trauma to the body of the victim that could have led to her death.”

Paighton Houston cause of death still unknown as JCSO searches for identified suspect

The title says no physical trauma led to her death. But here is another source. The Chief never said there was no physical trauma. He said there was no trauma that led to her death.

The DA further stated

Washington says, “Her body had started decomposing so we lost a lot of evidence that we could have been able to get had she had been located earlier. Right now we are just waiting on that report to see what we can glean from her remains.”

Jefferson Co. district attorney asks for tips as search continues for suspect in Paighton Houston case

You can interpret their words as u like. I absolutely believe PH fought an assault. MOO

My hesitation with this is that they indicated there was no sign of force. Wouldn't evidence of fighting an assault be consistent with force?

 

[Momof4RN]

My hesitation with this is that they indicated there was no sign of force. Wouldn't evidence of fighting an assault be consistent with force?

The sheriff’s office believes that Houston was with Hampton on the night of Dec. 20, 2019, and “there was no evidence of any force” in her leaving the bar.
Paighton Houston cause of death still unknown as JCSO searches for identified suspect

Investigators said there is no evidence Houston was taken against her will or by force.
https://www.trussvilletribune.com/2...ase-not-in-custody-trussville-police-respond/
My understanding of that was in reference to leaving the bar. Left willingly, not by force, no evidence of kidnapping.

 

[DTPeke]

Has any of you been able to determine if FH has a car registered in his name? I have been unable to find one.

I have not searched and doubt we could put it on here.

He is either long gone or somewhere hiding in Alabama.

I was happy to finally see an article about the case in my local Houston paper.....but annoyed there was no picture.

ETA: let's hope he is unable to cross multiple state lines

 

[Seattle1]

It is gruesome but a sad fact.

What is still "unknown" is WHEN her body was transported to the Chapel Street house.

Her body could have been there (McClain) for days before being transported to her burial site. Leaving plenty of evidence of her death at that location. Without being anymore graphic, depending on the timeline her body could have been in any of the stages of decomposition that would leave clear evidence of her death.​

The police chief stated in the presser that there is evidence that PH and FH were together on 12/20, and that PH died on 12/21 at the Brighton residence.

The house where PH's body was finally located was known vacant for some time -- and easily accessible to FH. It doesn't follow that PH's body would remain in Brighton for any extended amount of time past her death since there appeared to be no obstacles in place preventing FH to get to the burial location, not to mention that the purpose of burying PH was most likely to hide evidence of a crime that could be connected to FH.

MOO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Has any of you been able to determine if FH has a car registered in his name? I have been unable to find one.

Just catching up this evening, but as far as I know, FH has not been connected to any type of vehicle named by either LE or MSM. That doesn't mean he doesn't have one, it just means that LE is not releasing that info, for whatever reasons.

 

[DTPeke]

To me, the subtext is that her body shows evidence of sexual assault. This is Fred's MO

Sadly I agree. They do say past behavior is often a predictor of future behavior. Granted in not every person or case but it sure does show what one is capable of.

1992 Convictions: from Sex Offender Registry
1st degree Rape
1st degree Sodomy

Offender along with seven (7) other men committed Rape 1st and Sodomy 1st on an adult female

snipped from appeal

2nd Degree Kidnapping (reversed on appeal on the following): The court's failure to charge on unlawful imprisonment in the second degree as a lesser included offense of kidnapping in the second degree constitutes reversible error.
​

If you are capable of raping a pregnant woman with 7 other men (one being your brother); I highly doubt you are wrapping a body in sheets out of compassion before burial.

Link to appeal for reference
Hampton v. State

 

[bwt42]

Just catching up this evening, but as far as I know, FH has not been connected to any type of vehicle named by either LE or MSM. That doesn't mean he doesn't have one, it just means that LE is not releasing that info, for whatever reasons.

Total lack of information about him. In a case that received so much attention you would think a reporter would do a little story on what he's been doing since his release.

 

[Seattle1]

Jan 16, 2020

Breaking News Warrant in Connection with Houston's Death

John Huddleston @Fox6Joh video news report live from Jefferson County Sheriff's Dept:

".....Officials said nothing about this being a homicide... their comments lead you to believe this was not one....."

Authorities actively searching for registered sex offender in connection to Paighton Houston’s death

 

[Seajay]

Jan 16, 2020

Breaking News Warrant in Connection with Houston's Death

John Huddleston @Fox6Joh video news report live from Jefferson County Sheriff's Dept:

".....Officials said nothing about this being a homicide... their comments lead you to believe this was not one....."

Authorities actively searching for registered sex offender in connection to Paighton Houston’s death

Hmmmm. Not calling it a homicide. Interesting! That indicates self inflicted. IMO

 

[DTPeke]

Jan 16, 2020

Breaking News Warrant in Connection with Houston's Death

John Huddleston @Fox6Joh video news report live from Jefferson County Sheriff's Dept:

".....Officials said nothing about this being a homicide... their comments lead you to believe this was not one....."

Authorities actively searching for registered sex offender in connection to Paighton Houston’s death

Hmmmm. Not calling it a homicide. Interesting! That indicates self inflicted. IMO

I guess I have fallen behind again. Where are y'all seeing this.

They have never called this a homicide. They have been very clear from the start it was ongoing death investigation awaiting toxicology results. You can't call it anything at this point. We still need MOD and COD.

When I go to this link it is the original presser from days ago?

 

[Seattle1]

I guess I have fallen behind again. Where are y'all seeing this.

They have never called this a homicide. They have been very clear from the start it was ongoing death investigation awaiting toxicology results. You can't call it anything at this point. We still need MOD and COD.

When I go to this link it is the original presser from days ago?

Scroll down the page past the presser and photo of the house where PH's body was buried. John Huddleston's news video under the title Breaking News Warrant in Connection with Houston's Death. Investigative reporter's observation only.

 

[distracted]

Scroll down the page past the presser and photo of the house where PH's body was buried. John Huddleston's news video under the title Breaking News Warrant in Connection with Houston's Death. Investigative reporter's observation only.

None of this is directed at you, @Seattle1. I just included your quote for reference.

I don't think we should read too much into the comments by LE and this reporter. And I also think they're irresponsible, at least on the part of the reporter considering the autopsy results have not been released.

LE often misleads the public. Deputy Chief Agee's statement of "no evidence" means no evidence at this moment or "no evidence" that we are revealing at this moment. It doesn't mean that evidence isn't forthcoming.

Also, you don't bury a body in a backyard if you're not guilty of something. It seems to me that the media is making too big a deal of her going with him willingly. Unless they were privy to the conversation, nobody knows whether she went willingly or not. And even if she did, at some point she may have wanted to leave and was prevented from leaving.

I really hope her family learns the truth.