Alec Baldwin

[kato]

The dj's also made the comment that if that's how he talks to his daughter imagine how he talked to Kim during their marriage.

What a freakin' bully.

 

[Jodibug]

I'm not saying that Kim *didn't* leak the tape, but isn't it also possible that it could have been leaked by a courthouse employee?

 

[englishleigh]

Hearing that call brought me back to my early teenage years and even later, after my parents divorced when I was 14....my own father used to leave messages like that for me and talk to me like that. I still have a cordial relationship with him, we talk briefly & daily by e-mail, just "hi, how are you" one-sentence e-mails...but he lives only 60 miles away from me and I still only see him a handful of times a year, he has hardly any relationship with my three children...he makes very little effort even now, and that's more than fine with me. Looking back I can see that he was frustrated not to have me with him, not to know what I was doing all the time, had bottled-up anger at my mother, and all that culminated in the way he would explode at me at times, but that's not an excuse at ALL. It damaged our relationship and my feelings for him forever.

:razz: to Alec.

I feel so much for and relate to little Ireland and I pray for her and for Kim. I am so happy not to have been in the world spotlight, though, and have everyone in the world hear the phone call, like poor Ireland must deal with.

 

[michelle]

What a creep. I always heard he had a horrible temper. I used to like him but he seems like a bully to me. His poor daughter. How embarassed she must be right now.

 

[Hopeful One]

I just heard this and what a JERK. I don't care what he's been through for the past six years. That does NOT excuse what he said. You don't say to a child!!!!!!!! Kids can be brats. They can be selfish and annoying. But you DON'T let your anger show like that. Part of being a parent is knowing that you don't talk to your child like you would talk to your enemy. Period.

 

[Ntegrity]

If Baldwin is trying to win his daughter over, he's going about it the wrong way. :doh:

 

[southcitymom]

I've followed the Basinger/Baldwin fiasco pretty closely for years now.

Based on my background knowledge, the release of this tape tells me way more about the child's mother - who has already been held in contempt of court once, perhaps twice, for not taking a Judge's order to shut up for the sake of the child seriously - than it does about the child's father.

One incident of a parent speaking way inappropriately to a child doesn't do much to persuade me that the person is a bad parent. I find numerous campaigns by one parent to publically slander another to be much more damning.

Kim constantly does this and one can only imagine what she does to denigrate the father in the privacy of the child's presence. She's not a mother defending her child - she's a mother using her child to harm her ex and she is pure poison as far as I'm concerned. Her 11-year-old is brainwashed right now, but mark my words, she'll figure out one day how twisted and self-serving her mother's behavior has been and there will be fall-out.

It is going to be grueling for Ireland to recover from being taught by one parent to hate the other parent. That's unconscionable abuse in my opinion.

Kim and Alec both need "how-to-act-like-an-adult" lessons, but I'd give custody of this kid to her father over her mother any day of the week.

 

[Jules]

Jules:

Do you ever listen to Dean & Rog on 93.7? They said that tape made his brother (Daniel, drinker and drugger) seem like a saint or something along those lines. LOL

Yeah, I do sometimes. Today I had the Buzz on though. Both are dang funny!!!

This whole thing really is disgusting. Not saying Kim's a saint in all this mess either, but I guarantee you she suffered the same wrath from Alec that her daughter did - many times over. I say good for her for exposing him - IN HIS OWN WORDS - and backing up her previous claims of his treatment toward them. Now maybe someone will listen and do something. There's no way I'd let my daughter's father around her if he's prone to outbursts like that.

 

[Ntegrity]

Based on my background knowledge, the release of this tape tells me way more about the child's mother - who has already been held in contempt of court once, perhaps twice, for not taking a Judge's order to shut up for the sake of the child seriously - than it does about the child's father.

I couldn't disagree with you more. An abuser should never be protected from the consequences of his actions. Maybe there's a reason Kim tried so hard to keep this man away from his daughter. He has a horrible reputation for being out of control. If he's that way in public, just imagine what he's like when he thinks no one is watching.

 

[englishleigh]

Do Kim and Ireland live in Georgia? I heard they lived on a ranch in North GA, rather than in Los Angeles, to be away from Alec. I know Kim is from GA.

 

[Masterj]

I've followed the Basinger/Baldwin fiasco pretty closely for years now.

Based on my background knowledge, the release of this tape tells me way more about the child's mother - who has already been held in contempt of court once, perhaps twice, for not taking a Judge's order to shut up for the sake of the child seriously - than it does about the child's father.

One incident of a parent speaking way inappropriately to a child doesn't do much to persuade me that the person is a bad parent. I find numerous campaigns by one parent to publically slander another to be much more damning.

Kim constantly does this and one can only imagine what she does to denigrate the father in the privacy of the child's presence. She's not a mother defending her child - she's a mother using her child to harm her ex and she is pure poison as far as I'm concerned. Her 11-year-old is brainwashed right now, but mark my words, she'll figure out one day how twisted and self-serving her mother's behavior has been and there will be fall-out.

It is going to be grueling for Ireland to recover from being taught by one parent to hate the other parent. That's unconscionable abuse in my opinion.

Kim and Alec both need "how-to-act-like-an-adult" lessons, but I'd give custody of this kid to her father over her mother any day of the week.

Southcitymom, didn't it come out that Kim is agoraphobic? I thought I recalled that.

this is far from the first time that Alec has gotten into trouble because of his temper. A very popular theater actress quit the show they worked on last year due to his fits. I also remember after Cory Lidle's plane crashed into that apartment building he had a huge fit when the police wouldn't let him down the blocked off street. I can also recall an incident within the past few weeks or so with him getting into a fight with a pedestrian while driving.

 

[Texana]

What was ridiculous to me was his whole attitude that he "made an out himself getting to a phone on time" and his kid "humiliated him" by not having the phone turned on.

Sorry, making time for your scheduled visit with your child should not be something you consider making an of yourself to do.

There's no excuse for what he said, and even trying to make one is pathetic.

 

[southcitymom]

I couldn't disagree with you more. An abuser should never be protected from the consequences of his actions. Maybe there's a reason Kim tried so hard to keep this man away from his daughter. He has a horrible reputation for being out of control. If he's that way in public, just imagine what he's like when he thinks no one is watching.

Alec's temper is legendary - I understand and accept that. I am sure at one time or another he has been verbally abusive to every single person in his life who is close to him - and many who aren't. I'm not defending his anger issues.

But I personally find his anger issues and the verbal abuse that results from them less damaging than the abuse Kim heaps on that girl by trying to turn her against her father. Unless physical/sexual abuse is involved, a child must be encouraged to respect and have an independent relationship with each parent, even if that parent isn't perfect.

That's just my opinion. I understand that others don't see it that way. And it's a personal opinion - more damage was done to me as a child as a result of parents who talked ill of each other than was done to me by any verbal abuse I suffered.

Today, if I look back and remember my Mom calling me "a selfish lying little , " I think "Man, I hated to hear that and it was harsh, but she was right." And I'm not emotionally screwed up about it.

On the contrary when I think back to some of the twisted Alec/Kim-type games my parents played when we were in divorce-land, I still get a pit in my stomach and a real sadness....and that's after years of therapy!

So to me - some wounds are deeper than others. The wounds I suffered from verbal abuse - not so deep. The wounds I suffered from child-like parents who were divorcing and not watching out for the kids in that process - way deep.

I suspect Ireland will have a similar experience. I know many who have.

 

[southcitymom]

Southcitymom, didn't it come out that Kim is agoraphobic? I thought I recalled that.

this is far from the first time that Alec has gotten into trouble because of his temper. A very popular theater actress quit the show they worked on last year due to his fits. I also remember after Cory Lidle's plane crashed into that apartment building he had a huge fit when the police wouldn't let him down the blocked off street. I can also recall an incident within the past few weeks or so with him getting into a fight with a pedestrian while driving.

It is my understanding that Kim was diagnosed once with agoraphobia, so there is at least some mental illness at play that might result in some of her behaviors and decisions. Kim owned a tiny town in GA once, but never lived here with her daughter. Kim and Alec and Ireland are Hollywood royalty and I doubt they'll ever leave that position.

Yes - Alec (indeed ALL of the Baldwin boys, as best I can tell) can by a grade A jack- and has a hardcore temper.

My goddaughter (age 7) - daughter of my best friend and her ex-husband - is in a similar situation to Ireland except her mother is most concerned about the child and not about getting even with the child's father. My goddaughter's father has anger and rage issues. But her mother never says anything but kind words about that man in front of her daughter (and believe me, there are buckets of stuff she could sling), she encourages the relationship, she protects her daughter from his rages in healthy, loving ways. She is allowing her daughter to form her own opinion of her father. I respect my friend so much for how she handles the situation.

 

[Ntegrity]

Unless physical/sexual abuse is involved, a child must be encouraged to respect and have an independent relationship with each parent, even if that parent isn't perfect.

That's just my opinion. I understand that others don't see it that way. And it's a personal opinion - more damage was done to me as a child as a result of parents who talked ill of each other than was done to me by any verbal abuse I suffered.

I see where you're coming from and I can respect that. In a perfect world, divorced parents wouldn't bash each other in front of their children. However, based on Baldwin's history of physical violence and verbal assaults, I think Basinger may be trying to protect her daughter -- even to the point of defying court ordered visitation. I would do the same.

 

[southcitymom]

I see where you're coming from and I can respect that. In a perfect world, divorced parents wouldn't bash each other in front of their children. However, based on Baldwin's history of physical violence and verbal assaults, I think Basinger may be trying to protect her daughter -- even to the point of defying court ordered visitation. I would do the same.

I do see your point too, Ntegrity. Though I will say that - based on what I've seen Kim do over the years - she is not truly trying to protect her daughter. I'm sure she tells herself that, but I don't buy it. And even Kim has never said Alec has physically abused Ireland.

Both of these parents get an F- in Divorce With Children 101. I'm truly not trying to defend Baldwin's rotten behavior. I just think Kim should be upgraded equally, if not more.

God bless, Ireland, is all I really care about!

 

[Seven]

Nova, I don't know who released the tape to the media, but I sure don't believe in protecting scum like Alec Baldwin. His daughter is probably already embarrassed by being related to the creep.

straight from the "glenGarry, Glenn Ross" school of parenting. i'm guessing kim had to make a hard decision. when you listen to it, there's a definite threat there that escalates the old-fashioned "dont make me stop this car" to: dont make me U turn the airplane! ....... i heard alec's publicist says his client is suing kim for releasing the tape, but it sounds as if she did what she needed to, in order to get the court order suspending possibly abusive visitation.

p.s. love your siggy pic!

 

[Seven]

Originally Posted by southcitymom
Unless physical/sexual abuse is involved, a child must be encouraged to respect and have an independent relationship with each parent, even if that parent isn't perfect.

That's just my opinion. I understand that others don't see it that way. And it's a personal opinion - more damage was done to me as a child as a result of parents who talked ill of each other than was done to me by any verbal abuse I suffered.

i'm not sure what 'i'm gonna straighten your arse out' is verbal code for, but i can imagine, and apparently so could the judge. of course, just because it sounds like code for 'im gonna beat your arse' doesnt mean that that is the correct interpretation, but a judge charged with child welfare cant afford to take that chance.

sometimes this kind of public exposure is the only way to reach the mind/soul of someone in dire need of anger management on a very deep level.

jmho.

 

[Seven]

I can't stand him. I hope he's slapped hard for this crap. Poor little girl - no one should have to listen to their father talk to them that way.

I should say - I'm not a big fan of Kim's either. I think it's disgusting how this poor girl was put in the middle of all their crap. That said, I think Alec REALLY crossed the line. I'm glad he won't be making the trip tomorrow to see her.

i did hear alec baldwin the day he exhorted the audience on an evening talk show, standing, screaming and gesturing, that we should all go to washington, hunt down representative henry hyde, go to his house and stone him and his wife and children to death.

havent heard of kim acting out in a violent way, but obviously, there's other ways of being abusive. I like your "Thought for the day: Men are like fine wine. They start out as grapes; and it's up to the women to stomp the crap out of them until they turn into something acceptable to have with dinner. " maybe kim's too passive?

 

[kato]

It is my understanding that Kim was diagnosed once with agoraphobia, so there is at least some mental illness at play that might result in some of her behaviors and decisions. Kim owned a tiny town in GA once, but never lived here with her daughter. Kim and Alec and Ireland are Hollywood royalty and I doubt they'll ever leave that position.

Yes - Alec (indeed ALL of the Baldwin boys, as best I can tell) can by a grade A jack- and has a hardcore temper.

My goddaughter (age 7) - daughter of my best friend and her ex-husband - is in a similar situation to Ireland except her mother is most concerned about the child and not about getting even with the child's father. My goddaughter's father has anger and rage issues. But her mother never says anything but kind words about that man in front of her daughter (and believe me, there are buckets of stuff she could sling), she encourages the relationship, she protects her daughter from his rages in healthy, loving ways. She is allowing her daughter to form her own opinion of her father. I respect my friend so much for how she handles the situation.

At least one of them has turned his life around and committed it to God. I think it's Stephen who is married to Chynna Phillips (?)