Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #39

[possumheart]

I have a friend whose property runs down to little ugly creek and stops at the car park (where the wire fence is) and they are certain she was dumped at the bottom of their property....which means she was washed just around the corner to underneath the bridge.

I have always thought she was placed but seems it was a bit of both

 

[marlywings]

Mr Davis tendered a report to the court on a sampling of wheel arches of the Holden Captiva and clothing of Baden-Clay, including a pair of shoes, which showed no matches with soil samples taken from Kholo Creek.

Justice Applegarth adjourned the court to 5.15pm to consider the application.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...re-supreme-court/story-e6freoof-1226536987434

 

[Makara]

I think he ain't going anywhere. Does Santa go to Arthur Gorrie. Maybe TM could slip into a cute santas helper suit and pay him a visit bahahahaha

I'm betting TM would feel like crawling under a rock right now. I wonder if she's reading the CM updates. Hope so!

 

[marlywings]

This is just a bail hearing...can't imagine how it's going to be at trial!!!!...geeeez!!!

 

[Crime and punishment]

Wow 114 viewing this - we are here for you Allison!

 

[enthralled]

Oh dear ten news just said that if he doesn't get bail poor Gerry won't be allowed visitors on Xmas day.
Bad luck !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[minusfour]

Thank you to all for all the updates and info. Much appreciated!

 

[AAAA]

Just saw on ten news his xmas dinner menu. Roast chicken, veges, ham and gravy! Could think of better things to waste my tax on.

 

[DrWatson]

Mr Davis tendered a report to the court on a sampling of wheel arches of the Holden Captiva and clothing of Baden-Clay, including a pair of shoes, which showed no matches with soil samples taken from Kholo Creek.

Justice Applegarth adjourned the court to 5.15pm to consider the application.

That would be VERY suggestive that somebody else may have been involved, rather than Allison getting to Kholo Ck under her own steam. And if it WAS the Captiva that was used, then instead of going into the little parking area, maybe he/they DID just stop on the bridge (which is bitumen, not soil) and dump her through or over....

Doesn't prove much really.

 

[Fuskier]

Revisiting the grounds for new Bail application:
Gold Coast-based lawyer, Darren Mahony, said there were two broad grounds for the new bail application:
i) that the brief of evidence does not substantiate or support all of the claims made by the prosecution during the (first) bail application;
ii) that evidence, not referred to on the initial bail application, exists inconsistent with the Crown case and/or relevant to the defense.
Prisoners denied bail in the Supreme Court have to show evidence of a change of circumstances in order to make a second bail application.
So what could constitute evidence of a change of circumstances?
IMHO posing a flight risk could now be more serious and the possibility of interfering with witnesses still exists as in the first Bail application.
So what constitutes a 'change of circumstances' to warrant and risk release of the accused on Bail? Their argument proposes that, based on the autopsy report, there is equal chance for suicide as murder. IMHO it still leans towards murder. There does not appear to be a significant change in circumstances. My opinion only.

 

[DrWatson]

Ruling is at 5:15pm - about 2 minutes away

 

[Makara]

Revisiting the grounds for new Bail application:
Gold Coast-based lawyer, Darren Mahony, said there were two broad grounds for the new bail application:
i) that the brief of evidence does not substantiate or support all of the claims made by the prosecution during the (first) bail application;
ii) that evidence, not referred to on the initial bail application, exists inconsistent with the Crown case and/or relevant to the defense.
Prisoners denied bail in the Supreme Court have to show evidence of a change of circumstances in order to make a second bail application.
So what could constitute evidence of a change of circumstances?
They may claim evidence which was inconsistent with the Crown case was excluded from the first Bail application. If it was established that evidence was inconsistent and excluded would that be enough to claim 'a change of circumstances'? They would need to demonstrate that it was inconsistent, and I imagine, that it was excluded, but that may not be enough as this application may fail on the basis on i) above. It seems the Defense and GBC have examined the 'brief of evidence' and now claim it does not substantiate 'all' claims by the Prosecution for opposing Bail in the first application. They would need to demonstrate that the 'brief of evidence' does not 'substantiate' all claims by the Prosecution. But what about most claims by the Prosecution? Would this constitute 'a change in circumstances'? IMHO posing a flight risk could now be more serious and the possibility of interfering with witnesses still exists as in the first Bail application. So what constitutes a 'change of circumstances' to warrant and risk release of the accused on Bail? I imagine that the Prosecution has much evidence beyond the brief given to the Defense

IMO Fuskier this whole bail hearing has been a total waste of time and someone's money. I don't believe there has been any change in circumstances since the last bail application. I think of the whole process as a type of choreographed dance where the legal eagles know the steps off by heart and around and round they go.

MOO.

 

[Cyansea]

4.16pm: Mr Boyle said there was a significant new piece of evidence, which strengthened the Crown's case, based on expert analysis by a botanist.

He said the botanist examined leaves and plant material found on the arms, around the head and body of Mrs Baden-Clay and only two species were native to the Kholo Creek bridge area.

He said all six species found on Mrs Baden-Clay's body where found in the garden on the family's home at 593 Brookfield Rd.

"In my submission that would fly in the face of a suicide theory," he said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...re-supreme-court/story-e6freoof-1226536987434

I wish I could have been there to see Mr. Boyle in action and watch the Defence Team squirm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...re-supreme-court/story-fnat79vb-1226536987434

Mr Doyle said Baden-Clay had a 'find my friends' application on his phone but at 6.41am on April 20 it was "likely it had never been used".

Justice Applegarth: "It would be a pretty stupid thing to say you had used that application when you hadn't."

 

[Curiousasacat]

Nervous anticipation.

Hope Ali's phone has not run out yet.

 

[Makara]

I love Danny Boyle. :blushing:

 

[Amee]

4.53pm: Mr Davis said it was possible Mrs Baden-Clay left the house to commit suicide because "there were children in the house". :furious:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...re-supreme-court/story-fnat79vb-1226536987434

 

[knowledgethirsty]

A woman probably would have thought of her children ! Unlike GBC who murdered their mother while they were in the house ! ****:furious:

 

[Tishy]

adjourned to Monday :/

 

[frustrated detective]

Just wondering if the medication Zoloft could be added to a drink (bedtime cup of tea perhaps) and not be detected by the person drinking it ... ?

 

[Curiousasacat]

adjourned to Monday :/

Joking!!!!????