Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #38

[Liadan]

Still reading my book, TGY, but will let you know as soon as I come across anything.

Sure is quiet here. Where is everyone? Come back come back (echoes!)

 

[Liadan]

Please don't flame me I am not asking for details just the legal point of law. But would TM have to have submitted an Affidavit as well? And would that be because of her involvement with GBC or some other reason?

 

[linette]

Please don't flame me I am not asking for details just the legal point of law. But would TM have to have submitted an Affidavit as well? And would that be because of her involvement with GBC or some other reason?

I"m not sure from a legal point of view, but I would assume she would have had to have something to do with the Affidavit, wouldn't she?
Perhaps to do with the affair, and any financial dealings they may have had. Remember there's a lot of talk of his dodgy dealings, and she may well have been privvy to some inside knowledge of that.

 

[Liadan]

Yes thats why I was wondering if she would have been required to submit something. does she have to counter so to speak anything alleged against her at this point. But maybe she doesn't because she is not the one who is on trial. I am sure Alioops could clarify for us.

 

[linette]

Yes thats why I was wondering if she would have been required to submit something. does she have to counter so to speak anything alleged against her at this point. But maybe she doesn't because she is not the one who is on trial. I am sure Alioops could clarify for us.

Maybe if something GBC had told them about her wasn't true, she might like to set things straight. I think it would be more to do with telling what she knows that might be helpful as evidence. Interesting point you bring up.

 

[Liadan]

WhiteChapel - ATM GBC's affidavit is not freely available. It is available if you want to pay for the document for PRIVATE USE. WS TOS dictates we are NOT permitted to talk about it as it IS NOT IN MSM.

However my questions are not about the contents of the affidavits, as such, but simply a legal one -whether others would have had to put forward an affidavit to support themselves in light that GBC would be looking at getting support from every corner of the world and if this process for those involved in the debacle is a voluntary or mandatory procedure because if they were ever indicted these documents would be able to be recalled.

It seems we have many valued members who have been relegated to become inactive and on TO from mentioning the details so I would strongly advise that you don't go there and ask details!!! It makes WS such a lonely place when these valuable people are not there to critique and suggest alternatives to posted theories. No one likes the Mods ire.

WE ALL WANT JUSTICE for Allison and it is best served by being as vocal and passionate as we can be within this WS framework.

 

[they'll get you]

Please don't flame me I am not asking for details just the legal point of law. But would TM have to have submitted an Affidavit as well? And would that be because of her involvement with GBC or some other reason?

Regarding TM, the house plans in Allisons diary, did she sell her house and did she lend GBC the money on a short term basis? Was TM married & where was her husband? Did she put the pressure on to somehow get the money back NOW to her so she/they could re-buy. If & when was TM divorced? Was TM married and living with her husband. I just can't get my head around WHY a plan of her house was in Allisons diary. I bet my bottom dollar it wasn't for marriage guidance. Was GBC planning an accident in TM's house? That could've solved the problem of the 'verbal' loan. I think TM could be one of the luckiest people alive, maybe she knows she is too. It could have been a flip of the coin. God only knows.

 

[Radster]

September 3rd is the next court mention...some great info about it from member alioop a verified solicitor...

Very helpful! Thanks very much.

 

[they'll get you]

An after thought, was Allison killed at her house or somewhere else...like TM's house? Was the facetime call from their house or from somewhere else ?

 

[alioop]

Sorry, I have been busy with other pressing legal stuff today. Hopefully later tonight when my household is calmer, I will respond to the legal queries from today's posts and also re my promised info on provocation as a partial defence.

 

[KG1]

Please don't flame me I am not asking for details just the legal point of law. But would TM have to have submitted an Affidavit as well? And would that be because of her involvement with GBC or some other reason?

Affidavits from those who supported GBC in the bail application were submitted to the Supreme Court on 22/6/2012. Those affidavits would have been sworn documents and were submitted for the purpose of satisfying any court concerns in relation to the surety of money and the granting of bail. The prosecuting police submitted a large affidavit, setting out enough evidence to support the charges of murder and interfering with a corpse, in opposing bail for GCB.

In the matter of anyone else involved in the case, such as TM, who is a potential witness, a statement would be taken. This is usually sworn and signed by the person.

There is no real difference between a witness statement and an affidavit as the party signing either document and attesting to it can be cross examined on the contents and assertions.

 

[Tishy]

WhiteChapel - ATM GBC's affidavit is not freely available. It is available if you want to pay for the document for PRIVATE USE. WS TOS dictates we are NOT permitted to talk about it as it IS NOT IN MSM.

However my questions are not about the contents of the affidavits, as such, but simply a legal one -whether others would have had to put forward an affidavit to support themselves in light that GBC would be looking at getting support from every corner of the world and if this process for those involved in the debacle is a voluntary or mandatory procedure because if they were ever indicted these documents would be able to be recalled.

It seems we have many valued members who have been relegated to become inactive and on TO from mentioning the details so I would strongly advise that you don't go there and ask details!!! It makes WS such a lonely place when these valuable people are not there to critique and suggest alternatives to posted theories. No one likes the Mods ire.

WE ALL WANT JUSTICE for Allison and it is best served by being as vocal and passionate as we can be within this WS framework.

Thanks Liadan for shining your torch in the dark corners of my brain, I now understand the issue with document, much appreciated.

 

[BreakingNews]

Regarding TM, the house plans in Allisons diary, did she sell her house and did she lend GBC the money on a short term basis? Was TM married & where was her husband? Did she put the pressure on to somehow get the money back NOW to her so she/they could re-buy. If & when was TM divorced? Was TM married and living with her husband. I just can't get my head around WHY a plan of her house was in Allisons diary. I bet my bottom dollar it wasn't for marriage guidance. Was GBC planning an accident in TM's house? That could've solved the problem of the 'verbal' loan. I think TM could be one of the luckiest people alive, maybe she knows she is too. It could have been a flip of the coin. God only knows.

All good questions that I have been trying to get my head around also. Especially TM's house plans in Allison's diary. Just doesn't add up.

 

[linette]

Has it ever been mentioned WHO drew the house plan in Allison's diary... him or her?

If he did it, why did he have access to her journal, and did he do it to taunt her?

 

[marlywings]

Has it ever been mentioned WHO drew the house plan in Allison's diary... him or her?

If he did it, why did he have access to her journal, and did he do it to taunt her?

June 22, 2012

- Entries in Allison's journal on April 18 and 19 talked of the affair and a hand drawn map of Ms McHugh's home was allegedly done by Baden-Clay - proving, the crown alleged, that they had been speaking about his relationship with another woman.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...lay-bail-hearing/story-e6freon6-1226405120615

 

[alioop]

Affidavits from those who supported GBC in the bail application were submitted to the Supreme Court on 22/6/2012. Those affidavits would have been sworn documents and were submitted for the purpose of satisfying any court concerns in relation to the surety of money and the granting of bail. The prosecuting police submitted a large affidavit, setting out enough evidence to support the charges of murder and interfering with a corpse, in opposing bail for GCB.

In the matter of anyone else involved in the case, such as TM, who is a potential witness, a statement would be taken. This is usually sworn and signed by the person.

There is no real difference between a witness statement and an affidavit as the party signing either document and attesting to it can be cross examined on the contents and assertions.

Couldn't have said it better myself KG1.

 

[AAAA]

Yes thats why I was wondering if she would have been required to submit something. does she have to counter so to speak anything alleged against her at this point. But maybe she doesn't because she is not the one who is on trial. I am sure Alioops could clarify for us.

WhiteChapel - ATM GBC's affidavit is not freely available. It is available if you want to pay for the document for PRIVATE USE. WS TOS dictates we are NOT permitted to talk about it as it IS NOT IN MSM.

However my questions are not about the contents of the affidavits, as such, but simply a legal one -whether others would have had to put forward an affidavit to support themselves in light that GBC would be looking at getting support from every corner of the world and if this process for those involved in the debacle is a voluntary or mandatory procedure because if they were ever indicted these documents would be able to be recalled.

It seems we have many valued members who have been relegated to become inactive and on TO from mentioning the details so I would strongly advise that you don't go there and ask details!!! It makes WS such a lonely place when these valuable people are not there to critique and suggest alternatives to posted theories. No one likes the Mods ire.

WE ALL WANT JUSTICE for Allison and it is best served by being as vocal and passionate as we can be within this WS framework.

Laidan, I'd like to triple thanks that post!

 

[marlywings]

This is to ALL members. It really isn't that difficult to abide by WS rules. You have all been told about them time & time again yet some of you continue to blatantly ignore them then you wonder why your posts are removed & time-outs are issued.

Stay on topic....this thread is about Allison's case...not about you,avatars, other cases or whatever else!!

Do NOT discuss rumours.

Do not discuss any of the affidavit which hasn't been released in MSM

Do NOT discuss other members.

IF you have a problem with a post...use the alert button.

If any of you have trouble understanding any of the above please send either Summer or myself a pm.

 

[Liadan]

My thanks button has decided to go AWOL grrr!!! but thanks to everyone who has responded to my questions and posts - much appreciated.

Got no emoticons either so things are looking pretty grim!

 

[they'll get you]

June 22, 2012

- Entries in Allison's journal on April 18 and 19 talked of the affair and a hand drawn map of Ms McHugh's home was allegedly done by Baden-Clay - proving, the crown alleged, that they had been speaking about his relationship with another woman.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...lay-bail-hearing/story-e6freon6-1226405120615

Earlier, the court heard that Baden-Clay's mistress had insisted he warn his wife on the night of April 19 that both women would be at the same real estate conference the following day

Warning or threat against what? A confrontation? Maybe Allison should have been frightened? Sounds heavy & arrogant. Did TM feel she had the right to be there & not Allison?