All About Chloroform #3

[Soulmagent]

This is also what I was going to mention. He also said, IIRC, that he has never found chloroform before (in a non- liquid form, was that it?).

No he did not say this.

He had found chloroform before but he was asked to only test for it alone in this case. He had never tested for it alone. His mormal testing would find it within a test panel of other things as well.

He said he had found it before and had even seen higher levels then what he found in the carpet sample.

 

[chicoliving]

I am impatiently wanting to hear the dates that these sc ispot chloroform searches were done....May 17th until, say, June 15th????:waitasec:

Also, LDBs timing was impeccable today - - - ending with the jaw-dropping 84 chloroform searches at the very end of day. You can bet the farm that the Jury will be thinking and digesting THAT fact for the remainder of their day today!!! :worms::countsheep:

I think the dates were March 17 - 21st.

 

[Soulmagent]

The sci spot page website was visited 84 times ,did they say it was the specific chloroform page?

 

[shezcrafti]

The sci spot page website was visited 84 times ,did they say it was the specific chloroform page?

It certainly sounded like it. Here is a direct quote from the trial video:

LDB: "Entry #3, the www.sci-spot.com/chemistry/chloroform -- how many times was that site visited?"

John Dennis Bradley: "According to the history, 84 times."

I know she used the word "site", but she took the time to speak aloud the full URL of the page in question. I took this to mean Casey looked at that particular chloroform page 84 times.

 

[benjaminfpierce]

Has John Bradley's report been published? I've seen other reports, but not his. Was this not part of discovery because it was a expert report?

 

[tasylshari]

I think the dates were March 17 - 21st.

Thanks, Chico. I wasn't aware that all of the 84 "chloroform" searches were indeed conducted within those two dates. Missed alot today due to daughters band concert. Was this all also attested to today....I mean the dates that all 84 searches were conducted via the A's computer? If so, I'd think that Jose is a wee bit downtrodden tonight, wouldntcha'all?

TYVM!

 

[LinasK]

After some thought, I don't believe ICA used chloroform at all, nor did she make it. First off, where would she cook it up? In CA's kitchen ... don't think so. CA is so ODC about cleaning she would know what was in that house at all times and what items in the kitchen had been used. No doubt she kept her plates, flatware, pots and pans in a specific order.

No chloroform was used. However, cold meds for infants/toddlers/kids is a popular sleeping method with young mothers.

As for the chloroform searches, I think the SA is using them as a motive, not the actual method. Same with using the rest of ICA's searches. ICA never completed any of the methods she searched, but it showed motive. As for the high levels of chloroform in the vehicle, I am waiting for Jeff to get down to that one, in specifics.

Why couldn't she have made it at the abandoned house nearby that Dom. Casey was checking out???

 

[tasylshari]

After some thought, I don't believe ICA used chloroform at all, nor did she make it. First off, where would she cook it up? In CA's kitchen ... don't think so. CA is so ODC about cleaning she would know what was in that house at all times and what items in the kitchen had been used. No doubt she kept her plates, flatware, pots and pans in a specific order.

No chloroform was used. However, cold meds for infants/toddlers/kids is a popular sleeping method with young mothers.

As for the chloroform searches, I think the SA is using them as a motive, not the actual method. Same with using the rest of ICA's searches. ICA never completed any of the methods she searched, but it showed motive. As for the high levels of chloroform in the vehicle, I am waiting for Jeff to get down to that one, in specifics.

Count: I am very curious to hear how (?) you could explain the shockingly high levels of chloroform in the trunk then?

I just can't dismiss this circumstantial evidence from any angle that I look at it from. The searches, all 84, and the shocking levels in the car trunk......:waitasec:

 

[txsvicki]

Vinnie Politan interviewed a couple of experts who said that it would be easy to make chloroform in it's unpure form. Casey had the house all to herself in the afternoons at times when George was at work, so she could have done just about anything. Casey lived in the home and had access to all the items, and she could have gotten dishes or utensils from else where. I'd be interested to know how many searches were done each day and if there was a break between some of the searches that could indicate attempts to make chloroform. Eighty four searches would almost be a search on how to make chloroform every day over a three month period. That is an intense interest.

 

[Robinez]

Vinnie Politan interviewed a couple of experts who said that it would be easy to make chloroform in it's unpure form. Casey had the house all to herself in the afternoons at times when George was at work, so she could have done just about anything. Casey lived in the home and had access to all the items, and she could have gotten dishes or utensils from else where. I'd be interested to know how many searches were done each day and if there was a break between some of the searches that could indicate attempts to make chloroform. Eighty four searches would almost be a search on how to make chloroform every day over a three month period. That is an intense interest.

She killed that baby. That said, the 84 searches are a bit hard to swallow. To start with, ICA isn't the sharpest tool and she has very little patience. I think that after, say, the 15th time ( and I am giving her credit ) she abandoned that search.

She didn't have to do it 84 times. Has anyone ever gone on a webmd site? Looked up, say, toe fungus.. You will get 12 or so links that are included in the page that you looked up. All will include toe fungus. There's 12 right there. On your hard drive.

Yes, she looked up chloroform, couldn't spell it at first, had to look it up again. ICA has the sense that God gave a gnat, she didn't research anything 84times. It would have been too taxing for her.

Take care, Robin

PS, No toe fungus was involved in the writing of this post

 

[Soulmagent]

It certainly sounded like it. Here is a direct quote from the trial video:

LDB: "Entry #3, the www.sci-spot.com/chemistry/chloroform -- how many times was that site visited?"

John Dennis Bradley: "According to the history, 84 times."

I know she used the word "site", but she took the time to speak aloud the full URL of the page in question. I took this to mean Casey looked at that particular chloroform page 84 times.

Thanks for finding that. I thought I heard it today live then everyone is on the 84 times .

That site ,but what about THAT page?

No if the SA said site and not page I have to question why they did that.
Yes I do think it is a big deal. (before someone tells me it isnt)

I have found in court , it goes by the letter of the law ,the word on the record etc.etc. It would be important because a page is a page and well a site is not a page. The SA knows the difference .

Jose needs to wake up because they really are skipping on his head.IMO

 

[countzero]

Count: I am very curious to hear how (?) you could explain the shockingly high levels of chloroform in the trunk then?

I just can't dismiss this circumstantial evidence from any angle that I look at it from. The searches, all 84, and the shocking levels in the car trunk......:waitasec:

Guess I didn't explain myself enough, sorry.

I understand enough about chloroform now to get me in trouble, thanks to Val. I never did believe ICA cooked chloroform. I don't believe she used it on Caylee. Now if the SA has evidence she purchased it, I will change my mind in a NYC nano second.

But I cannot explain why the high concentration levels of chloroform either and I want to know that but haven't heard HOW it came to be. And if it was stated in court when I missed it, I need a link.

 

[WillenFan21]

After the testimony today we learn basically more about the duct tape and just how bad it was around the babies mouth. Obviously the way it was described just as the prosecution stated in opening statements it had to be the cause of death. My question for all of you is that if the duct tape was the COD where in your opinion do you think the chloroform comes into play? This has always confused me because due to the amounts they found in the trunk you'd think it would have killed her immediately even if she was given it before duct tape was put on. The whole thing is just very confusing to me. After today I think that my previous theory is wrong. Do you think it is possible maybe Casey put the chloroform in the trunk as a cover up to maybe make the LE and everyone possibly think that baby drowned and that it came from the pool? I mean it would coincide with the defense that the baby drowned. I don't believe any of it but I am very curious as to how the state will explain the chloroform and their belief as to how it exactly comes into play.

 

[x_files]

Just my opinion only, is that Casey searched up chloroform after reading about it on Ricardo's myspace page. (Why he posted that we'll never know). Maybe she was curious or they tried using some as recreational drug to get a cheap "high." Possibly used it on Caylee to get her to go to sleep while visiting her boyfriends/friends houses. when she didn't have a sitter. Either it was it was used as a "soft kill" to quiet Caylee down and used to duct tape to finish the job. (sorry to sound cruel or uncaring)
Supposedly a friend of Casey's said she put heart stickers on her pet's graves. I cannot find a link just heard it on JV Issues the other night.


Not sure if she gave her chloroform that early evening/night June 16th to get her to go to sleep while she was with Tony as a cheap babysitter aka "Zanny the Nanny" and it went wrong. Accidental overdose or if it was premeditated murder.

MOO

 

[WillenFan21]

I thought of that as well x files. I wondered if maybe she chloroformed her to put her out and then right after put the duct tape on her. I didn't want to post it because the thought is just horrible that that poor baby would be out of and possibly feel what is going on but not be able to movie bc of the chloroform acting like anesthetic. The thought of it is just sick but it does make you wonder.

 

[LinasK]

I thought of that as well x files. I wondered if maybe she chloroformed her to put her out and then right after put the duct tape on her. I didn't want to post it because the thought is just horrible that that poor baby would be out of and possibly feel what is going on but not be able to movie bc of the chloroform acting like anesthetic. The thought of it is just sick but it does make you wonder.

This is exactly how I think she killed her and it appears the state agrees. It was NO accident!

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I fully believe, and have for some time that she chloroformed her so that she wouldn't struggle and then taped her up. Maybe did it in an angry rush and spilled some in the back of the car, I don't know. But I do believe your theory correct.

 

[badhorsie]

Just read the autopsy report and, as far as I can see, no Chloroform was found in the hair test performed. Have I read it right?
Hair tests are pretty accurate.. can someone explain this to me?
Will DT pick up on this?

 

[JusticeSeeker1960]

Let's say she didn't intend to kill her, just keep her quiet while she did her thing. Maybe she gave her something other than chloroform to put her to sleep then put the tape on.

Maybe while she was on the computer in March doing her searches, we know she's not that sharp but she is evil...so if she decided against the first idea she went to another one...like the drowning theory. If she did go to plan b & her sick mind was thinking, "I'll just do that and pretend that I did CPR"...wouldn't that explain the other computer searches? Check out the injuries that have happened while doing CPR on a child Caylee's age.

Then, again in her sick mind, she HAD to get rid of the horrible smell in her car....didn't the garbage bag have cleaning products inside.....if she put enough cleaning products in the trunk to cover the smell, would that be the reason for the high level of chloroform in the trunk? JMHO, but who knows...it's hard to think like that spiteful b****!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Just read the autopsy report and, as far as I can see, no Chloroform was found in the hair test performed. Have I read it right?
Hair tests are pretty accurate.. can someone explain this to me?
Will DT pick up on this?

I'm no expert but I thought that it takes some time before drugs can be detected in hair.