Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #33

[Gemini Girl]

Have just reread GBC's blog. What a joke! This saying comes to mind. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

One of his favourite movies is the 'Mission Impossible' series.

"Gerard's personal philosophies of ethical excellence and team loyalty, derived from his lineage as the great-grandson of international Scouts founder Baden Powell, have found their perfect landing spot in the field of real estate. Gerard’s commitment to the local community is genuine and entrenched. In addition to his own family – wife Allison and three young daughters – much of the extended Baden-Clay family also lives within the 4069 postcode. Gerard is a keen supporter of the local Scouts and..."

http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907839226403813399

good grief

where is the "barfing" emoticon when you need it?

You'll have me talking to BP's picture on the wall again soon lol

JMO MOO

 

[Aunty]

Ok, I'm going to drive up road and see if you are correct. ( with it switched off)
Be back soon.

Took it to neighbours house in Sleep mode.
Back at home, logged into app....
Yes, I can see it at my neighbours property. ( put it in their garden)

Back at neighbours house, turned phone completely off using 2 buttons held down for a few seconds.(Had to wake it up to do this) Walked with it completely off back to my house.

Now in kitchen again , logged into app...
It is now showing a red dot( meaning phone turned off)
It is showing me it is still at the neighbours property :what: ( so it does not show it is back at my house)
It is telling me how many minutes ago ( 16mins) it was last located (switched off) and the place where i switched it off ( at my neighbours house)

I am also able to see exactly where it was , when it was switched off.
This info would be in police hands.
They would know where the phone was switched off and what time that was.
If it was switched off , back at the house , at say 2 am, then The police would know this.

 

[DunnoZo]

These accounts may very well exist but whereabouts in MSM does it mention this is "on public record"???...for it to be classed as "fact", as you've suggested, I think we're supposed to supply a link. Is there a link??

MW! can I quote you on this?

BBM

 

[YoureNicked]

What the heck is a "caterpillar witness"??

The person who apparently can make a statement attesting to Gerard's caterpillar story.

http://m.smh.com.au/queensland/accu...enclay-denied-bail-20120622-20s73.html?page=2
Alleged scratches found on Mr Baden-Clay’s face and torso were also mentioned in court.

"Mr Davis said the marks on his client’s torso were related to a “caterpillar incident” and he had witness statements attesting to that."

 

[DunnoZo]

The person who apparently can make a statement attesting to Gerard's caterpillar story.

http://m.smh.com.au/queensland/accu...enclay-denied-bail-20120622-20s73.html?page=2
Alleged scratches found on Mr Baden-Clay’s face and torso were also mentioned in court.

"Mr Davis said the marks on his client’s torso were related to a “caterpillar incident” and he had witness statements attesting to that."

Thanks, I just find it comical.

 

[BJsleuth]

What the heck is a "caterpillar witness"??

Now I have visions of police interrogating a caterpillar! :floorlaugh:

 

[Aunty]

This article emphatically says mobile phones are untraceable when switched off.
http://greenreview.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/can-cell-phones-track-your-movements.html?m=1

I would expect the battery to last far longer than Allison's did if the phone was switched off and only broadcasting GPS location.

Sorry Walk A Mile, Your link is correct. I just tested it and I was wrong, sorry.
I thought Sleep mode was same as switched off. They are 2 very different things.
Thanks Dr Wason for the clarification.
So...
Switched off ( pressing both buttons for a few seconds) (Allison's phone would show its location when switched off and how long ago it was switched off. So the police would know the time and location that GBC allegedly turned it off. That would be interesting to know and would be a nice piece to this puzzle.
Sleep mode( pressing 1 button only)

 

[DrWatson]

Took it to neighbours house in Sleep mode.
Back at home, logged into app....
Yes, I can see it at my neighbours property. ( put it in their garden)

Back at neighbours house, turned phone completely off using 2 buttons held down for a few seconds.(Had to wake it up to do this) Walked with it completely off back to my house.

Now in kitchen again , logged into app...
It is now showing a red dot( meaning phone turned off)
It is showing me it is still at the neighbours property :what: ( so it does not show it is back at my house)
It is telling me how many minutes ago ( 16mins) it was last located (switched off) and the place where i switched it off ( at my neighbours house)

I am also able to see exactly where it was , when it was switched off.
This info would be in police hands.
They would know where the phone was switched off and what time that was.
If it was switched off , back at the house , at say 2 am, then The police would know this.

OK - so we've confirmed that it shows the last known position, and doesn't update once it is switched off. It also records when the location signal was lost/switched off.

However, just thinking logically again (don't you just hate it when I keep trying to do that?) - we only have GBC's text about "the App" from which we assume that Allison ever had the "Find My iPhone" app activated at all. She may NEVER have had it activated....

I have my lovely wife's app activated, as she has been known(!!) to leave her phone in all sorts of places. Including two phones put through the washing machine! But Allison may never have had that app activated at all - as I said, we only have GBC's text referring to "the App isn't working" from which we are assuming that (a) he means the "Find My iPhone" app, and (b) that she did have it working at some point.

But again - the police would know, from logging into their iCloud/MobileMe service, if the app had ever been activated and when it was turned off.

Thanks for doing that test Aunty - appreciated. That's cleared up a couple of points for sure.

PS: To switch the iPhone off, you don't need to press TWO buttons - that reboots it. All you need is the one button on the top. A SHORT press puts the phone into sleep mode. A LONG press and hold, will put the "Power Off" slider on the screen, and you slide that to turn the phone off.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Took it to neighbours house in Sleep mode.
Back at home, logged into app....
Yes, I can see it at my neighbours property. ( put it in their garden)

Back at neighbours house, turned phone completely off using 2 buttons held down for a few seconds.(Had to wake it up to do this) Walked with it completely off back to my house.

Now in kitchen again , logged into app...
It is now showing a red dot( meaning phone turned off)
It is showing me it is still at the neighbours property :what: ( so it does not show it is back at my house)
It is telling me how many minutes ago ( 16mins) it was last located (switched off) and the place where i switched it off ( at my neighbours house)

I am also able to see exactly where it was , when it was switched off.
This info would be in police hands.
They would know where the phone was switched off and what time that was.
If it was switched off , back at the house , at say 2 am, then The police would know this.

Well then - that the cold hard facts of it. I bow to the proof.... :deadhorse:

 

[YoureNicked]

Thanks DrWatson for clarifying the 'find my phone' issue and Aunty for testing things out.

 

[Radster]

The second time with your eyes open !!?! :floorlaugh:

Interestingly, when John Jarratt moved to Brisbane's inner west from Sydney with his family after Wolf Creek had finished shooting, he sought finance from local businesses to fund his next movie project. GBC, having met Jarratt when he applied for a rental property in Kenmore, agreed to lend assistance by allowing Jarratt to use C21's administrative support (photocopying script proposals etc). Just an interesting coincidence and no, I don't have a "link" for this and nor do I know why my last post was deleted. The machinations behind this forum are sometimes perplexing, with the most far-fetched theories given credence and anything actually close to the people involved summarily dismissed and ridiculed. I participate on this site due to my desire to get closer to the truth, assuming that some people on here are privy to relevant information, not for a free fantasy fix. Just saying.

 

[minni]

I think some folks may be confusing a couple of things here.

When the phone is turned OFF (as opposed to being in Sleep Mode), it does NOT ping the cells or the carrier. Or do anything. It is OFF.

When the phone is in SLEEP MODE - it does continue to ping the carrier. Also, location services, if switched on, will continue to work.

The "Find My iPhone" app (and the iPad equivalent) will continue to show the LAST KNOWN POSITION, even when turned off - as that is stored at the Apple server. BUT - it won't update that position.

In other words, when you turned your phone off on the kitchen table, and tried to locate it, it showed the last known position. But if you were to take that phone - while still switched OFF - to somewhere else, it would still show up as being on your kitchen table (or close to it).

An iPhone that is switched off doesn't ping the carrier - that's why they ask you to turn it off on a plane - they don't want it pinging to try and find a carrier. Even in flight mode, the wireless component is turned off (carrier ping, GPS, data and wifi - all are off in flight mode).

Hope that all makes sense.

So, if Allison's phone was switched on when lost, it would still be pinging the carrier, and that is how they would have triangulated it. If the "Find My iPhone" app was activated, then logging onto Allison's (or the family's) iCloud (or MobileMe) service from any computer would show the last known position of the phone to within a couple of metres. But presumably it didn't - hence the comment in GBC's text message (innocent or otherwise). So they only have the carrier signal to try and locate. "Find My iPhone" was presumably deactivated or not turned on, or location services was turned off on Allison's phone.

Doc, just assume we are running with that theory that Allison took off from her home that night and ran up Boscombe road after a nasty argument or domestic at home, she would be aware of the 'find my phone' app if they had been using it to negate the trust issues which someone implied that they were using this app earlier on. She may have remembered as she heading up Boscombe road, and turned it off. This would account for the close proximity to the house where the police believe the phone to be.

Thinking further, It might also have been the reason the police initially stated that she may have been killed as early as 8.30 pm. Would there be evidence of the time she switched it off? If it WAS that early though, it would imply she took off at 8.30, and it wouldnt have taken her so long to get to where the screams were heard, if they are to be believed.


just a thought

 

[minni]

Took it to neighbours house in Sleep mode.
Back at home, logged into app....
Yes, I can see it at my neighbours property. ( put it in their garden)

Back at neighbours house, turned phone completely off using 2 buttons held down for a few seconds.(Had to wake it up to do this) Walked with it completely off back to my house.

Now in kitchen again , logged into app...
It is now showing a red dot( meaning phone turned off)
It is showing me it is still at the neighbours property :what: ( so it does not show it is back at my house)
It is telling me how many minutes ago ( 16mins) it was last located (switched off) and the place where i switched it off ( at my neighbours house)

I am also able to see exactly where it was , when it was switched off.
This info would be in police hands.
They would know where the phone was switched off and what time that was.
If it was switched off , back at the house , at say 2 am, then The police would know this.

wow thankyou Aunty,, I just asked this exact question. Rmember when the police thought Alliosn may have been killed as early as 8.30? I wonder what gave them that indication? thought it my have to do with the switching off of the app.

 

[Curiousasacat]

Thanks Aunty, good work.

 

[Curiousasacat]

Interestingly, when John Jarratt moved to Brisbane's inner west from Sydney with his family after Wolf Creek had finished shooting, he sought finance from local businesses to fund his next movie project. GBC, having met Jarratt when he applied for a rental property in Kenmore, agreed to lend assistance by allowing Jarratt to use C21's administrative support (photocopying script proposals etc). Just an interesting coincidence and no, I don't have a "link" for this and nor do I know why my last post was deleted. The machinations behind this forum are sometimes perplexing, with the most far-fetched theories given credence and anything actually close to the people involved summarily dismissed and ridiculed. I participate on this site due to my desire to get closer to the truth, assuming that some people on here are privy to relevant information, not for a free fantasy fix. Just saying.

I appreciate all the posters. Please keep giving your input I like yours.

 

[Radster]

It would be good to know the dynamics of GBC's individual relationships with each of his family members. Was he a mummy's boy? Did he do as he was told without question, like a good boy scout? or was he defiant? Is he younger or older Than Olivia, making her big sister who he adored, or little sister who he wasnt really close to? does the mother rule the roost?Are they always tightlipped or just since the murder? Is their family a monarchy, or a democracy?

I certainly assume to know half of these answers, but they are all eally guesses. If we knew a bit more, I think we could definitely investigate further any likely chances of assistance or cover ups involving other family members or not?

Also, Summer Breeze, we have actively been discussing NBC as a POI for a while now. Earlier, we had many suspicions about all the family, but at soe point, we dropped off on the others and just focused on NBC. Are we not able to consider OW again? If we MOO our way through and just toss ideas around? We arent injecting a new name or mistress or someone into the mix thats never been interviewed by police before?

I believe OW and her family used to live right beside (or behind) the senior BCs with a little gate between the two houses for the kids to go between home and the grandies. So I would imagine they have a pretty close relationship. If OW owned the house, they may well still own it and be renting it out... no idea. No link either! Scandalous ...

 

[Radster]

does anyone think she is the person they put the pressure on?

Yes. I have posted this many times. The police visited her in Townsville the day before GBC's arrest. Personally I think that is relevant in terms of timing. It doesn't mean she is necessarily guilty of anything but may have suspected something or had that one extra piece of the puzzle that the DPP needed. I'm sure all will be revealed. MOO.

 

[minni]

YOur Nicked, I had a nagging feeling about those castor plants whilst we were at the bridge, and I dont know what Mani was thinking or feeling regarding them, but she talked about them several times, and specifically made sure there were photos taken of them. Now I think I know what was bugging me. The smell of them was reminding me of the prickly plants that give you rashes, cant think , maybe lantana? either way, they smell like the prickly weedy plants. That was the connection that was bugging me....and may have even been part of my gut feeling that she was placed there. I couldnt say why I feel strongly about it, and I know sense of smell can be a powerful activator of the mind...anyway, maybe its nothing, but you triggered something then that clicks for me

 

[Walk A Mile]

Took it to neighbours house in Sleep mode.
Back at home, logged into app....
Yes, I can see it at my neighbours property. ( put it in their garden)

Back at neighbours house, turned phone completely off using 2 buttons held down for a few seconds.(Had to wake it up to do this) Walked with it completely off back to my house.

Now in kitchen again , logged into app...
It is now showing a red dot( meaning phone turned off)
It is showing me it is still at the neighbours property :what: ( so it does not show it is back at my house)
It is telling me how many minutes ago ( 16mins) it was last located (switched off) and the place where i switched it off ( at my neighbours house)

I am also able to see exactly where it was , when it was switched off.
This info would be in police hands.
They would know where the phone was switched off and what time that was.
If it was switched off , back at the house , at say 2 am, then The police would know this.

Weren't the police reported to be triangulating the location based on information from the carrier? If accurate, that would suggest GPS and WIFI were switched off or not working but the phone was switched on and still registering on the cellular network. That would explain why they couldn't pinpoint an exact location - Find My iPhone would only be reporting the last known location so it would be no help, and the carrier's network is less precise about exact coordinates.

The GPS only works with a clear view of the sky, and the accuracy is enhanced using information about the WIFI networks nearby. If WIFI was switched off and the phone was unable to see the sky (pocket, bag, blanket), it wouldn't provide a lot of useful information. You might even have trouble pinpointing when it left the BC house.

The phone was reported to be switched on when dumped - remember all the reports of trying to find it as the signal faded and the battery went flat. That's not how you'd describe trying to locate a phone that was reporting its location to the Find My iPhone app. The flattened battery would not erase the logged information.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Have edited my post of 8.45am #1161 where I proposed the phone pinging theory. I've removed the offending sentence, so should anyone accidentally trip over it I won't have started a new bum steer.

Good to see us all keeping each other honest with our theories. Thanks team - back to my real job now.