Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #34

[UnfoldingTruth]

Thanks Makara...I originally used "financial advisor searched" which took me to a post made by CaseClosed in which it mentioned "Someone mentioned yesterday another of his mistresses/financial advisor"....so I went to the thread prior to CC's post. Process of elimination from there as I know most of the members who wouldn't have mentioned it. Is an interesting post by CC especially if keep in mind that other post re "stalking Allison".

#142 05-21-2012, 01:13 PM
CaseClosed
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,131

I agree with you totally!!

I am now having some second thoughts about TM's involvement. What if she knows nothing of the murder and the second suspect is actually another of his mistresses? Someone mentioned yesterday (stating it was a fact, but no link to anything printed in MSM) that the husband's "financial adviser" had been interviewed, her computer confiscated and her home searched. What if this "financial adviser" is also a mistress??? Just speculating here with all of the above.

Really makes you wonder doesn't it? :what: Thank you Marly, great work. :rocker:

Just my brain working overtime but did the FFA try to pass herself off as Allison? Nah, surely not! :what:

Does make you wonder doesn't it. I have NO idea who this F.A. is and I am not wanting to sleuth her with no real facts to point towards her being involved in anything(nor would it be in TOS for WS). However it makes you wonder, was TM being played also, was there someone else on the 'scene' who was helping GBC out .. was there more people tied up in this than the 'players' that we have thought might be involved?

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I have given you a commitment and I intend to stick to it.

Every time I read that I love how it belies the fact that he can make a commitment with an intention other than upholding it. A commitment is your intention, with GBC is it sometimes a manipulation, a chess move, a trick? So much so he has to specify when it is his actual intention?

And ultimately he did not keep this commitment or intention to TM either.

Not sure his commitments would mean much IMO. I would thinking his marriage vows he would have made a committment to Allison also.. doesn't appear he may have kept that one either.. MOO

 

[Makara]

Does make you wonder doesn't it. I have NO idea who this F.A. is and I am not wanting to sleuth her with no real facts to point towards her being involved in anything(nor would it be in TOS for WS). However it makes you wonder, was TM being played also, was there someone else on the 'scene' who was helping GBC out .. was there more people tied up in this than the 'players' that we have thought might be involved?

BBM:

Yes UnfoldingTruth, I believe there were. And yes,TM was obviously being played by GBC. According to QPS he had another two mistresses that she didn't know about! IMO there were probably other dalliances that we haven't heard about. I think GBC liked to paddle it a lot of different ponds.

 

[Makara]

Not sure about the police call out. It has been discussed on here before and not sure if it is fact. To me I did always wonder why this was never mentioned in MSM, narrowing down a time frame initally could have been a huge help for potential witnesses. And why did police say that she could have been killed as early as 8pm(which was reported), this would mean they did not see her at 10pm. MOO

This is the frustrating thing, I read in the Courier Mail only days after GBC's arrest that there was a domestic disturbance reported on both the Wednesday night, 18th and again on Thursday night, 19th at Allison's home. I saw it written in black and white but when I went back to the site to copy and paste it here, the article had been amended and all reference to the domestic disturbances had disappeared. :banghead: I can only assume that QPS didn't want that information published at this stage and the CM was told to edit it out entirely.

MOO:

 

[marlywings]

Did they both attend a counseling session that night while the girls were being looked after by Nigelaine?

Mr Baden-Clay had also told police he and Mrs Baden-Clay had been attending counselling services over his infidelity, which had ceased

Besides that, I think he may have attended .1 of the counselling sessions...he didn't have time with all the other mistresses hanging off him plus he wasn't planning on staying with her anyway.

I still feel that GBC and the girls were at Nigelaine's on the Thursday night while Allison was at the hairdresser. Whether she joined them there later is debatable I suppose. Perhaps she decided to just grab some take-away to enjoy in front of the TV before getting organized for the conference on Friday and that's where GBC found her when he returned with the girls.

Another thing I've been thinking about is that perhaps the girls were woken up late that night and taken to Nigelaine's by one of the BC females so as to remove them from the 'scene' and were returned home early to get ready for school. Is this what one of the girl's let slip to the police?

All my opinion and speculation only.

I'm wondering if the financial adviser, being the handy little offsider, stayed at the house while the girls were asleep, GBC & NBC took off to Kholo/Anstead

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

BBM:

Yes UnfoldingTruth, I believe there were. And yes,TM was obviously being played by GBC. According to QPS he had another two mistresses that she didn't know about! IMO there were probably other dalliances that we haven't heard about. I think GBC liked to paddle it a lot of different ponds.

I think you could be right there. I think there are probably quite a few we do not know about yet. And by me saying was she being played.... I mean the whole kit and kaboodle..the I will be with you commitment, when in fact there was another he was really involved with in maybe a few things(like murder???? or the organization of it ot other shady business deals that is all a part of this while thing)..and he never had intention to be with TM? I may be getting carried away in my thoughts.. It does though raise a few questions..IMO

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

This is the frustrating thing, I read in the Courier Mail only days after GBC's arrest that there was a domestic disturbance had been reported on both the Wednesday night, 18th and Thursday night, 19th at Allison's home. I saw it written in black and white but when I went back to the site to copy and paste it here, the article had been amended and all reference to the domestic disturbances had disappeared. :banghead: I can only assume that QPS didn't want that information published at this stage and the CM was told to edit it out entirely.

MOO:

Interesting. thanks for that. I don't think I read that. I have found the CM has done that a bit throughout this case.. you read something then go back to link it and the article has been pulled or changed quite alot and what you read is no longer there. Makes it hard for WS to quote!(and link)

 

[itsthevibe]

Does make you wonder doesn't it. I have NO idea who this F.A. is and I am not wanting to sleuth her with no real facts to point towards her being involved in anything(nor would it be in TOS for WS). However it makes you wonder, was TM being played also, was there someone else on the 'scene' who was helping GBC out .. was there more people tied up in this than the 'players' that we have thought might be involved?

I can just vaguely recall that this Financial Adviser was mentioned very early on, and at that stage there was no negative connotations about her, and her name a link was posted. It may have been through info found on the C21 website. I just had a feeling I actually looked at the F.A's website and saw a photo of her. Or was that the gym instructor? We've covered so much ground her it's all becoming a bit of a blur!

 

[Makara]

I can just vaguely recall that this Financial Adviser was mentioned very early on, and at that stage there was no negative connotations about her, and her name a link was posted. It may have been through info found on the C21 website. I just had a feeling I actually looked at the F.A's website and saw a photo of her. Or was that the gym instructor? We've covered so much ground her it's all becoming a bit of a blur!

Itsthevibe, I think you may be remembering a link to the gym instructor posted in one of GBC's blog ramblings. From memory the financial advisor's name and photo have never been posted here.

 

[Makara]

Mr Baden-Clay had also told police he and Mrs Baden-Clay had been attending counselling services over his infidelity, which had ceased

Besides that, I think he may have attended .1 of the counselling sessions...he didn't have time with all the other mistresses hanging off him plus he wasn't planning on staying with her anyway.

Yes, point taken.

I'm wondering if the financial adviser, being the handy little offsider, stayed at the house while the girls were asleep, GBC & NBC took off to Kholo/Anstead

IMO, I don't think GBC would have had any of his mistresses step foot in his own home. They were all dispensable in his mind and 'never the twain shall meet' between his fantasy life and his real existence. I don't think a mistress, however much she thinks she's in love or how evil we perceive her to be would sit with the children while her lover disposes of their mother's murdered body. However I do think that his female family members would rush to his side to assist him. MOO.

I think you could be right there. I think there are probably quite a few we do not know about yet. And by me saying was she being played.... I mean the whole kit and kaboodle..the I will be with you commitment, when in fact there was another he was really involved with in maybe a few things(like murder???? or the organization of it ot other shady business deals that is all a part of this while thing)..and he never had intention to be with TM? I may be getting carried away in my thoughts.. It does though raise a few questions..IMO

BBM:

Totally agree UT. IMO GBC had no intention of being there for the long haul with TM or honouring his so called commitment to her. He already had other foo foo's lined up in the wings to feed his fragile ego and his even more fragile bank balance.

MOO.

MOO:

 

[Onlyone]

Snap Onlyone.

Loved the emoticon! How do you do that?

👍

 

[Fuskier]

Who's to say the caller enquiring about the policies was actually Allison. ID required is usually only name, date of birth, address & policy number...

This is a valid point for QPolice to follow up.IMO.

 

[pulpfiction]

Back after a few busy days. You know it was either Kimster or Summer_Breeze who mentioned that this case reminded them a little of the Scott Peterson case in the US. He was convicted and condemned to death for the murder of his 8 months pregnant wife. The conviction was a double murder charge. 1st degree for Laci the wife and 2nd degree for Conner the baby. The bodies were found 4 months later, quite decomposed, washed up on the shore pretty much right where scott had gone fishing in his boat the day she disappeared.

Anyway, whilst he was/is a very sleazy serial philander, like GBC is, he also maintained his innocence. He just last week after 8 years filed his appeal. The reason being, it's automatic as he's on death row, but if you read the 470 pages (very interesting) its quite apparent that a fair trial was not possible given the media coverage, more than OJ Simpson & Charles Manson, an impartial jury was 96% impossible to find, and the case was, other than the fact that he was a serial philanderer, and the bodies washed up near where he said he went fishing, entirely circumstantial. Far less than what the QPS appear to have on GBC. In fact without the impartiality and questionable reliable circumstantial evidence (dog tracking scents that were definitely really unreliable yet allowed as admissible) I doubt if tried elsewhere he'd have been found guilty due to reasonable doubt. Quite astonishing really.

It appears he had motive, means, opportunity similar to GBC - insurance money (he never claimed or called though), he had the mistress, and apparently didn't want kids as they'd alter his lifestyle - yet his mistress had a 2yr old daughter living with her. Anyway, great read on the web and shows what trial by media, very little evidence, and the serial philanderer aspect can do in terms of being very compelling factors. GBC has many more issues to deal with than this guy, with blood, phone calls, caterpillar bites/scratches etc. I think he's lucky, if convicted, we do not have the death penalty.

 

[pulpfiction]

This is a valid point for QPolice to follow up.

Happens ALL the time although in some places you have to give a code word like with phone banking. However, it's frequently done in divorce proceedings when working out the asset pool - for superannuation division.

 

[DunnoZo]

New moon is best time to cut hair incidentally and NOT off topic ...

Now you're scaring me. I have a haircut appointment today.

Can anyone tell us what the creek's doing today? was it possible the surveyers were actually preparing for "dummies"?

 

[Fuskier]

I would not be surprised if there were NONE! He would not have wanted to pay the premiums for anyone else's potential benefit.

re the girls being home and Allison's comment at the hairdresser about "having the night off" I also think that the BC's were going to be looking after them for the night. Or at least Allison thought that was going to be the case. Or maybe she just meant that she was getting a night off from cooking? Either way, how the kids ended up being back home on a night where this was "perhaps" planned is a mystery to me.

I agree. There seems to be some mystery around whether or not the children had dinner at the BC seniors, or a home or elsewhere that night. Did Allison go to the BC Seniors after the hairdressers? Who else knew her movements that night? This is unknown to us. IMO the screams heard by Mr Truter off Rafting Ground Road were closer in vicinity to the B C Seniors house. Maybe QPolice have established Allison's movements after the hairdressers. My opinion only, not fact.

 

[ozazure]

I think it is highly likely that any other female could have rung and passed herself off as Allison. I started my mum's "mifi" the other day, my voice can be mistook for a child's on the phone, and when he asked if I was ringing for my grandmother I said "no, i'm 72" and he said "oh!" and kept on going!!! I got the giggles which was made worse every time he called me by my mum's name which was the start of every sentence! I don't think they particularly care especially when it is a call without financial ramifications. What are they going to do anyway, until video calls are standard that's where we are, they do their best to ID but it is easy to get around.

The Century 21 loan stuff is very very interesting. This is why I keep skimming thru the chitchat!!

 

[BreakingNews]

Just wanted to put these few posts together into one post...

#902 05-20-2012, 11:44 AM
Schmickthespy
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 126

Does anyone know know anything about other possible lovers of GBC?

Also... GBC financial advisor was interviewed for 4 hours the other day and also had her computer seized and a search warrant on her house. Does this mean the focus was indeed on finances????? Seems full on.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172680&page=37
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#11 05-21-2012, 06:45 AM
Sixsence
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 8

Have heard through a source sources that a person that GBC was having an affair with had a complete obsession with ABC and was even at the stalking phase.
Have also heard that this person and GBC are guilty of the murder and that the police are simply getting all of the evidence in order. If this sort of activity was going on it certainly explains why GBC would have had abrasions before the Thursday night, especially if ABC knew anything about the obsessive behaviour of one of his other partners.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7943377&highlight=allison+stalking#post7943377
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From Timeline Thread...

POLICE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST GERARD BADEN-CLAY MADE AT HIS BAIL APPLICATION

17th April – ABC had two life insurance policies, enquiries about the policy were made twice on or about 17th April. Once by ABC – she was aware of said policies. It is thought that they were struggling with the premiums and the call was made to roll them into one or to this effect: refer to Nads' Post 181 of Thread 26 in which Nads shares the information Mrs Muddles has reported from the bail hearing.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171094&page=3
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April 12, 2012

Police allege Mr Baden-Clay inquired about one of Mrs Baden-Clay's life insurance policies but was given no information as he was not a policy holder.

April 17, 2012

Police allege the Baden-Clay financial adviser made a "further query" on a life insurance policy held by Mrs Baden-Clay.

April 30, 2012

Mrs Baden-Clay's body was found by a canoeist at Kholo Creek.

Police allege Mr Baden-Clay contacted his financial advisor who made a "further query" with one of the life insurance providers.

May 1, 2012

One of the life insurers was advised "of a pending claim on that policy" by Mr Baden-Clay's financial advisor. Mrs Baden-Clay's body was yet to be formally identified.

Police allege Mr Baden Clay "urgently sought a death certificate for the deceased".

May 21, 2012

A death certificate for Mrs Baden-Clay was issued. Police allege Mr Baden-Clay lodged claims with each of Mrs Baden-Clay's policies and "further asked that these claims be expedited".

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz1yx6DAxTy

Marlywings, this is great. Might be helpful to post it here from time to time.

 

[whitechapel]

Now you're scaring me. I have a haircut appointment today.

Can anyone tell us what the creek's doing today? was it possible the surveyers were actually preparing for "dummies"?

BBM
Possibly, yes. Hopefully going to pick them up from the big house and skull manor.
MOO

 

[DrWatson]

Morning troops

While driving to work, I just had a thought, that may be worth considering:

We know that GBC's phone was taken off its charger at 8:30pm, right?

BUT where was the charger???

As far as I know, everyone has assumed that the charger was at their home, either a mains charger in the wall socket, or a USB lead into his computer.

But, as I looked at my iPhone on its charger in my car....!!!! I suddenly thought that the GBC iPhone charging could have been anywhere - including in his car!

I don't think that the iPhone info can differentiate WHERE the charger was - unless it did a sync with a computer at the same time, and the computer is a fixed computer like a desktop machine (as opposed to a laptop, which could also have been anywhere).

So - my thought is that the timing of the charging does NOT actually place GBC at home necessarily. And the same goes for when the phone was put back ON the charger, although that would be more likely to be at home if it were still there when the logs showed he took it off charge just before making all those phone calls and texts at 6:30 or whenever....

Just a thought....