Allison Baden-Clay, GENERAL CASE DISCUSSION THREAD -#31

[Nads]

Hope you are feeling better......Ive had a bug since last sunday night.....Spent the day out for my little ones birthday (Allison's b'day), and have felt poorly since. xx

Tomorrow will be an interesting day.....Hugs everyone xx

I've been dripping with flu bugs the last three days too. Must be going round atm.

 

[marlywings]

I didn't see any reports of this early on Maigret, just recently, which is why I found it even more strange, but I wonder if I've imagined seeing this, as can't find anything saying similar now.

Of course if it was/is there it could just be dodgy reporting. There are still lots of articles out there saying Gerard said she went for a walk at 10pm the Thursday night. It's hard to know what to believe sometimes with so many different versions of things flying around.

It was indeed GBC who gave the different "walk" versions....from the bail hearing report...

June 23, 2012

To some, officers say, he said Allison liked to take a walk early in the morning. To his sister, Olivia Walton, he allegedly described a particular route. He told a close friend of Allison's that she would walk at 10pm each night and he described to Allison's parents two different walking routes.

But when police asked, they said he told them he had no idea where she would have gone walking.

http://www.news.com.au/national/ger...d-in-court-claim/story-e6frfkvr-1226406037780

 

[Onlyone]

I think that is a wonderful idea & a beautiful tribute to a woman and mother who should still be with us.

 

[marlywings]

Still really bothers me about Allison being murdered at home while the children were there. I still have the thought of the possibility of Allison being murdered at the C21 office - (away from nosey neighbours and no close residential ppty there), her body loaded into the Captiva that was backed up to the lift well in the underground carpark. Children could have been left untended at home or with another party there watching over them. I am still not sure it was totally premeditated and planned to occur at that stage but who knows - maybe, just maybe. Guess the thought of children being present and not knowing whether they heard anything or not haunts everyone.

Just my speculation and a thought that remains in the back of my mind.
Woombite

It was reported from the bail hearing that the children were at home that night.

Also from bail hearing report....

June 27, 2012

The 41-year-old real estate agent has since been charged with Mrs Baden-Clay's murder at their Brookfield home on April 19.

He has also been charged with interfering with her body, by moving her to the creek where she was found.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz2002i7Plz

 

[Mothergoose]

A quote from Olivia.

http://www.news.com.au/national/sea...lison-baden-clay/story-e6frfkvr-1226337675767


"I don't know what more Gerard can say ... he's going through the wringer at the moment.

"The guy's under enormous stress at the moment and he's tired.

"He's spoken to the police endlessly* they have all the information about it.''

I noticed in that link it seems to imply that Allison suffering from depression was common knowledge to her friends.

It reads:-

Friends claim she suffered from depression but would have returned home for her daughters' sake .


I hadn't read that before and from comments I've read on here thought it was just something Olivia and GBC referred to in THAT interview.It was sort of discussed here as 'Sure they would say she had depression'. Inferring that they just made it up. Can't find the posts. So I wonder if she really did or didn't and how serious/or not it was. There are varying degrees of depression. Bless her heart.
Just wondering.

 

[marlywings]

Hi everyone

Although I don't post that often I find a great comfort in this site and all the beautiful caring people who are devoted to seeing justice delivered for Allison.

Does anyone remember who posted the rumour that GBC & NBC were cleaning the car and something about a vacuum bag when the police arrived.. I have searched but can't find it.

Thanks in advance

This was the first mention re the vacuum cleaner bag from member "itsthevibe"...

"Also from the same source was that when police were doing their searches, they wanted to seize the contents of a vacuum cleaner dust bag, and NBC refused to give it to them if they didn't have a search warrant. (I'm assuming this was at the NBC house but I dont know for sure)"

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8026080&postcount=403"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #19[/ame]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175051&page=17

 

[Firesnake]

Hi Firesnake and yeah that was the same ex. I guess deep down i really still do love him. I think the main problem was we had only known each other 6 months before we got married. I know that's a stupid thing to do and i now know not to rush into getting married so quick. We were married close on 6 years but in that 6 years i went through hell. I'm alot happier now but as i said deep down (and i don't know why) i still love him more than anything in the world. I couldn't go back to him though because he is way too violent and i don't know what he would do to me next

Thanks for answering that Angel1. I understand what you are saying.

 

[J-Diggety]

KG1: Could you mention this to QPolice? or Crimestoppers? Could be useful.

The people handling the forensics of the phone would be absolute geniuses and would nt have left a stone unturned.

I worked with a program called XRY and the information we gathered from phones was astounding. These guys would be so many steps in front of us, it wouldn't be funny.

 

[Maigret]

I noticed in that link it seems to imply that Allison suffering from depression was common knowledge to her friends.

It reads:-

Friends claim she suffered from depression but would have returned home for her daughters' sake .


I hadn't read that before and from comments I've read on here thought it was just something Olivia and GBC referred to in THAT interview.It was sort of discussed here as 'Sure they would say she had depression'. Inferring that they just made it up. Can't find the posts. So I wonder if she really did or didn't and how serious/or not it was. There are varying degrees of depression. Bless her heart.
Just wondering.

who wouldn't be depressed married to such a 'catch'- just imagine what you might 'catch'- not all depressed people go and tuck them selves up under a bridge and quietly die to suit their philandering husbands though

 

[Maigret]

This was the first mention re the vacuum cleaner bag from member "itsthevibe"...

"Also from the same source was that when police were doing their searches, they wanted to seize the contents of a vacuum cleaner dust bag, and NBC refused to give it to them if they didn't have a search warrant. (I'm assuming this was at the NBC house but I dont know for sure)"

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #19

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175051&page=17

must have been at the NBC house as the family home was a crime scene from early on and they wouldn't have needed a search warrant, perhaps senior BC took the vacuum cleaner away with him on the Friday morning (if he was there of course )

 

[Fuskier]

The people handling the forensics of the phone would be absolute geniuses and would nt have left a stone unturned.

I worked with a program called XRY and the information we gathered from phones was astounding. These guys would be so many steps in front of us, it wouldn't be funny.

That's reassuring.

 

[linette]

Lauramars
Thank you for that post.

Angel
I read your post yesterday and it upset me and didn't know how to respond, as I was at the same time worried for you and to a certain degree angry that even after reading all the stories on here and the way in which Allison ended her life that you could still think like that.

LauraMars put it beautifully and I hope you know that we are all hoping you will never out yourself in a situation where you willbe treated like that! It is not love, it is violence and no one should have to put up with that.

That's the difficult part about this kind of violence (I refuse to call it domestic violence or family violence as it IMO makes its somehow seem acceptable), and like Allison's mother said that's she wished Allison had talked about what she was dealing with and not kept so much inside.

I am sorry Angel that I did not respond straight away to your post as talking about it is always better than keeping it in, and maybe will allow you to move on. But please know you are never alone.

It worried me too, when I read Angel's post, and I agree that Laura Mars said it beautifully. I always worry when I hear someone would have their ex back in those circumstances.
Sometimes I think it's a case of "we love who we THOUGHT they were, not who they REALLY WERE."
I also wanted to respond to the post, but didn't really know how to put it in a way that didn't sound picky.
I hope Angel knows that she deserves so much better than that treatment. BIG HUGS{{{}}}

 

[marlywings]

I noticed in that link it seems to imply that Allison suffering from depression was common knowledge to her friends.
It reads:-

Friends claim she suffered from depression but would have returned home for her daughters' sake .

I hadn't read that before and from comments I've read on here thought it was just something Olivia and GBC referred to in THAT interview.It was sort of discussed here as 'Sure they would say she had depression'. Inferring that they just made it up. Can't find the posts. So I wonder if she really did or didn't and how serious/or not it was. There are varying degrees of depression. Bless her heart.
Just wondering.

I think we're all sure where that "depression" thing came from...

April 27, 2012 12:00AM

Friends yesterday described the 41-year-old real estate principal as a "mess" who believed his wife's disappearance was linked to depression.

They said he was a "gentle" man who believed his wife would eventually return home.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/...for-wife-goes-on/story-fn6ck45n-1226339259308

 

[Mothergoose]

who wouldn't be depressed married to such a 'catch'- just imagine what you might 'catch'- not all depressed people go and tuck them selves up under a bridge and quietly die to suit their philandering husbands though

Yes you're right on both counts but sadly some depressed individuals do end up under bridges.. However I guess I should have added that IMO .....If Allison was clinically depressed the defense will sure as hell make a noise about it.

My 37 year old son jumped from his 4th story unit in 2004 (now paraplegic). I had spoken to him the 2 days before and he was on top of the world. There was no way any of the family could have foreseen it.He was diagnosed as clinically depressed.

 

[Rational]

Thanks Mothergoose. I will keep this quote together with Hawkins'postprinted out on my desk!

I have had an idea and I will throw it out there for anyway to comment on. What if in Allison's memory we do something like get some Sunflower pins made up and sell them for a few dollars. The meaning of wearing the pins means that the wearer can, if approached and agreeable, will talk to someone who doesn't feel comfortable talking to anyone else about issues or problems just like Angel or indeed like Allison.

Too often, we do not feel comfortable talking to anyone in our own sphere as we may think it would deconstruct our external persona. And like many of us have found we feel more comfortable sharing our deepest buried domestic issues with complete strangers behind a 'nom de plume' and an avatar.

Een just wearing the pin as a quiet gesture that we are supportive of women struggling with physical and emotional violence and abuse could be a lasting memory.

The money could go to the trust fund for the girls.

What does anyone think?

Just a bit more on this idea. I have been looking at manufactures online and there is some real possibilities. I am happy to follow this through, but looking online I there are some lovely key rings which could be used by men and women. A pin may be a bit old fashioned - haha coming from a 57 yr old. But IMO keying more useful, gender neutral, can be used as handbag tag whatever. Price for 500 is depending on quality between $2,50 and $3,50. We could sell for $5 and if we go for one around $3 we could put about $1,000 into trust fund. I am happy to do the ordering etc. but would need to know how many people would say take 10 to either give away as presents or sell in workplace. (Xmas only five months away!!!) before I go any further.

Please sent me a Private Message so I can get an idea

 

[marlywings]

must have been at the NBC house as the family home was a crime scene from early on and they wouldn't have needed a search warrant, perhaps senior BC took the vacuum cleaner away with him on the Friday morning (if he was there of course )

Yes I think it was this day when they may have asked for the vacuum cleaner bag.....

April 26, 2012

Earlier, eight police officers spent an hour at a house in Brisbane's west where Mr Baden-Clay and his three daughters have been staying.

Three police cars arrived at 9am and eight officers entered the house, which is home to the parents of Mrs Baden-Clay's husband, Gerard.

The officers left at 10am with several evidence bags, including one containing an Apple laptop computer and a hard-drive.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...lison-baden-clay/story-e6freoof-1226338602877

 

[linette]

Yes you're right on both counts but sadly some depressed individuals do end up under bridges.. However I guess I should have added that IMO .....If Allison was clinically depressed the defense will sure as hell make a noise about it.

My 37 year old son jumped from his 4th story unit in 2004 (now paraplegic). I had spoken to him the 2 days before and he was on top of the world. There was no way any of the family could have foreseen it.He was diagnosed as clinically depressed.

I'm so sorry to hear about your son MG. I have heard it said though that it's common for suicidal people to feel on top of the world once they have decided what they are going to do, therefore it makes it almost impossible for someone to pick up on just how their mental state is at the time. It's as though the weight of the world has been lifted from their shoulders because they know it'll all be over for them soon.

It's a very sad thing all round. It can be so hard to tell what's really happening, can't it?

 

[Mothergoose]

I think we're all sure where that "depression" thing came from...

April 27, 2012 12:00AM

Friends yesterday described the 41-year-old real estate principal as a "mess" who believed his wife's disappearance was linked to depression.

They said he was a "gentle" man who believed his wife would eventually return home.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/...for-wife-goes-on/story-fn6ck45n-1226339259308

Thanks Marlywings I was just eluding to the fact that when THAT interview was discussed some posters thought he was "Just saying that" (she was depressed) to detract suspicion from himself. After reading it was common knowledge to her friends I was just wonder how seriously she was depressed.The defense will milk it dry I'm sure. What a dreadful situation she was in coping with all she had on her shoulders whilst in the depths of depression. IMO

http://www.news.com.au/national/sear...-1226337675767

 

[Bayside]

OT, sorry guys. I have so much catching up to do, but have to thank you for your kind thoughts.

You have to be the most caring bunch of people that I have 'never' met.

Thank you :tyou:

Get well CJ..... I have limited internet 3g here on Gilligans Island lol.

 

[J-Diggety]

That's reassuring.

Agree, I can't wait for more of the phone info to come to light.