Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #33

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#876 05-16-2012, 05:19 AM
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I was told from a sensible source someone saw a white 4wd and another 'smaller blue car' parked very close behind it on Mt Crosby road. The person saw the cars in their own headlights and near the lit corner of the Anstead 'shops'.

I thought it seemed a bit obvious that a white 4wd was involved, but must have come from more than one source now I guess.

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Thanks Marly. There was also another one about a sighting at Sugars and Kangaroo Gully Rds. It freaked me out at the time, as it's not far from where I grew up and where some of my family still live. I have done the search with key words (just like you've taught us) but I can't find it. Please don't worry yourself though - it was just interesting that mani asked about another way to Mt Crosby Rd and I remembered that post :)
 
Thanks Marly. There was also another one about a sighting at Sugars and Kangaroo Gully Rds. It freaked me out at the time, as it's not far from where I grew up and where some of my family still live. I have done the search with key words (just like you've taught us) but I can't find it. Please don't worry yourself though - it was just interesting that mani asked about another way to My Crosby Rd and I remembered that post :)

Would this be it Bellgirl.


05-20-2012, 07:48 AM
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Posted By laserdisc10
Over on the Aussiecrims site (and this is heresay...

Over on the Aussiecrims site (and this is heresay and rumour) a woman who described herself as a local woman who'd been interviewed twice by the police, said the two vehicles were seen at the junction of Kangaroo Gully and Sugar roads. She said it was 'fact', if memory serves
 
Would this be it Bellgirl.


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Posted By laserdisc10
Over on the Aussiecrims site (and this is heresay...

Over on the Aussiecrims site (and this is heresay and rumour) a woman who described herself as a local woman who'd been interviewed twice by the police, said the two vehicles were seen at the junction of Kangaroo Gully and Sugar roads. She said it was 'fact', if memory serves

Marly, are you a computer?
 
Oh I am sorry Whatif!!!!
I just naturally assumed Marly answered that one. My mistake. You too are super fast also!

and Im leaving my previous question up because, actually, I really want to know
 
Have a think about this. The FaceTime call was made 12.30am. The BCs are probably in bed asleep. What other reason to be up at that time? (Unless contacted earlier on Allison's still apparently missing mobile). Now something goes unexpected and awry with Allison & GBC calls the mobile.

Some people sleep with the mobile beside bed like I do but most older folks do not as they're not as addicted to their phones as we are. The phone I'd say must have rung for a while to even be answered by NBC in the middle of thr might, especially if not in the bedroom. If it was beside the bed it may have been answered quickly perhaps but again many don't have their phone beside bed.

So if out in kitchen for example and OW was there she may have answered it quicker as it is also likely that the BCs being older may not have even heard it ringing. Not saying theyre deaf but senses often slow down as you age. Another point is this. Most older people don't even have FaceTime set up on their iphones. It's very interesting GBC and NBC did. In fact the question is why, unless you had something weird going on, would you even use that mode?. To call FaceTime you have to select it usually on your iPhone. Meaning it definitely is an intentional act.

I just find it odd that older BCs were so techno savvy and even answered the call at that hour. For many older parents if you rang At that time of the night it'd ring out before they got out of bed, if heard at all. Necessitating a call back as clearly something was up in the middle of the night if the phone is ringing. But perhaps it was beside the bed. I wonder if the BCs phone records were checked? And also, Allison's phone service even without her phone would be able to see when/who her last calls were to.

yes, thats why i think ow probably answered the call and then had to wake nbc quickly though to fit into tje 1.23 minute time frame. it does seem odd nbc had face time, and really like you say, for what everyday purpose?
but maybe he prided himself with being tech savvy for his age?
 
Oh I am sorry Whatif!!!!
I just naturally assumed Marly answered that one. My mistake. You too are super fast also!

and Im leaving my previous question up because, actually, I really want to know

Lol, not so fast, just a little bored! Not much happening tonight so I thought I'd look for it. Not sure if it's the right one though. :smile:
 
Would this be it Bellgirl.


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Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #10
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Posted By laserdisc10
Over on the Aussiecrims site (and this is heresay...

Over on the Aussiecrims site (and this is heresay and rumour) a woman who described herself as a local woman who'd been interviewed twice by the police, said the two vehicles were seen at the junction of Kangaroo Gully and Sugar roads. She said it was 'fact', if memory serves

That's it! Thanks whatif? In that thread I see that Pullenvale4069 had also heard the same info. But Laserdisc said that he read it on aussiecriminals, so I'll leave it there! Thanks again :)
 
The Hot Zone so named by QPS was near where the screams were heard and the active search zone was from Allison's house radiating out as you say ie the Hot Zone was different to the house as displayed on a map in a CM article before Allison's body was found.

I have seen many of your posts discounting theories put forward for discussion. Based on your verified expertise can you give us a summary of the circumstances and events of Allison's murder in your opinion?

Well, the way I look at it is that we have a very small number of facts - only those that have been confirmed in the MSM or that came out at the bail hearing.

So - there are many theories that have been put forward, and some of those theories may well be either close to the mark, or contain portions of the truth.

But - and this, unfortunately, is where my professional training kicks in - I try to look at what we KNOW (as opposed to what we think) and then try to work around that. I tend to try and think logically, and along evidence-based lines. The way we do in my professional life.

So I tend to read, then discount, some of the "wilder", more "out-there" theories that are based purely on "what if?" scenarios. Or on pure imagination or supposition. There is also a lot of emotive comment made, which is all fine, but doesn't really help in progressing towards a solution.

So, if we take ONLY the known facts, including where the body was found, it really doesn't amount to a lot that hangs together. Even the blood in the back of the car doesn't help us a lot, because the only other thing we know is that the defence allege that the only injury was the chipped tooth.

We have a person reported missing by her husband. We have a history of affairs. We have some very strange behaviour by the husband and his family. We have blood - apparently Allison's - in the back of one of the cars, but of an age that can't be determined that we know of.

We have the body of Allison found purely by chance, at a location which introduces a whole new set of factors - the proximity to the scout camp (given the BC's close ties to the scouts), the state of the body apparently giving the police some clues (but WE don't know what those are).

We have reports of screams somewhere along Rafting Ground Rd (which, by chance, happens to be the shortest route from the BC house to both the BC Seniors' house, and also to the road leading to Kholo Creek). But, as can be seen from posts over the last few days, there is some disagreement as to WHERE exactly those screams originated, given that the house of the man who reported them is quite some distance from Rees Way.

Apart from that - we really don't have too many facts.

There are all sorts of unconfirmed partial facts, such as NBC sitting at one of the bus stops near the roundabout at Kenmore. We have the very strange focus by the police on that same roundabout - but we have no idea why, exactly.

So - lots of guesses, lots of maybes, lots of character assessments, lots of presumptions, lots of - yes, sleuthing. And a lot of it is good stuff.

But - we still come back to the basic problem - we don't have anywhere NEAR enough facts on which to base theories. That's why I have posted a couple of times that unexpected twists should not come as a surprise.

As to MY theory? I don't have one. I'm deliberately trying NOT to have one.

Now the police have got a LOT more facts than we do, and they seem pretty convinced that GBC did it. But how, why, where? I don't even know whether THEY know it all yet.

And of course, there HAS to remain the possibility that GBC may NOT have done it... He may have been up to no good in all sorts of ways, and he may indeed have been up to some mischief on that night - about which he may want to say nothing and hence his silence and refusal to cooperate.

But that is about as far as my summary of things goes at the moment. I know that my continuing to harp on about reverting to the facts can rub some people the wrong way, but really, isn't that what real sleuthing is all about? ;)

Sorry for the long post. Just off to get some work-related stuff prepared for tomorrow, so will be missing in action for a couple of hours. Or hiding behind the sofa ducking from the incoming flak..... :truce:
 
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A running chronology of what I think we know definitely (ie that can be substantiated by either the police, public statements by friends and or other links)
Please feel free to add subtract or correct.

April 19
-GBC was due to attend Kenmore CC meeting at 7 am. No conformation if he attended.
-around 9 am GBCmade purchase at chemist. Chemist made statement to police
-Cross country race atchildren's school at which both GBCand ABCattended
- ABC goes to hairdresser stating that she has the night off as children are at sleepover 'hairdresser interviewed by police.
- ABC speaks to best friend over phone and says she will drop in on Friday after Pathways conference
-10 pm Argument overheard by neighbours, scream and muffled scream heard, dog barking loudly

April 20
GBC calls his father on FaceTime call around 12.30 am according to QPS affidavit at bail hearing.
-witness sees two 4wds, one white and smaller blue one , white one with parking lights, bluenose full lights, at around 4am near Anstead 2 km from Kholo Creek Bridge
-GBC texts Allison twice between 6.30 and 7 am
- 7.30 am GBC reports ABC missing to police
-GBC engages lawyer
- GBC observed with scratches to face and torso

April 21
- police declare crime scene and cars impounded

April 22
- GBCcrashes friend's car

April 23
Police declare GBC a POI along with a number of other people close to the couple

April 24
Heavy rain Greater Brisbane area

April 22- 25
-GBC engages barrister

April 25
- police spent 4 hrs interviewing a woman believed to be a former colleague of GBC. This woman subsequently hires a lawyer
- Police are urging anyone who saw the family cars if ABC and GBC on the night she vanished to come forward

April 26
Police search a house in Durness St Kenmore and executed a search warrant at a business.

April 27
Huge amount of rain in Brookfield and Anstead/Pullenvale catchment

April 30-now
-body of Allison found near Kholo Creek bridge on bank
- police keep asking anyone who saw anything suspicious near roundabout between 11 pm on April 19 and 4.30 am April 20 to contact them.
-Police say Allison knew her killer and possibly had an accomplice.
On 5 May police say that they now know that ABC was murdered before her body was dumped in a creek

Re mobile phone, it was reported that the mobile phone,which disappeared when ABC did, eventually ran flat however, before it did, police were able to triangulate it narrowing the location to Brookfield, Kenmore and Pullenvale.

Thank you to everyone who commented, greaat collective effort, but I will take individual responsibility for any mistakes and will try and correct!'
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Just to remind us this was a post pulled together by a number of posters contributing to what was known in thread 10. I thought it may be useful to repost.

the bolded bits were added today (15 July) by myself
 
the day that gbc was arrested, or maybe the day before, there was talk that qps flew to townsville to interview ow. where did that story come from?
 
does anyone think she is the person they put the pressure on?
 
On 5 May police say that they now know that ABC was murdered before her body was dumped in a creek

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what could prove to police she was murdered before she was moved to the creek?
 
the day that gbc was arrested, or maybe the day before, there was talk that qps flew to townsville to interview ow. where did that story come from?

Yep Radster...

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A friend told me yesterday that QPS travelled to Townsville on Wednesday to put pressure on Olivia. Very good source.

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what could prove to police she was murdered before she was moved to the creek?


Maybe the match drag marks from the creek area to skin missing on the body? Tho after 11 days in the elements I don't know.... Forensics is doing amazing things thee days.

I really want more info on these affidavits, cause I think they will sort a lot of the wheat from the chaff as far as our inferences go on here. I won't be using the Aussie crims site (don't worry) but I will have to investigate if these are available at all to the public.
 
the day that gbc was arrested, or maybe the day before, there was talk that qps flew to townsville to interview ow. where did that story come from?

That was Radster, Minni



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Yes, I agree. QPS must have had another search warrant for last night, and it could be it was granted on the basis of new info provided by someone else. The next few days will be interesting. I believe QPS will be releasing more bits of info as days go by.
A friend told me yesterday that QPS travelled to Townsville on Wednesday to put pressure on Olivia. Very good source.
 
what could prove to police she was murdered before she was moved to the creek?


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http://ten.com.au/ten-news-brisbane....video_m=201169
I have just had another look at these photos of the bloodstains in the car. If you look there is a clear horizontal line, which to me seems to indicate that the bloodstains were leaking out from a wrapping of some sort around Allison's body, maybe a tarp or carpet.
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I posted the above post on the wrong thread this morning. If you look at the bloodstains or luminal pictures you can clearly see a line. If it is Allison's blood in the back of the car, and the car was only 6 weeks in the possession of the family I would say it would give you a good indication that she was already murdered and her body moved, given the sightings of the cars etc.
All IMOO
 
Hi, that was me. That's all I know though. And I don't know for sure what sort of car it was, though think I was told it was a Holden. I'm fairly sure I heard it was silver. Don't want to mislead anyone. I was just reporting what I had heard. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

So who has the silver Holden??!
 
Maybe the match drag marks from the creek area to skin missing on the body? Tho after 11 days in the elements I don't know.... Forensics is doing amazing things thee days.

I really want more info on these affidavits, cause I think they will sort a lot of the wheat from the chaff as far as our inferences go on here. I won't be using the Aussie crims site (don't worry) but I will have to investigate if these are available at all to the public.

i think hawkins posted awhile back about the affidavits being available for sale to the the general public for a fee.
 
I really can't imagine OW being happy to be involved in the cover up of a murder, even if it was her own brother. She would be placing her brother over her husband and children. If it were my brother I would tell him, "I love you but I have a family of my own who need me. I am not risking my freedom for you. Man up and admit your guilt and take your punishment"
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