Allison Baden-Clay, GENERAL CASE DISCUSSION THREAD -#31

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That is just what they think, the case has remained unsolved and was closed as UNSOLVED. The body has never been found. Beck and Watts were believed to have been is WA at the time she went missing so, yes they think they had a link but it does not look like it. :-(

http://z13.invisionfree.com/PorchlightAustralia/index.php?showtopic=700

Case Closed in 2009 - Cold and Unsolved unfortunately.....
http://southern-star.whereilive.com.au/news/story/sharron-case-is-closed/

Oh, I know its only what they suspect.. But obviously a reason they suspected it. I just thought it was interesting that they had suscpions on those two.

Just reread and see Com. Atkinson saying they thought they were in Western Australia( not certain?)

Also noted in the first link you provided the sentence..The reward for information on Sharron Phillips disappearance was increased to $250,000 and an indemnity against prosecution is also offered for any accomplice.

Doesn't happen too often as they mentioned with the Baden-clay case, but obviously occasionally. WOnder if BC case will be another where indemnity will be offered to an accomplice..
 
These two were lurking around my daughters school in Minden but luckily the principal at the time noticed and reported it to marburg police. It went from there. Also a friend of mine was on the jury duty for valmae beck and told me what they did to that poor child. You would throw up if I told you.

Yes we would and who would believe a woman would do that...and for what reasoning.

It is a dark dark place where these 'humans' access in their brains. What twist in a human head makes them develop these motives/means for depravity..........

However I sense some still sit on the fence now after being reminded of these sick f....jubes?

Surely/maybe we have to see we may never know a person really........
 
She may be the current property manager but that does not mean she controls the trust account funds.

I was involved in a case a few years back of a real estate owner that embezzled the trust account funds at his real estate. He had a gambling problem and did a lot of creative accounting. The poor young girl that worked there as a property manager got blamed and she had nothing to do with it.

The girl was cleared and he went on to the same place as Gerard lol. The property owners could not get their money back as he went bankrupt. Btw he started to embezzle the trust account funds after his business was in trouble and he was trying to keep up the high flyer lifestyle and image.



Aahh yes good point. My point was the girl and a weird feeling about her.I had a weird feeling about her previously. I can't understand why a young lady would not move on to a different real estate agency but stay for 2 tiny rental properties at a firm where her boss is accused of murdering his wife. MOO seems strange is all.
 
I don't really see a problem with this. Ben Markwell article appeared to be promoting the First Home Buyer's grant. As a taxpayer myself, I have no issue for eligible applicants to receive this grant. As presumably, Ben Markwell and his friend passed all Federal Govt criteria to receive the grant, and would have disclosed all necessary criteria on the application, possibly including occupations, it is not the business of anyone else.

As the article was about the First Home Buyer's grant, the occupation of the grantee is irrelevent. Ben Markwell is also a private person. Sounds like sour grapes to me and perhaps 'having a go' at a competitor. IMO

I didn't read it all but what I got was the fact that they were trying to say that the housing slump was over and they "used" this Ben guy to show that a young person could get a mortgage using the first home buyers grant. When they wrote the article they failed to mention Ben was a real estate agent(Gerard was his boss). I think if they do an article like this I do feel Ben's occupation was relevant. I can see what these people are annoyed about. Encouraging young people to take a $900,000 mortgage for a house in Collingwood park!!!

To me it seems a little odd and maybe a little unethical. All MOO.
 
I wonder if GBC will want his children to visit him whilst he is at Arthur Gorrie?
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I thought I had read that all his visitors had to be approved. I don't think the girls would ne approved. IMO
 
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Originally Posted by LauraMars
I heard recently that there is a man in Anstead (Mt Crosby Rd I think?) who keeps a logbook type thing with details of any suspicious or out of the ordinary goings on, mainly car regos and times of seen cars. (It does seem a pretty out there thing to do, I think he is an older guy)

Apparently he spoke to police, but no idea whether he had any details that were helpful.


not really, i was in highschool when Sharron Phillips went missing, car left on side of road, it is now a cold case. From that moment on whenever I see a car on side if road, I take note of movement of people in and around it as I drive past, never felt like I should stop as yet, but I certainly take down regos or descriptions at the location in case sometjing dodgy is reported in the news.

END QUOTE.

I'm the same. I also take note when I hear loud bangs. I immediately verify the time, number of bangs, and how many seconds there are between bangs. Just in case they are gunshots. The wonder of smart phones is that I can take photos of cars in weird locations, so I have evidence to supply police if necessary. Just today I took a pic of a car parked in strange and illegal location. The driver came back to the car, saw me, then moved the car, while I watched her interestedly for a while. She didn't like it much!

Wow Woof! (cue Elvis music: :Banane53:) You aint nothin' but a hound dog! (A bloodhound!!!) Perhaps this is yet another of Allison's legacies - we will all become more vigilant and notice what is going on around us. Eg. I often hear 'gunshots' nearby, but just think: oh, there's another 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 having a potshot at some poor little bunny...BUT...It ain't necessarily so!!
 
I agree! So many questions and NO answers. It's been so quiet for too long. It's very frustrating. I can't imagine how the Dickies must be feeling.

Timmy, what I like to think re the Dickies and how they're feeling, is that Det Ainsworth has realised from very early on what sensible, dignified people they are with a mountain of integrity, and having observed how they have conducted themselves through what must have been absolutely excruciating at times (think: being 'with' GBC at the funeral) he has assured them that they WILL get their man in the fullness of time (and I hope has shared a little 'knowledge' with them that noone else is privy to), though the wait of course must seem intolerable at times. I am sure that having the girls to focus on now as the legal proceedings play themselves out gives them at least something constructive and positive to occupy their time and thoughts and I do hope that having those three little parts of Allison with them gives them some sort of comfort. I can't imagine how hard it is to deal with the questions and confusion of the children, but I am sure they are getting the very best advice and support. I recall A's brother Ashley saying they were caring for the girls 'as best we can'....which although saying very little, says an awful lot. They're all overwhelmed and quite probably feel inadequate to the task at times, but those Dickies are obviously mighty folk, and the girls are lucky to be with them now, as Allison was to have them as parents.

With regard to how the rest of us are feeling....I have a slowly swelling feeling of confidence as time goes on. I thought that GBC WOULD get bail, and the feeling of relief that he didn't has been followed by an ever increasing feeling that things are playing out just as we would hope (regardless of what circus the BCs are attempting to conduct with all those criminal lawyers jostling for centre stage.) I am particularly encouraged by the Sica judgement....O.M.G! What an absolutely fantastic precedent this is setting for GBC's trial. The 'longest' sentence given so far in QLD history (YES!) and how about all those comments re lack of remorse, subterfuge, casting aspersions on an innocent family, wasting resources etc. etc. etc. Setting the scene beautifully for justice being done for Allison.

I can't help feeling a wee bit sorry for GBC's creditors.....how pissed off must they feel when they see the huge amount of money that's obviously being splashed around on GBCs defence....regardless of where it comes from. GBC has SO much to answer for in so many quarters. But he'll get his, I KNOW it!! Bring on the trial....and yes, Allison has even contributed to getting a new Judge! Your legacy will be huge and long lasting Allison (as I hope GBCs punishment will be!)
 
Oh Dear, oh dear, oh dear, Wozzle, you are incorrigible and totally adorable!! Would love to have you as my nurse if I was on my death bed - would probably laugh myself to death!!

I think 'the Allison D' would be a lovely name for your boat as 'wobble wozzle' isn't THAT attractive a name for a sleek vessel.:floorlaugh:

Don't know how seaworthy your new boat is to be, but if you ever make it over to Perth, I 'll arrange a royal reception for you!!! :floorlaugh:

I feel like I'm hogging the board!

Thanks 'Dodo' (that's actually what 'Wozzle' means - my current (!) hubby calls me this because he thinks I'm a bit of a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, but in the warmest most affectionate way! One of my bosses in years gone by told me I was 'eccentric' and when I exclaimed: Do you really think so? she replied: either that, or you've got a personality disorder!!) Dodo actually PM'd me saying she didn't really want to know....but how many husband's am I up to now? Hehehehehe. I am on my third....and not planning on any more (but then I've said that twice before, haven't I??!!)

Thinking about Allison's and GBCs relationship and all that's been shared here with regard to others experiences, despite the fact I've been married three times, I have been married to gentle, decent, honest and faithful men (at least as far as I know!) Marriages fail for all sorts of reasons but mine I guess would be due to the old 'irreconcilable differences'....we all grow and change and have different needs as we get older, and if partners don't 'grow' in the same direction, then it's better to part ways (unlike a certain failed real estate agent who wanted his cake and ate it too!) I only had one child and have always worked full time and thus been completely independent, so my divorces haven't been difficult for me. However even just the smallest 'hint' of DV can have a traumatic effect on kids.

I think often of what Allison's girls may have witnessed over the years, and how this might affect them through their lives. Before I did nursing I was a secretary in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioural Science at a Children's Hospital, and what I learned there seemed to fly in the face of reason and common sense. The parents who sexually abused their children, had often been sexually abused themselves!! Even if intellectually we know as adults something is 'wrong', if you've grown up in an environment where something is prevalent, be it sexual abuse or DV or whatever, it becomes something deeply embedded in your psyche - a part of you unable to be shaken although you know in your adult mind it isn't 'right'. How many women who are products of families with DV go on to choose partners who are also violent....sometimes over and over again. I hope Allison's girls can model their expectations on their grandparents' relationship (I wonder how many times they've seen both NBC's and GBC's tempers flare).

Fuskier I sense that you might be a psychologist, so you'll know how best these girls can be healed. I actually have a Psychology degree, which I did as a 'hobby' in my 30s (nursing wasn't a degree when I trained and I wanted to exercise my academic chops!) so I am like Allison...got the degree without taking it further to become a psychologist. (And unfortunately I also have something in common with GBC in that my degree was from the University of Southern Qld in Toowoomba where GBC got his!....how SO very 'GBC' for him to put USQ on his CV rather than the DDIAE as it was at the time - an 'institute of advanced eduction' just obviously didn't have the same 'ring' to it, did it GBC? - poseur extraordinaire!)

But back to the point I was going to make re children and DV - I've only ever been 'hit' once - 2nd husband thought I was having an affair (I wasn't) as he'd found a pair of 'unfamiliar' undies in his drawer. We did a lot of boating and these jocks were obviously from one of his buds that had got caught up in the wash...but he wouldn't/couldn't accept this. I was studying at the time and did English Lit for all my electives, and he had picked up a book of Australian poetry where I'd underlined 'She knew she had married the wrong man' for an essay, and of course he thought this was a message to HIM. He was beside himself (?paranoid from too much marijuana) and gave me a backhand across the mouth which split my lip. In 16 years he'd never been the slightest bit aggressive, and I actually thought nothing of it, as he was traumatized and I don't think he even recalled doing it. However my daughter was home at the time and saw the bleeding lip, and this incident signalled the end of the marriage and he moved out shortly after (not because I asked him to, it was coming to this anyhow). Years and years later, my daughter showed me an essay she had written for high school for which she'd got the highest mark she'd ever achieved (she was a lazy little so and so!) To my horror, she told a 'story' of the end of a couple's relationship, and it was a complete and accurate reproduction of all the events of that particular day. I couldn't believe it! ONE incident in an otherwise harmonious family had stayed with her all these years....and I was further horrified when she saw a psychologist when applying for the army, told her of her confusion about her sexuality, and the psychologist told her she had issues with 'men' because of her parents' relationship. OMG. How do I fix this? I can't of course, but remembering this makes me think of Allison's girls and what they may have been subjected to and how much of this is ingrained in THEIR psyches. It's a hard and thankless job being a parent (you always love them, but you don't always 'like' them, as one of my mother in laws said to me!)

Oh for the conciseness of Hawkins....not in me I'm afraid! Succinct I am not! My love and best wishes go out to H, S and E - every mother has you in their heart, and I am gathering you in my arms for a Curiousasacat bear hug....even if it's a 'cyber' one! :grouphug: (That's H, S, E, Mrs Dickie and me, hugging!)
 
I've been thinking about Olivia Walton and her behaviour since day one, and that of the parents. I wonder what she knew/thought, what she thinks now, (since the bail hearing) and whether she now thinks Gerard (and maybe her father or even mother) were responsible for Allison's death and cover-up.

If I try and put myself in the same situation, if someone in my family had been murdered and another family member/s was refusing to cooperate with police and give what could be crucial info, I would be sooo angry and disgusted. I just could not support that one iota, and I feel I'd just want to disassociate myself from them, quite possibly forever.

Of course it's possible that she thought Gerard was innocent (maybe she still does), but I wonder now with the knowledge of the facetime call to NBC (if she didn't know of that already) how she feels about it all now.

I feel really sorry for her children, it must be dreadful for them. So unfair :(
 
I would be vey worried lettting the BC Clan have any access over the rental trust accounts.

I rang the number just out of interest and it rings for along time, then you can clearly hear someone pick up the phone and terminate the call??
 
Also, with regards to EBC, it's possible she knew nothing of the call around midnight (though I think that's somewhat unlikely), but now that she does definitely know, how could you even stand to look at that man? (NBC)

I know I couldn't if it was my partner and the same situation.
 
I am not knocking the site and I understand the descendants following on in the lineage. I should have used a new paragraph for my final comments.

What I was trying to say is that the BCs, because of their lineage, apparently think it is beneath them to co-operate in the investigation of Allison's murder. That is the impression I get anyway. JMO

Thanks. Sorry I misunderstood.
 
Wow Woof! (cue Elvis music: :Banane53:) You aint nothin' but a hound dog! (A bloodhound!!!) Perhaps this is yet another of Allison's legacies - we will all become more vigilant and notice what is going on around us. Eg. I often hear 'gunshots' nearby, but just think: oh, there's another 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 having a potshot at some poor little bunny...BUT...It ain't necessarily so!!

Why thank you. And I love the Elvis song. Now I'll probably hum it all day. It will be a tribute to Allison if the community is vigilant about safety and suspicious enough of unusual things to take note of them and report them to police if required. Imagine if the witness who saw the two cars behaving unusually on the 20th April thought to quickly follow them and take note of licence plates.
 
I've been thinking about Olivia Walton and her behaviour since day one, and that of the parents. I wonder what she knew/thought, what she thinks now, (since the bail hearing) and whether she now thinks Gerard (and maybe her father or even mother) were responsible for Allison's death and cover-up.

If I try and put myself in the same situation, if someone in my family had been murdered and another family member/s was refusing to cooperate with police and give what could be crucial info, I would be sooo angry and disgusted. I just could not support that one iota, and I feel I'd just want to disassociate myself from them, quite possibly forever.

Of course it's possible that she thought Gerard was innocent (maybe she still does), but I wonder now with the knowledge of the facetime call to NBC (if she didn't know of that already) how she feels about it all now.

I feel really sorry for her children, it must be dreadful for them. So unfair :(

Especially when you are a Christian and honesty, integrity, decency and justice are things you're supposed to stand up for.
 
There are a few people MIA from here lately - I miss WI - where is he?

I miss his funny Latin comments and there are a few other members who haven't joined in on the conversations for a while.

Come back WI :)

:fireworks: Sending up a flare!
 
Especially when you are a Christian and honesty, integrity, decency and justice are things you're supposed to stand up for.

Indeed Woof. I know there's a lot of amazing Christians/religious folk out there, but there are a lot of very fake and shonky ones also.
 
I've been thinking about Olivia Walton and her behaviour since day one, and that of the parents. I wonder what she knew/thought, what she thinks now, (since the bail hearing) and whether she now thinks Gerard (and maybe her father or even mother) were responsible for Allison's death and cover-up.(

Also, with regards to EBC, it's possible she knew nothing of the call around midnight (though I think that's somewhat unlikely), but now that she does definitely know, how could you even stand to look at that man? (NBC)

I know I couldn't if it was my partner and the same situation.

IF they're not involved in the murder in any way, they're probably in denial...just as we saw with Sica's family members.

I don't know how GBC or his family are going to even attempt to explain away the face time call though. I don't think there's any getting out of that one at all.
 
IF they're not involved in the murder in any way, they're probably in denial...just as we saw with Sica's family members.

I don't know how GBC or his family are going to even attempt to explain away the face time call though. I don't think there's any getting out of that one at all.

I guess it could just be that they're in denial marlywings, but yes, as you say, that call just throws a huge spanner in the works.

I don't know much about the Max Sica case at all, as I wasn't living in Australia at the time of the murders. Of course I've heard a fair bit about it recently, but not aware of many of the details, and I don't want to even go there.

I'm pretty surprised how obsessed I've got with this case, but I guess many others feel the same.
 
I guess it could just be that they're in denial marlywings, but yes, as you say, that call just throws a huge spanner in the works.

I don't know much about the Max Sica case at all, as I wasn't living in Australia at the time of the murders. Of course I've heard a fair bit about it recently, but not aware of many of the details, and I don't want to even go there.

I'm pretty surprised how obsessed I've got with this case, but I guess many others feel the same.
i agree LM i know some people think i am mad
 
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