Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #35

[marlywings]

Minni, I think I do understand what you are getting at here too.

Do you recall an informative post early on from Keyboredom, re debris etc in a raging of water, swirling around pylons etc? I can't recall the exact details but I wonder if this info may be of assistance (hope I make sense!).

That's one post I always remember...

05-12-2012, 06:36 PM #914
Keyboredom
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012

There's a lot of swirling backwash around bridge pylons under flood. I've found large animal carcasses in very similar situations (which again is an awful comparison) following heavy rain and flash flood? Dead bodies after a week or more are likely to be floating and at the mercy of the water flow.

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[marlywings]

The possibility of NBC having the beginnings of dementia is one I hadn't even thought of. It would certainly make him more easily manipulated.

Would someone with dementia be allowed to drive??

 

[Karo]

Would someone with dementia be allowed to drive??

Not if he was diagnosed by his doctor, they have to report it.

 

[DrWatson]

Would someone with dementia be allowed to drive??

Apart from the fact that there are many people with mild-moderate Alzheimers driving around blissfully unaware that they tend to cause accidents but rarely have one themselves, don't you think that some people may be making a big leap of conjecture about NBC having ANY degree of dementia?

I think that started as rumour/hearsay/supposition/hypothesis, most recently by the idea that he may have been at the wrong roundabout by mistake.

As far as I know, we have NO evidence that NBC has ANY degree of dementia at all - in fact I would be surprised if he did. Yes, I'm aware that Alzheimer's is what used to be called pre-senile, or early onset, dementia. But NBC really isn't THAT old, he looks and seems very fit and active from what I've seen of him, and I'm not aware of any reason to think that he has dementia in any form. It may have been a reasonable suggestion as to a POSSIBLE factor, but maybe it is starting to take on a life of its own and become more than that....

But the idea that he got the wrong roundabout as a rendezvous still makes sense as a possible scenario - it doesn't need dementia in the equation to make that mistake.

 

[Amee]

Have I missed something, where has it been reported NBC has dementia?

 

[Fly on the Wall]

As far as I know, we have NO evidence that NBC has ANY degree of dementia at all - in fact I would be surprised if he did. NBC really isn't THAT old, he looks and seems very fit and active from what I've seen of him, and I'm not aware of any reason to think that he has dementia in any form.

Totally agree with you Doc - From what I understand NBC is an intelligent switched on man. I have heard that EBC is quite fragile though.

 

[DrWatson]

Have I missed something, where has it been reported NBC has dementia?

Nope - haven't missed a thing. That was my point - it HASN'T been reported.

It has been suggested as a POSSIBLE factor on this forum a couple of times, but I was just pointing out that "possible" is quite different from "probable" and that the whole dementia thing may become a "pseudo-factoid" due to repetition.

If you see what I mean

But, as I also said, it doesn't need dementia to be a factor in order for somebody to get confused about WHICH roundabout was referred to in a call that may have woken him up from a deep sleep. Heaven knows, my lovely wife makes lots of typical girl-type arrangements with her sister and her mother, all of which seem hopelessly complicated to me, then can't figure out why I get confuzzled...! And as far as I know, I don't have any dementia - I hope.... :what:

 

[possumheart]

Nope - haven't missed a thing. That was my point - it HASN'T been reported.

It has been suggested as a POSSIBLE factor on this forum a couple of times, but I was just pointing out that "possible" is quite different from "probable" and that the whole dementia thing may become a "pseudo-factoid" due to repetition.

If you see what I mean

But, as I also said, it doesn't need dementia to be a factor in order for somebody to get confused about WHICH roundabout was referred to in a call that may have woken him up from a deep sleep. Heaven knows, my lovely wife makes lots of typical girl-type arrangements with her sister and her mother, all of which seem hopelessly complicated to me, then can't figure out why I get confuzzled...! And as far as I know, I don't have any dementia - I hope.... :what:

I have two friends who know each other and NBC and both agreed with each other that he is excitable and gets worked up when he is talking. They did indicate that they thought he may have some dementia as they have know him over a period of approximately 20 years and this was a more recent development.

That however is their opinion only. They see him about once a year.

 

[Thebuttlerdidntdoit]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8106069&highlight=Hearing+aid#post8106069

Hopefully this works. The above poster remarked on NBC's hearing aid.

 

[Thinking]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8106069&highlight=Hearing+aid#post8106069

Hopefully this works. The above poster remarked on NBC's hearing aid.

Thanks - I also commented on his hearing aid when I saw them out at the shops a while ago - definitely in one ear, couldn't say for sure about the other. I thought he looked in good shape.

 

[Cyansea]

Yes, I hadn't seen it before. For me, I have always believed she was left at the bridge, not further upstream. I know that the evidence we have points to further upstream, and I know that the majority believe she washed down and landed right under the bridge. Something I cant yet put my finger on stops me from believing it, even though everything points to Wirra Burra Road being the most logical and sensible place to go (at least in that very small area)
But I am going to keeping thinking it over, till something fits

Minni, I'm not from the area, but I just about feel like coming up there! This question has been whirling around in my mind (along with many other ones as per my posts) but with no answers. I will make a confession and say I go to sleep thinking about either Kholo Creek/Roundabout and whether she was dumped at the bridge or elsewhere. We know from that day that there was heavy rain, we can find from weather websites how much rain, what I want to know is at what speed was the water travelling i.e. cubic feet per second, i.e. flow rate? Maybe Queensland Water have the stats of that particular day? I'm still not sure either as many others wouldn't be. I just want to know where she was actually placed. I have a horrible feeling we aren't going to find out the answers to this, until much later on. Good to see we are inquisitive to a fault though! :maddening:

 

[alioop]

Alioop, does your Captiva have onboard GPS?

No Makara, I have had it since early 2007. From my internet research built in satellite navigation seems to have come in with the series 11 captiva from early 2011 and only in the LX ( luxury model). I don't know which model the BC's had but I will look at some photos and see if I can see a model number. In the 7 seaters ( which we know they had) there is a CX, SX and LX.

 

[linette]

Morning all,
Just trying to catch up on reading posts after a very busy 24hrs. Started here and wondered, what the heck have you guys been looking at of GBC??? LOL....:giggle:

:floorlaugh: I know, that sounded so funny... I was going to comment but i resisted the temptation... hee hee... but I'm so glad you didn't. lol First thing I thought of when 'floppy & soft' was written was... well, y'know what. :floorlaugh:

 

[Cyansea]

Like everyone here, the roundabout thing has been driving me crazy. Something/someone 'out of place' was seen there on the night Allison disappeared which is of interest to the case, the police told us. NBC was allegedly seen there sitting at the bus stop by more than one person, some posters here told us.

But why Kenmore roundabout, all the locals ask, when it's far from being the most direct route to Kholo Creek from GBC's house? Plus, it's also probably the busiest and most well-lit place for miles around at that time of night.

What if -

GBC rings NBC at 12.20 am using Facecall to ask him to quietly drive out so as not to wake everyone and meet him at the Brookfield roundabout, not Kenmore, and NBC gets it wrong.

NBC drives to the Kenmore roundabout and waits in the car for ages, and/or sits at the bus stop (how would he ever sit in such a public place unless he was unaware of what he was about to be asked to do?). GBC finally turns up (or maybe does not turn up at all?)

"What do you mean you were waiting for me for ages?" says NBC, "I was here the whole time! I was about to ring you even though you made me promise I wouldn't and Facecall would not work from here. The Brookfield roundabout?? Why would you want me to meet you at the Brookfield roundabout when your house is just there? The Brookfield roundabout is not on the way to anywhere and you said you needed me to drive with you to a certain place. Do you want me to follow you in my car [maybe driving OW's car]? Sure, just tell me what this is all about first. Is that Allison sleeping in the back seat? Not sleeping, what, is she sick? You're pointing the wrong way, then. The hospitals are that way. Son, what's going on? .... What?!"

Terrible image there, sorry. Became very real to me as I wrote it.

Haven't caught up with all the posts, still about 6 pages behind (I'm at work) but yes, this is also driving me crazy as well as everyone else. Why use the roundabout? The only simple answer would be because he can't go another way...so that begs the question why? Because he can't be seen anywhere else (i.e. Rafting Ground Road)...I think I'm very wrong but that's what I've come up with, something already has been hashed over....NBC dosen't live that far if he had to meet him on the corner of RGRoad, so why go to the damn Roundabout where they can be seen. Would there have been a back way to get to Kholo Creek without using RGRoad or using the Roundabout, there must be this would have already been looked at though. :maddening:
Hi everyone:seeya:

 

[Thebuttlerdidntdoit]

Haven't caught up with all the posts, still about 6 pages behind (I'm at work) but yes, this is also driving me crazy as well as everyone else. Why use the roundabout? The only simple answer would be because he can't go another way...so that begs the question why? Because he can't be seen anywhere else (i.e. Rafting Ground Road)...I think I'm very wrong but that's what I've come up with, something already has been hashed over....NBC dosen't live that far if he had to meet him on the corner of RGRoad, so why go to the damn Roundabout where they can be seen. Would there have been a back way to get to Kholo Creek without using RGRoad or using the Roundabout, there must be this would have already been looked at though. :maddening:
Hi everyone:seeya:

Remember there have been no reported sightings of GBC or his car/s at the Kenmore roundabout, just NBC. The police said something out of place in the vicinity of the Kenmore roundabout, didn't even mention cars, I think?

Rafting ground road doesn't have that many properties with frontage to the road. can't think why he'd be more unwilling to go through there than anywhere else.

I still think NBC might have got the wrong roundabout.

 

[Gemini Girl]

Off Topic

Max Sica has appealed his murder conviction

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...f-singh-siblings/story-e6freoof-1226436515915

JMO MOO

 

[alioop]

No I am not saying that. I said OW announced it on the 18th.

The baby's birth in Canada may have been the reason OW and maybe her family were in Brisbane but it has been bothering me about talk of an "announcement" by OW. Announce to who? Immediate family would already know as no doubt Adam called and told family when his baby was born.

If OW and family drove all the way from Townsville in the burgundy Honda then there must have been more than an announcement to make. Maybe there was a celebration or party. If so presumably all BC's including Allison would have been there. Maybe this happened on the Wednesday night the 18th April? I am just trying to find a reason why OW was around when Allison disappeared.

 

[alioop]

So the court date in September, is that where they decide if there is enough evidence to go trial?

The next set court date in September is just a mention. The judge will ascertain what stage the prosecution and defence are at, eg have the prosecution complied with the order to hand over all the paperwork they have and how is the forensic accounting going etc. It is a case management procedure to ensure that all parties are moving along with what has to be done. Committal won't be til next year I think.

 

[minni]

:floorlaugh: I know, that sounded so funny... I was going to comment but i resisted the temptation... hee hee... but I'm so glad you didn't. lol First thing I thought of when 'floppy & soft' was written was... well, y'know what. :floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh:haha Justamum and Linette...the FIRST thing I wanted to add to that post was "that's what she said"! (from Michael scott - The Office)
but I held back cos I'm trying to behave, and also because I was off to work so in a bit of a hurry

 

[Onlyone]

Just imagine how prolific we would all become if there was information "drip fed" to us on a weekly basis. Just one morsel..... We would be like a a Sandgate seagull on a chip! "please sir, can I have some more?" how do other forum topics keep their momentum?

When this was first reported my fatherinlaw told me that his offsider knew someone in the QPS and apparently they had got GBC to the stage where he was unbuttoning his shirt at the house about to 'fess up when his legal rep came sweeping in and told him to button up his shirt and say nothing. Have no link nor substantiated evidence so guess this is where I put MOO.

OT have bad toothache - any reccommendations for a dentist in Cairns?

I was also told by someone who has a family member close to the Investigation, that they were expecting him to plead guilty...
Just a question for those with legal knowledge - as a lawyer, if your client admits to you that they are guilty, can you plead anything else? :fence: