GUILTY AL - Savannah Hardin, 9, forced to run til she died, Etowah Co., 17 Feb 2012

[FrayedKnot]

Maybe I am jaded, but bladder issues raise HUGE red flags for me. I immediately think sexual abuse. And it very well may have been nothing of the kind. And yet, there it is.....poor Savannah.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[x_files]

Maybe I am jaded, but bladder issues raise HUGE red flags for me. I immediately think sexual abuse. And it very well may have been nothing of the kind. And yet, there it is.....poor Savannah.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Same thing first thought crossed my mind too. I think I am jaded from following all these horrible cases with tragic endings.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Well, that attorney for Ms Joyce can kiss my grits! She is already being tried in my court of public opionion.

She was there during the abuse and did NOTHING to stop it.

How dare she say Savannah was beloved to her? If she were, Savannah would be sitting at her school desk learning and drawing pictures.

Actually, she did the abuse and the stepmother did nothing to stop it.

She is the one who made Savannah run.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Sounds like her bladder conditions is from the abuse, not chocolate or caffeine.

From the articles I've read, her bladder condition was a common one for girls her age.

I haven't read it was caused by abuse.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/17002766/neighbors-describe-scene-of-hardin-home-on-friday

Breathtakingly beautiful!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://m.abc3340.com/default.aspx?p...-was-fighting-for-custody?clienttype=rssstory

Savannah Hardin's mother was fighting for custody

Right now, Savannah's mother lives in Florida and actually had a court date set for next month to try to regain custody.

The custody battle and welfare visits began years ago.

Last summer, her mother started fighting to get her daughter back under the pretense that she was never allowed to see Savannah and that Hardin was taking the child to Wisconsin.


In December, Savannah's mother was ordered to undergo a psyche evaluation and Savannah was to remain in Alabama until a March hearing.

 

[tiredblondy]

I still remember it. Our school was having one of those see's candy bar sales and I took home a box to sell. I was about 9 years old at the time. Yah, tell me I can't have one of those chocie bars! Well I scoffed 3 or 4 and tried to hide it from my mom until it was time to turn in the money.

No my mom didn't make me run around the house for 3 hours, but I did have to mow the lawn, clean out the pool (leaves n' such), clean my room, and wasn't allowed to play outside (which is all I EVER did) for weeks.

I remember the shame mostly, because she called me a lying little theif Kids don't forget that (or at least I never did). I remember her telling me that I might as well go to the store and steal their chocolate bars because it was the same thing. I never did no theiving again.

MOO

Mel

:innocent:My daughter ate the WHOLE box. I found the wrappers under her bed one day. Needless to say I called the school and sent written instructions that she was never allowed to bring home anything edible that they were selling ever. They agreed LOL.

She was grounded ( which meant no tv at that time) and had to earn the money to pay for it.

 

[tiredblondy]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/22/justic...rge/index.html

Scroll down to the comments and read the one by Jane1979.

What do you want to bet that Grandma had a lot to do with Dad suing for custody of Samantha?

Grandma just looks mad at the world. I wouldn't want to live with her.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/22/justic...rge/index.html

Scroll down to the comments and read the one by Jane1979.

What do you want to bet that Grandma had a lot to do with Dad suing for custody of Samantha?

Grandma just looks mad at the world. I wouldn't want to live with her.

That link will not work for me. I'm on my phone though. Not sure if that's why.

It says page not found.

 

[Reader]

I couldn't get the link either from my computer. I did read something in an article's comments today where somebody who said they knew the family called the grandmother evil and mean to the child.

 

[MsFacetious]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/22/justice/alabama-girl-murder-charge/index.html

Can they add a charge of torture for this? Three hours without water? First making a kid run around the house as punishment is odd, second more than 5 minutes for a kid that age is cruel, third the whole thing is extremely stupid.

Just out of curiousity, how would the people on this board with children have punished this child?

I don't have kids, but if there was a desert with dinner that night I wouldn't give her any or grounded for a day depending on the reason why she wasn't allowed to have candy.

I have two kids, with various health issues, allergies and intolerances.
Neither one can have gluten/wheat or artificial dyes.
My younger one is also allergic to eggs and she cannot have too much meat protein.

So we have to watch what she eats and she can only have meat every other day.
She also has a heart condition and can't have caffeine or much sugar.
She ALSO is constantly getting into food she shouldn't have.

She isn't lacking... still gets candy canes, Halloween candy, birthday cakes, pies at holidays and whatever we eat for dinner...

This isn't a "she might wet the bed" situation for us.
When she was diagnosed with the protein issue she nearly died before we figured it out. It is a major deal.
If her heart rate goes too fast, it will require emergency surgery to fix that or she will die. Also major.

Yet... I just watch her like a hawk. When I realize she got into something, I adjust her diet as if she got meat if I'm not sure.
I check her vitals, to make sure it wasn't sugar. I keep the problem foods in the garage or locked pantry so she can't get them.

IF I found out my child got into something that could make her sick? It would depend on how serious it was.

In the past we have:
Simply allowed her to get sick - natural consequence. Projectile vomiting... horrific stomach pain. She punishes herself.
If she got into something like a Taco and we were going to a Mexican restaurant? She doesn't get to go, or can't get a Taco if she does.

Taken her to the ER once because it was a major deal... and made sure they drew blood while we were there. :innocent:

Or, if it was something that wasn't going to make her sick... sometimes, I just pretend it didn't happen. :blushing: I have to pick my battles. :twocents:

With this situation?
I wouldn't have allowed her to have a candy bar the next time we had one. (Which would have been that night, for quick effect.)

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

My son suffered with Vesicoureteral Reflux (also known as VUR). I see it's been reported Samantha suffered from this condition. Believe me when I say, this condition is strictly congenital and not caused by abuse. My son's VUR was discovered in May 2009 (he was 7yrs old) -- he had a surgical repair of his right ureter in July 2009.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vesicoureteral-reflux/DS00999

Most children grow out of VUR by the age of 6. Those who do not are candidates for one of two surgical procedures. I'm wondering if Samantha had one of these procedures or if she was receiving continuing treatment and care.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

My son suffered with Vesicoureteral Reflux (also known as VUR). I see it's been reported Samantha suffered from this condition. Believe me when I say, this condition is strictly congenital and not caused by abuse. My son's VUR was discovered in May 2009 (he was 7yrs old) -- he had a surgical repair of his right ureter in July 2009.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vesicoureteral-reflux/DS00999

Most children grow out of VUR by the age of 6. Those who do not are candidates for one of two surgical procedures. I'm wondering if Samantha had one of these procedures or if she was receiving continuing treatment and care.

Thank you for the personal insight.
I pray your son is well.

 

[jjenny]

My son suffered with Vesicoureteral Reflux (also known as VUR). I see it's been reported Samantha suffered from this condition. Believe me when I say, this condition is strictly congenital and not caused by abuse. My son's VUR was discovered in May 2009 (he was 7yrs old) -- he had a surgical repair of his right ureter in July 2009.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vesicoureteral-reflux/DS00999

Most children grow out of VUR by the age of 6. Those who do not are candidates for one of two surgical procedures. I'm wondering if Samantha had one of these procedures or if she was receiving continuing treatment and care.

The link says the child with this condition should be encouraged to drink fluids. I think it's rather obvious that if they were so concerned about the child eating chocolate, running her around made no sense whatsoever.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

Great link of causes of VUR,

http://www.vurinfo.com/vur_causes.html

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

The link says the child with this condition should be encouraged to drink fluids. I think it's rather obvious that if they were so concerned about the child eating chocolate, running her around made no sense whatsoever.

I agree. I think they used her VUR as an excuse in afterthought. Savannah shouldn't have continued to suffer from this condition at her age. She was long past due for surgical intervention. I have to wonder if there will also be some medical neglect charges. I doubt we will hear about it, but I admit to being curious if she was under the care of a pediatric urologist.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I agree. I think they used her VUR as an excuse in afterthought. Savannah shouldn't have continued to suffer from this condition at her age. She was long past due for surgical intervention. I have to wonder if there will also be some medical neglect charges. I doubt we will hear about it, but I admit to being curious if she was under the care of a pediatric urologist.

According to the divorce/custody papers, the father said she saw a urologist in Birmingham several times a year IIRC.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Court documents show strained relationship between Savannah Hardin's parents

Hundreds of pages of court documents concerning the divorce and custody proceedings of Savannah Hardin's biological parents have shed light on the family's history.

Savannah's father Robert Hardin and her biological mother, Heather, shared joint custody of Savannah after divorcing in 2006. Heather, who lives in Florida, served as primary custodial parent.

But in May 2011, Robert filed a petition to have that agreement changed. He told the courts that he could provide a more stable environment for Savannah, claiming that her mother's lifestyle was not fit for custody of a child. Custody was eventually granted to Savannah's father.

Robert explained medical problems that Savannah had which required continuous treatment. He stated that every three to six months Savannah would visit a urologist in Birmingham. Urologists treat patients with urinary and bladder issues.

http://m.myfoxal.com/autojuice?targ...relationship-between-savannah-hardins-parents

The information about the urologist can be found in this post/link.

The father days Savannah saw a urologist every 3-6 months.

 

[Steely Dan]

I have two kids, with various health issues, allergies and intolerances.
Neither one can have gluten/wheat or artificial dyes.
My younger one is also allergic to eggs and she cannot have too much meat protein.

So we have to watch what she eats and she can only have meat every other day.
She also has a heart condition and can't have caffeine or much sugar.
She ALSO is constantly getting into food she shouldn't have.

She isn't lacking... still gets candy canes, Halloween candy, birthday cakes, pies at holidays and whatever we eat for dinner...

This isn't a "she might wet the bed" situation for us.
When she was diagnosed with the protein issue she nearly died before we figured it out. It is a major deal.
If her heart rate goes too fast, it will require emergency surgery to fix that or she will die. Also major.

Yet... I just watch her like a hawk. When I realize she got into something, I adjust her diet as if she got meat if I'm not sure.
I check her vitals, to make sure it wasn't sugar. I keep the problem foods in the garage or locked pantry so she can't get them.

IF I found out my child got into something that could make her sick? It would depend on how serious it was.

In the past we have:
Simply allowed her to get sick - natural consequence. Projectile vomiting... horrific stomach pain. She punishes herself.
If she got into something like a Taco and we were going to a Mexican restaurant? She doesn't get to go, or can't get a Taco if she does.

Taken her to the ER once because it was a major deal... and made sure they drew blood while we were there. :innocent:

Or, if it was something that wasn't going to make her sick... sometimes, I just pretend it didn't happen. :blushing: I have to pick my battles. :twocents:

With this situation?
I wouldn't have allowed her to have a candy bar the next time we had one. (Which would have been that night, for quick effect.)

Just to let you know, one of my ex girlfriends had heart surgery when she was very young and I was dating her in her 20's, I was the same age so this was a long time ago. She was fine. So even if your daughter does eventually need heart surgery it's very survivable. :hug:

 

[tiredblondy]

Sorry guys about the link, try this one to find the comments and the one I referenced above. I just tried it and it worked.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/22/justice/alabama-girl-murder-charge/index.html


and just an fyi I still think that Grandmother looks mean.