Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #38

[Liadan]

Well Bell girl I think we have it on good authority (just don't ask me to find the link) that he was busy with two other mistresses when he was supposedly being monogamous with TM. Imagine TM's horror when QPS tell her that Brucey babe was hot on the heels of two other girls.

No wonder TM came to the table with QPS.

But from what you hear in the local community I think this was part and parcel of GBC's personality. He enjoyed the chase and was known as a bit of a ladies man about the burbs. (Local rumour and innuendo here but an omnipresenttheme nevertheless!)

 

[bearbear]

do you think the bwanas visit to townsville was so they could discuss alibis and things in private with ow, out of earshot from possible surveilance bugs? seems weird to visit when ow was to be visiting them here days later?

 

[Liadan]

jada from reading the early posts do you reckon that you could see the rumblings of more than a single affair?


Just quietly thinking that the media intrusion would be so larger than life for the elder BC's that they have run away to escape. Swapping stories to get them straight and solid- they probly to this on a daily basis without surveillance - QPS have been to visit OW so don't know how free of QPS moles it would have been to discuss stuff in Townsville.

 

[summer_breeze]

Well Bell girl I think we have it on good authority (just don't ask me to find the link) that he was busy with two other mistresses when he was supposedly being monogamous with TM. Imagine TM's horror when QPS tell her that Brucey babe was hot on the heels of two other girls.

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Here is a link!

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...d-in-court-claim/story-e6freoof-1226405967381

Kate Kyriacou, Jasmin Lill From: The Courier-Mail June 23, 2012 12:00AM

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What she did not know, until police told her, was that Baden-Clay was also allegedly having affairs with two other women, police have claimed in documents tendered in opposition to his bail application yesterday.

 

[bellgirl]

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Here is a link!

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...d-in-court-claim/story-e6freoof-1226405967381

Kate Kyriacou, Jasmin Lill From: The Courier-Mail June 23, 2012 12:00AM

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What she did not know, until police told her, was that Baden-Clay was also allegedly having affairs with two other women, police have claimed in documents tendered in opposition to his bail application yesterday.

According to those same court documents, Baden-Clay had severe financial problems and the string of mistresses.

Thanks for the link Summer! I thought that it had been reported that GBC had other mistresses. I wondered if they'd been named and shamed too - but I dont think so.

 

[Makara]

Prisoners cannot just fill out a form and hand it out at visits.

Prisoners cannot attend to internet banking on the internet.
There is NO access to the internet. (Imagine the drug trading if all this was possible).
ALL paperwork must be authorised. Prisoners complete the necessary forms to make these applications.

Refer Corrective Services Act 2006, ss. 20, 48, 311-316

The allowable balance for a prisoner's operating account is $1000.

To assist with maintaining the security and good order of the corrective services facility, the general manager of a corrective services facility must ensure that a prisoner is not permitted to have access to monies in excess of $1000

http://www.correctiveservices.qld.g...anagement/documents/ofmproprisontrust.shtml#1.

Thanks for this information KTN. I've been having a look on the ASIC site and found some interesting info on the different companies owned by the Baden-Clays. All I can say is that I feel very sorry for the forensic accountants who have to sort it all out.

I found the following relating to GBC's company, World Of Top Steps P/L. The second image gives the date and details of any new documents lodged in relation to this company. Have a look at the three dates on the left hand side from bottom to top.

21/6/2012 - Change of address and principal place of business.

21/8/2012 - (2 entries) Change of company details appointment or a cessation of a company office holder.

GBC was in jail from 13 June so I don't think there's any need to try and guess who would have lodged these documents. This company doesn't appear to be under the umbrella of Nigel Baden-Clay's trust companies and has a different ABN number, although IMO Nigelaine would be controlling it now and this is probably why there were two entries for 21 August. NBC and EBC were appointed as company office holders.

MOO.

http://www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbnHistory.aspx?abn=71096695546

 

[Keentoknow]

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Here is a link!

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...d-in-court-claim/story-e6freoof-1226405967381

Kate Kyriacou, Jasmin Lill From: The Courier-Mail June 23, 2012 12:00AM

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It seems that all Allison would have owned, was his washing.

"She was a devoted wife, supporting Gerard in their partnership of marriage and she did so until the day that she died," Mrs Fowler said

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...familys-vow-20120511-1ygrm.html#ixzz24Yci64S2

 

[Keentoknow]

Thanks for this information KTN. I've been having a look on the ASIC site and found some interesting info on the different companies owned by the Baden-Clays. All I can say is that I feel very sorry for the forensic accountants who have to sort it all out.

I found the following relating to GBC's company, World Of Top Steps P/L. The second image gives the date and details of any new documents lodged in relation to this company. Have a look at the three dates on the left hand side from bottom to top.

21/6/2012 - Change of address and principal place of business.

21/8/2012 - (2 entries) Change of company details appointment or a cessation of a company office holder.

GBC was in jail from 13 June so I don't think there's any need to try and guess who would have lodged these documents. This company doesn't appear to be under the umbrella of Nigel Baden-Clay's trust companies and has a different ABN number, although IMO Nigelaine would be controlling it now and this is probably why there were two entries for 21 August. NBC and EBC were appointed as company office holders.

MOO.

http://www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbnHistory.aspx?abn=71096695546

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Did you notice that WOTS was to expire 12 and 3 days after the date that he intended to be with TMH

 

[summer_breeze]

It seems that all Allison would have owned, was his washing.

"She was a devoted wife, supporting Gerard in their partnership of marriage and she did so until the day that she died," Mrs Fowler said

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...familys-vow-20120511-1ygrm.html#ixzz24Yci64S2

Thank you KeentoKnow!

From the above article, this little quote made me smile today.

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Mrs Fowler's eternal picture of her late sister would be of her lying on her bed with a diet book in one hand and a block of chocolate in the other.

 

[bellgirl]

Thank you KeentoKnow!

From the above article, this little quote made me smile today.

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OHHHHH! Very precious Summer! Allison was obviously so much like us all! Brissie has gone from Winter to Summer over night this week - so many winter kgs to shed!! But I'd love to stay in bed with a block of choc too!!

Sorry for any OTs!

 

[Makara]

More information from the ASIC website. All of this information is free to the public. If you want further details you are able to purchase the documents from the ASIC but I'm not going to waste my money. It is fascinating to see just how many companies NBC has set up, renamed, de-registered etc.

Name: NIGELAINE PTY LTD
ACN: 010 665 282
ABN: 61 010 665 282
Previous state number: 86B06381Y
Previous state of registration: Queensland
Registration date: 6/10/1986
Next review date: 6/10/2010
Former name(s): NIGEL BADEN-CLAY PTY. LTD., PUNDIRA PTY. LTD.

Status: Deregistered
Date deregistered: 18/02/2010
Company Type: Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Locality of registered office:
Regulator: Australian Securities & Investments Commission

Three more of NBC's companies at the first link below, two of which are still active. One of these companies is Oasis Finance that GBC professed to own. He would offer finance to potential clients who wanted to buy a property from him but perhaps weren't able to obtain finance elsewhere. Totally shonky IMO.
http://www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByName.aspx?SearchText=Baden+Clay

Another NBC company, now de-registered.

http://www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbn.aspx?SearchText=19262241039

Yet three more companies NBC was a joint venture partner in.



Settled Property Sales P/L. Trading as Century 21 Westside. This one is still active and I'm guessing that Nigelaine would be a shareholder.

http://www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbnHistory.aspx?abn=99144953382

OW also has a company listed on the ASIC site as an individual/sole trader. There are probably many more Baden-Clay companies listed under the guise of obscure names or other family members. I couldn't find anything for TM. Does anyone know is McHugh is her married name or maiden name. Is she actually Toni or Antoinette, Antonia etc.

 

[Makara]

Thank you KeentoKnow!

From the above article, this little quote made me smile today.

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Yep, I love that quote summer_breeze and according to her sister, Allison didn't like exercise.

 

[Makara]

I've been doing a bit more sleuthing and found the link below to Alcar Financial Services Pty. Ltd. & Nigel Baden-Clay Pty. Ltd. The trading name is Better Cash Flow And Asset Management Services. I found that Alcar and Better Cash Flow have the address of 41 Railway Terrace Milton Qld.

http://www.ozeyes.com/company19262241039/ALCAR FINANCIAL SERVICES PTY LTD & NIGEL BADEN-CLAY PTY LTD

Here's what I found at that address. This property was last sold in 2004, yet the ABN for the company mentioned above was not de-registered until 2009.



http://www.onthehouse.com.au/reports/property_profile/1341059/51_Railway_Terrace_MILTON_QLD_4064/

ALCAR FINANCIAL SERVICES PTY LTD & NIGEL BADEN-CLAY PTY LTD
http://www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbn.aspx?SearchText=19262241039

I also did a Google search for Nigelaine Pty. Ltd. and found it listed at 21 Campbell Terrace Wavell Heights Qld. What struck me was the colour of the house. IMO it's very similar to Allison's house at Brookfield. :what: I wonder if there was a paint sale somewhere in Brisbane? What I find laughable are the websites set up for the BC's companies. They are devoid of any information and are just a waste of space, a bit like the BC's themselves.

 

[summer_breeze]

Awesome job pulling up some of the financial trail Makara! Thank you.

 

[Curiousasacat]

Originally Posted by Makara View Post
Photos taken on 14 June 2012 of the backyard of the Brookfield home.

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http://multimedia.aapnewswire.com.au...rch=Baden-Clay



Wow, nice one Makara. I hadn't seen these either. I remember very early on someone saying that the lawn needed mowing,at the time I thought it was an unusual thing to say.
In pic 2 did anyone notice the silver tarp thing? Wonder if that is accounted for?
Looks like not a lot of time was spent at home or looking after it. MOO

 

[Mountain Misst]

I've been doing a bit more sleuthing and found the link below to Alcar Financial Services Pty. Ltd. & Nigel Baden-Clay Pty. Ltd. The trading name is Better Cash Flow And Asset Management Services. I found that Alcar and Better Cash Flow have the address of 41 Railway Terrace Milton Qld.

http://www.ozeyes.com/company19262241039/ALCAR FINANCIAL SERVICES PTY LTD & NIGEL BADEN-CLAY PTY LTD

Here's what I found at that address. This property was last sold in 2004, yet the ABN for the company mentioned above was not de-registered until 2009.

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http://www.onthehouse.com.au/reports/property_profile/1341059/51_Railway_Terrace_MILTON_QLD_4064/

ALCAR FINANCIAL SERVICES PTY LTD & NIGEL BADEN-CLAY PTY LTD
http://www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbn.aspx?SearchText=19262241039

I also did a Google search for Nigelaine Pty. Ltd. and found it listed at 21 Campbell Terrace Wavell Heights Qld. What struck me was the colour of the house. IMO it's very similar to Allison's house at Brookfield. :what: I wonder if there was a paint sale somewhere in Brisbane? What I find laughable are the websites set up for the BC's companies. They are devoid of any information and are just a waste of space, a bit like the BC's themselves.

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Yes I commented on the paint also Makara - reckon they bought it in bulk on the cheeep....

 

[jadalynpisces]

Bellgirl and Liadan, there is a lot of talk in the first threads about the mistresses and a lot of confusion about where they worked etc, but it looks like they all worked in real estate. Maybe he went for these women because he could cover up where he was most of the time to his wife. She would be unaware what was going on if he was meeting with other agents etc. What a sly and shallow man. and so selfish.
And from what I have been told, the real estate agents were all at Taringa and Toowong. How did all these silly woman fall for him?
they must have thought he had money, because even though people have said he could be charming, I have trouble believing it. That video of him with his sister is very offputting. Not just because he is lying but because he looks like he is trying to be charming and impress the lady reporter. But yuck! I dont think he looks very charming, just creepy

 

[jadalynpisces]

Jadal, please feel free to repost stuff. The early threads moved at lightning pace and now that the pace is much slower, we can take a fresh look at stuff that we may have not given enough attention to at the time, or in light of more information that we now have.

Thanks Alioop, I think I might because there is so much stuff that at the time was just talk and 'jungle drums' and rumour, which has all turned out to be a parrt of this sad story.

But the first couple of threads, people were getting quite upset and even nasty with each other. I suppose it was a bit more emotional for people in the beginning. I was so shocked when I read that she was missing, and so upset when I heard she had been found.
I have been jumping around the threads rather than going straight through each one. It is too much reading, but then I go back because I dont want to miss anything

 

[Mountain Misst]

do you think the bwanas visit to townsville was so they could discuss alibis and things in private with ow, out of earshot from possible surveilance bugs? seems weird to visit when ow was to be visiting them here days later?

Nigelaine were more likely having a nice holiday under a palm tree or two over on Magnetic Island before the money runs out. They had a holiday the weekend before the Allison's funeral too didn't they?

OW's trips down are no doubt billed against someone else's money too as they are 'related to POA'.

In the end, in their way of thinking, everyone else pays.

IMO

 

[jadalynpisces]

http://www.qt.com.au/story/2012/05/04/happy-and-successful-a-portrait-of-allison/

in this report, its say's that police now know Allison was murdered before she was left at Kholo Creek.
How can they know this? did she have something on her body that came from another location? something that might have been used to kill her previously? like rope or something, sheets? I cant understand what this means, how can they know this?
It also says dumped in a creek not left on the banks. So maybe that is evidence that she was not left at the bridge, but further upstream? Coolcat said they thought they could see in the footage that her hands were tied, too. With what? maybe something from her home, or from the parents home.
I also found a post from Keyboredom that said a forum member has told him that police contacted their partner because they had their number plate from driving through the roundabout. so if they could read that number plate, they would be able to read the number plates on all the cars. Maybe they took the plates off, or maybe they drove through there too, close together like being towed the same as the white and blue car story.

Another thing that I found interesting was that Allison stopped being a a property manager for one particular property days before she disappeared.