AL - Teen Kills Five Family Members, Limestone County, 3 Sept 2019 *mistrial, retrial 2023*

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possibly due to circumstances & factors outside a killer's control, such as upbringing and hereditary, can have a defining effect on the way they behave. biology/genes can give someone vulnerable a high potential in becoming a psychopath. non-violent psychopaths could be due (to the love of a parent/s?
(just IMO MOO)
 
  • #102
possibly due to circumstances & factors outside a killer's control, such as upbringing and hereditary, can have a defining effect on the way they behave. biology/genes can give someone vulnerable a high potential in becoming a psychopath. non-violent psychopaths could be due (to the love of a parent/s?
(just IMO MOO)

Psychopaths come from all walks of life including having very supportive parents,and a strong family unit.

They often can have many other sibling from the same parents, and they will be the only one who isnt a law abiding individual, and the only one who has made life difficult within the family unit. Therefore, we see at times they are referred to in society as a "bad seed."

Imo, from reading extensively for decades about psychopaths they often had those around them that enabled them.

Enablers are like fuel to the psychopath. Some become dangerous enablers in families because they are so hard to deal with so they believe trying to appease them is the only way to have some peace within the family. Others will make continuous excuses trying to diminish the seriousness of it. Both works to embolden the psychopath even more.

They often show outsiders what they want them to see including being very charismatic, friendly, respectful, and charming. Etc.

While psychopaths aren't legally deemed to be one until the legal age of 18 years of age it starts much much sooner.

That is why I found the article titled "Can a 9 year old be a psychopath?" so revealing because it's actually written by the psychopath themself who knows he is still one even today, and always will be.

Imo, these traits didnt develop once this teen found out his stepmom wasn't his biological mother. I would suspect, like often happens there may have been traits in his very early age many years ago.

Imo, it's impossible for any mental health professional to put a conscience inside anyone who does not have one.

It wouldn't surprise me if he responded to events in his life with an abnormal flat affect response when they happened.

It takes someone to be devoid of all human feelings for all other human beings to be capable of cold blood murder of defenseless children including a helpless 6 months old baby.

Imo, It caused him no more emotional responses when wiping out his entire family than it did when he set helpless animals on fire when alive.

I believe they know this teen's case must be moved to adult court to make sure society is protected from him for as long as possible.

While those under the age of 18 can't be given the DP nor receive LWOP, the states are allowed to bring forth enhancement evidence showing why they deserve a much harsher sentence if convicted. Murdering 5 victims is certainly one of those cases that must be weighed when deciding if a harsher sentence is necessary, and must be seriously considered.

Jmho
 
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  • #103
The mother was a drug addict and in and out of his life it appears The father had a sex offense as well as was going to be recently tried for an armed burglary.

Who knows what kind of trauma he suffered and if the trauma was at a particularly vulnerable age.

We know plenty about how to raise children. We are learning even more because of the ability to look at brains. We know about cortisol and it’s affects.

Many schools in the Midwest are being trained in Adverse Childhood Experiences. Communities are training doctors, social workers, teachers and schools to work together to recognize vulnerable children.

We don’t know how he was treated at home nor do we know what happened while he was in custody of his biological mother.

Using fire is a sigh of sexual abuse
 
  • #104
Using fire is a sign of sexual abuse.

That's very interesting Human. Do you perhaps have a link?

So all arsonists were sexually abused?

I do know killing defenseless animals is often found in the history of serial killers as well as sociopaths/psychopaths.

But in the end, the truth is millions of children are abused every year, including sexual abuse, yet the vast majority do not set fire to living animals nor do they ever wipe their families out either

So once again as always it's the individual mindset that puts these horrific appalling violent crimes into play.

If not then all abused, and traumatized children would all do these reprehensible things, which does not happen.

No doubt that many of the other abused children were far more abused than this murderer.

Has there been recorded evidence he was physically, and sexually abused? TIA.

I do know he came from a very dysfunctional family, but then sadly millions of other children come from a highly dysfunctional family. However they dont become mass murderers nor burn poor animals alive.

Setting defenseless animals on fire while alive to watch them die in agony goes far beyond being abused as the excuse for doing so. Imo

Jmho
 
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There are so many studies.

This is older but very interesting relating sex abuse and fire setting.

NEW STUDY ON CHILDREN WHO SET FIRES
He was not starting fires or playing with matches. He was burning live animals reportedly. That's not arson as the article deals with. I'm sure as always there's a name for it. But, I'm not looking it up. Uneducated guess, he was in pain and wanted to inflict pain on others.
I'd like to know his condition now as he sits in jail. Is he remorseful, suicidal, catatonic...what!
 
  • #107
Someone mentioned in a post earlier that I just cannot seem to find unless I am looking past it, about an article written by a psychopath with a title of ‘Can a 9 year old be a psychopath?’ Or words to that effect...
I went away to try and find the article but have been unable to do so.
Can anybody help with this ? Is there a link at all to this article or can anybody point me in the direction of where I can find it and/or the author?
Many thanks in advance
X
 
  • #108
Someone mentioned in a post earlier that I just cannot seem to find unless I am looking past it, about an article written by a psychopath with a title of ‘Can a 9 year old be a psychopath?’ Or words to that effect...
I went away to try and find the article but have been unable to do so.
Can anybody help with this ? Is there a link at all to this article or can anybody point me in the direction of where I can find it and/or the author?
Many thanks in advance
X

Can You Call a 9-Year-Old a Psychopath?

Can You Call a 9-Year-Old a Psychopath?
 
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Children should not have access to guns. I have no doubt that this child was angry about some slight. His solution was to shoot every one, as if that would solve the problem.

When you are wealthy, and you have a teen you don't want, you pay $50,000 a year for boarding school. Sometimes medical insurance will pay, if the teen has a diagnosis.

When you are poor, and have a teen you don't want, options are limited, but still available. Job Corps is one of the best government programs, ever. It costs almost nothing, for the government. And usually the kids transition into the military.

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  • #112
I read the New York Times article sited above when it was first published and was skeptical. The child wasn't violent and the father didn't seem to have a problem with him. It sounded to me more like a personality clash with the mother than anything else.
 
  • #113
He was not starting fires or playing with matches. He was burning live animals reportedly. That's not arson as the article deals with. I'm sure as always there's a name for it. But, I'm not looking it up. Uneducated guess, he was in pain and wanted to inflict pain on others.
I'd like to know his condition now as he sits in jail. Is he remorseful, suicidal, catatonic...what!

The article refers to starting fires. Here is an example:

An important implication for treatment is that different kinds of juvenile arsonists should be given different sorts of help. For the ''playing with matches'' fire setters, fire-prevention education in the home and under the auspices of schools and fire departments is quite effective, Dr. Fineman said.

However, ''crying for help'' fire setters require counseling or family-therapy treatment, he said. Jerry, who set fire to his father's pictures, received counseling and the fire-setting behavior ceased.

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We do not know if he has FAS, We do not know if his mother used drugs while pregnant.

We don’t know if there were a steady stream of strangers who sex abused him.

He could have strangled the animal or stabbed it. Rather, he used fire.
 
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Thought it was an odd article as well, but have been go go going all day and figured it was just me. Thanks !
 
  • #117

Excellent article. Thanks for posting.

Ok.... this was her daughter who was murdered yet... oh never mind. Perhaps it's the author of this article, Something sure seems to be missing in the emotions department. Yeah, I think it’s the author, I hope.

I think it's possibly a combination of her religion as well as still in the initial stages of shock/grief maybe?

I think that I would personally feel the same way as this grandmother, but of course can't really say. Tough situation, especially the loving way the grandmother spoke of the teen.
 
  • #118
From the article above, something I picked up on that I didn't know before.
It says Mary and John married in 2010, meaning the kid was ~ 5 or so. Considering they were together maybe at least a few months before then, the kid could have been around age 4?

It also says Mary adopted him in 2018, but maybe the kid didn't even know that had happened? I've gone through a stepparent adoption in Alabama not terribly long ago and I don't remember the children having to sign or say okay to anything.

That brings me back to one of the earlier articles. I think a family member said the kid had just found out I think the day or week before the murders that Mary wasn't his mom and I didn't think that was possible. Now I'm wondering if that wasn't the trigger in his teen mind somehow for all of this.
 
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