Alabama - Four dead, dozens more injured after shooting, Birmingham, 22 September 2024

[vls12345]

UAB football player affected by deadly Birmingham mass shooting, Coach Dilfer says

"It has touched our program," Dilfer said.

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[DS2021]

The murder for hire theory seems to mainly stem thru some of the victims having extensive criminal history.

Seems like a bit of a stretch imo

Alabama mass shooting victims may have been targeted in murder-for-hire plot, police say

Four people were killed and 17 were wounded when gunfire erupted on a busy Birmingham street.

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[AlphaJDelta]

17 injured bystanders doesn't make a murder-for-hire job seem likely.

 

[Motoman_90]

17 injured bystanders doesn't make a murder-for-hire job seem likely.

Does if your wanting to send a message or hide the true target/s just my opinion

 

[AlphaJDelta]

Does if your wanting to send a message or hide the true target/s just my opinion

Without knowing who these people really are, it's hard to judge just how vicious an enemy they might of had. I'm just thinking that with a murder-for-hire job, they're typically "transactional" with a clear target. Of course bystanders and other factors can muddy a situation but 4 dead and 17 injured to me seems like a crime of passion, more than a targeted attack by an unrelated assailant. Just my two cents, of course.

 

[airportwoman]

I heard yesterday that there was another shooting in Birmingham that very evening, and there was evidence that they may be linked. I can't find a link now; does anyone know if this is true, or did people get their stories overlapped?

They are offering a $100,000 reward, the biggest ever in the area, for information that leads to a conviction. I also saw a QR code labeled "Evidence Portal" on a YouTube video. Two of the deceased men had previous murder charges, although it's unknown if they were the targets; the other two victims had no known criminal record.

Birmingham 5 Points South mass shooting: $100,000 reward offered; 2 victims had faced murder charges

Police identified the four people killed as Antria Holloman, 21, Tahj Booker, 27, Carlos McCain, 27, and Roderick Lynn Patterson Jr., 26.

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[dotr]

Sep 23, 2024
What we know about the victims of the Birmingham mass shooting

starting @10:03
Streamed live 9 hours ago
WATCH LIVE: Police in Birmingham, Alabama provide an update on Saturday night's mass shooting. The press conference will begin at 9:15 a.m. CT.

 

[Charlot123]

I heard yesterday that there was another shooting in Birmingham that very evening, and there was evidence that they may be linked. I can't find a link now; does anyone know if this is true, or did people get their stories overlapped?

They are offering a $100,000 reward, the biggest ever in the area, for information that leads to a conviction. I also saw a QR code labeled "Evidence Portal" on a YouTube video. Two of the deceased men had previous murder charges, although it's unknown if they were the targets; the other two victims had no known criminal record.

Birmingham 5 Points South mass shooting: $100,000 reward offered; 2 victims had faced murder charges

Police identified the four people killed as Antria Holloman, 21, Tahj Booker, 27, Carlos McCain, 27, and Roderick Lynn Patterson Jr., 26.

www.al.com

Were these attacks meant to look as “murder for hire”?

When in the 1990es Russian criminal bosses were dividing the spheres of influence, it looked horrible: showdowns, shootouts. But the criminals would get together in certain spaces, far from the regular citizens. Some bodyguards could be hit, but they subscribed to it. But usually, the areas were far from innocent bystanders.

Now, the fact that the Birmingham mafia seemingly didn’t care about the regular citizens sitting in that hookah bar, makes it look as if the attackers are the low lives for hire. But maybe it was the goal, because what’s a regular human reaction? “Scums, gangsters, the sooner they kill each other, the better”. It almost prevents involvement. (Honestly, my first internal wish was to let these groups self-implode.)

However, Anitra’s daughter now lost both parents, Anitra Holloman, killed in Birmingham mass shooting, lost daughter’s father to violence: ‘She can feel her mom is gone’

and Tadj as we found out was a very very clean young man. The interview with the guy wounded in his thigh (Eslami) was cut short: he later said that he had lost three friends to shootings...

So maybe if we view the shooters not as gangsters, not as murderers-for-hire, not as people targeting another lowlife, but as terrorists against own innocent people, it would be better? And I am more interested in who hired them?

 

[airportwoman]

I'm curious as to how anyone knows it was a murder-for-hire, since nobody seems to know who did it.

 

[dotr]

rbbm

Birmingham officials vow to boost security after mass shooting

Birmingham leaders pledge increased security following a mass shooting that left four dead and 17 injured.

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''Smitherman is prepared to provide Mayor Woodfin with whatever funding is necessary to enhance Birmingham's public safety response, emphasizing the need to make every community safer and to make those causing terror feel extremely uncomfortable.

"I am sick of it. I'm sick of it. I am really sick of it. I am sick of not feeling safe in my own city," Smitherman said.
A $100,000 reward is being offered by Crime Stoppers and the FBI for information leading to the arrest of those responsible for the shooting.''
''Mayor Woodfin stressed the importance of community cooperation, stating that anyone who knows the shooters and refuses to come forward is just as responsible as the suspects themselves''.

Sep 24, 2024
Four people are dead and 17 others were shot when multiple shooters fired on people outside in the open Saturday night, according to Birmingham police.

 

[Miss Poovy]

This is close to home for me also. In Birmingham proper, there seems to be a lot of retaliation violence. This is one reason folks will not or are reluctant to talk and/or provide information to police. There’s an article in a legitimate newspaper that details the past history of two of the victims, but I’m not sure if it violates Websleuth’s guidelines regarding victims.

 

[Miss Poovy]

I'm curious as to how anyone knows it was a murder-for-hire, since nobody seems to know who did it.

May be held “close to the vest” regarding the suspect/suspects as evidence is gathered for a successful conviction. Birmingham is a larger community, but has a small town feel, i.e., lots of people know your business. It’s also not uncommon for suspects to flee to Atlanta, which is 2.5 hours away. When this happens, usually the Federal Marshall apprehends the suspect. JMO based on past occurrences.

 

[Charlot123]

This is close to home for me also. In Birmingham proper, there seems to be a lot of retaliation violence. This is one reason folks will not or are reluctant to talk and/or provide information to police. There’s an article in a legitimate newspaper that details the past history of two of the victims, but I’m not sure if it violates Websleuth’s guidelines regarding victims.

If victims’ life choices led to multiple other casualties, then their victimhood is relative, IMHO. I don’t know the rules here, though. All the comments mention that the two deceased, a woman and one man, had no criminal history whatsoever, so by default it is easy to sort out who had it. BTW, of the two “victims with history”, was one also the bodyguard for another man, or were they mere friends? They had to have the reason to sit in such proximity.

About murder for hire. The hitmen are no snipers or don’t bother catching victims without people around them. Is it the obvious “outsourcing” to nonprofessionals that points at the murders being “for hire”?

 

[Miss Poovy]

Hmm, hard to say. I will say in the Birmingham area multiple kids have been harmed or killed in drive by shootings that were not the intended victim(s).

What is the definition for murder by hire? I think most people would think a professional hit. Hush is on a small one-way street, not a lot of room. Doesn’t sound “professional”, get in, get out. Murderer could have been an “associate” of the person wanting someone to be killed. May have been an exchange . . . JMO, but I think it’s hard for a relatively normal person to understand the mentality of folks who intentionally murder, especially in a crowded place, which has happened more than once in this area. Loss of others’ lives besides the intended target is an oops (collateral damage) or a threat to the people waiting to enter Hush, in my opinion.

 

[Wallendo]

This sounds like a gang hit, not a murder-for-hire. Unfortunately, LE is now very hesitant to call out gang violence.

Modern street gangs are quite different form the mafia and older gangs. Modern gangs really don't care about collateral damage. Most witnesses to this crime likely fear the gangs and will be hesitant to be seen assisting law enforcement. LE probably has a good idea who did this, but may never get enough evidence for charges IMHO.

 

[Miss Poovy]

This sounds like a gang hit, not a murder-for-hire. Unfortunately, LE is now very hesitant to call out gang violence.

Modern street gangs are quite different form the mafia and older gangs. Modern gangs really don't care about collateral damage. Most witnesses to this crime likely fear the gangs and will be hesitant to be seen assisting law enforcement. LE probably has a good idea who did this, but may never get enough evidence for charges IMHO.

Exactly!

 

[Miss Poovy]

Exactly! Just the thought of gang violence will make 5 Points South a ghost town (edit)

 

[Miss Poovy]

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[Miss Poovy]

Hush shooting arrest reveals tragic links in 11 homicides: 'Birmingham is just murder after murder'

A massacre in Five Points South is part of a tangled web of violence stretching back to 2015.

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Article from AL.COM regarding arrests.

 

[Charlot123]

Former Hush Lounge security guard reflects on arrests and lingering trauma following mass shooting

The investigation into the mass shooting remains ongoing.

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This is how hard it is on the witnesses and survivors.