Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #40

[Amee]

Id have found the delete button a lot sooner, lets say months ago. How strange her FB was so open.

 

[Makara]

Id have found the delete button a lot sooner, lets say months ago. How strange her FB was so open.

There was nothing on her FB to link her to GBC. After being interviewed she probably thought she would be able to just fly under the radar.

Any guesses on who #3 was?

 

[Makara]

Is it correct that OW had photos of GBC and TM on her FB? :twocents:
(haven't read all the old threads so not sure if discussed here prior)

Apparently so. Photos taken of them at skull manor cleaning up after the floods.

 

[Amee]

There was nothing on her FB to link her to GBC. After being interviewed she probably thought she would be able to just fly under the radar.

Any guesses on who #3 was?

Yes you are right I guess nothing linking her to him there.
MH? :moo:

 

[llyrisk]

I just don't get it. We're the girls home all night that night? If so, how could he have taken the risk of attacking her, having her fight back, then disposing of the body while the girls were asleep. Surely there was a good chance that at least one would wake up hearing noises? Unless they were drugged? He said in his text they were not up ot just up? Wasn't there talk earlier that they had spent the night at the older BCs and OW just brought them back in the morning?
Also, what gives with that crazy story he supposedly told them about Mummy falling down a hole?
At the time the police had people out searching all mine holes etc in the area, and were expressing hope they would find her alive. Did he dump the not dead body for a while before transporting it to the creek.
The eldest girl is about 11. Surely the police have questioned her? All the facts about who was where and when that night are so conflicting!

 

[Aberline_1979]

MSM report that GBC queried Mr. Bruce Flegg about cameras at the roundabout. IMO red flag! "Where there is smoke, there is fire". Something significant happened at that roundabout and the Police were on to it IMO.

Old "news" now, but the gossip that I'd heard from a (reliable) Chapel Hill work colleague is that NBC was spotted sitting at the bus stop alongside the roundabout at about 10PM on Thursday 19th by a couple who were friends of the family. When they pulled over to ask him why he was there by himself so late at night he apparently acted in a very strange manner, given the fact that they knew each other by name. My guess is he gave them the cold shoulder. That would certainly count as suspicious if a member of a friend's family who I knew did the same to me.

Why would he be there? Possibly to act as a "lookout" while GBC cleans up a few things at the home?

Whatever the case, it seems that NBC was/became involved by midnight...what with that 83 second facetime call GBC put through to him. You can say a LOT to one another in the space of 83 seconds.

 

[Humdinger]

Ms McHugh said in "a lot of ways Gerard did defend Allison", who he said had severe bouts of depression, but also did not express admiration or a depth of feeling towards his wife. He also raised fears his wife would take her life if he left her.

"Gerard told me that he did not love Allison and they had not slept together for many years. Gerard told me that he slept most nights on the couch in the living room," Ms McHugh told police.
BBM and from http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ndooroopilly-gym/story-e6freoof-1226537628016 this report

Any guy looking for an excuse as to why he hasn't yet left his wife would pull the line that he was concerned that she might self harm. If he truly believed it then he would have said it earlier and not waited till the 2nd bail hearing because he now feels a little desperate...

Also TM claims that he told her that HE sleeps on the couch most nights, but in MSM reports from the last couple of days (I'll have to find a link) he told police that Allison normally slept on the couch!

That weak excuse for a man just can't open his mouth without a lie coming out!

How are you feeling now Olivia?? I'm sure that you or your little note taking friends are reading this forum...

Regardless of his guilt or innocence, one thing he has proven throughout all this is that he's not a man, he's a lieing, cheating, pathetic creature

 

[Mountain Misst]

Linkedin site now deleted.

I snaffled them both in time... bet others did as well. we're learning.......:banane58:

 

[alioop]

I just don't get it. We're the girls home all night that night? If so, how could he have taken the risk of attacking her, having her fight back, then disposing of the body while the girls were asleep. Surely there was a good chance that at least one would wake up hearing noises? Unless they were drugged? He said in his text they were not up ot just up? Wasn't there talk earlier that they had spent the night at the older BCs and OW just brought them back in the morning?
Also, what gives with that crazy story he supposedly told them about Mummy falling down a hole?
At the time the police had people out searching all mine holes etc in the area, and were expressing hope they would find her alive. Did he dump the not dead body for a while before transporting it to the creek.
The eldest girl is about 11. Surely the police have questioned her? All the facts about who was where and when that night are so conflicting!

All really good questions. I believe the girls were home all night. We don't know if they heard or saw anything. It is possible they were all good sleepers and didn't wake until morning. I hope so for their little sakes. It must have been very confusing for them waking to mummy gone and other BC's in the house then police arriving as they are being taken to school. We now know they were taken to school by OW as seen by the police. That was too early for school to start so I think they would have gone to before school care. Maybe this was planned anyway as Allison had an early start that morning so she had them booked in. It may have been a casual booking or permanent one.

 

[Strangeworld]

If Alison's phone was intentionally discarded by someone involved in her death (which now seems likely), I had the following thoughts:

-the person may have been smart enough to realise that most things, even if deleted, from a mobile phone can be retrieved
-maybe Alison had something on that phone, that possibly even triggered an argument, fight, etc that night. I'm thinking maybe she recorded him talking, took a photo/video of the way he was treating her, etc.
-even though phone calls, texts, etc can be traced through the phone providers, images, recordings and the like are only stored on the phone, and unless texted or emailed to another person, they would only be accessible if the phone was accessible.

Another thought I had, which I think might have been mentioned already, is that someone else wanted to help GBC have an alibi away from Alison's phone that morning. It could have been cordinated so that GBC used his phone and someone purposefully drove and used her phone over near the FTP tower. Personally, I still don't think the 2 phones been used within minutes of each other proves much, as anyone could be using the phones, and also could suggest an accomplice.

But nothing seems to be very logical in the events around that night/morning.

 

[Makara]

Yes you are right I guess nothing linking her to him there.
MH? :moo:

I agree. Can't see her on FB anymore although she may have changed her profile pic.

 

[Makara]

I snaffled them both in time... bet others did as well. we're learning.......:banane58:

Screencaps are a wonderful thing. :wink:

 

[Thinking]

If she did ask him if he did it, it would be in her statements now but we haven't been told all of what was in those statements.

Yes that's what I meant Ali - bring on the committal and trial

 

[Thinking]

All really good questions. I believe the girls were home all night. We don't know if they heard or saw anything. It is possible they were all good sleepers and didn't wake until morning. I hope so for their little sakes. It must have been very confusing for them waking to mummy gone and other BC's in the house then police arriving as they are being taken to school. We now know they were taken to school by OW as seen by the police. That was too early for school to start so I think they would have gone to before school care. Maybe this was planned anyway as Allison had an early start that morning so she had them booked in. It may have been a casual booking or permanent one.

I know we have discussed this before, but to me it is SO strange that everyone seemed to mobilise so quickly that morning. For example, if I didn't arrive home from my morning walk and my husband was getting worried, he would just call in late to work (if he was attending a conference as gbc may have been too, then even less reason to worry about him being late), drop the kids himself or keep them home, drive around repeatedly while trying to phone (not text!) and probably by mid-late morning may call my family or his as he would be getting concerned, then after that a bit later in the day would possibly call the police if getting very concerned by then. From memory this is about the timeframe it took for Jill Meaghers husband to call the police, which makes more sense to me.

Why have his family descend at or around 6 and call the police at 7:15am - this is not what one would normally do if the situation was innocent IMO.

 

[Makara]

I've just taken and attached a screen capture of one of Allison's diary entries titled Gratitude List. I can't quite make out the date but it looks to be 16/4/2012. This gratitude list that Allison penned IMO flies in the face of Defence lawyer Mr. Davis' claim that Allison's diary entries were very much indicative that she was suicidal.

I in no way agree with Allison's diary entries being plastered across MSM but I'm more than happy for this one to be seen. It made me smile.

Transcript:
My Gratitude List. 16/4/2012(?)

Today I am grateful for

The loving look I just received from my husband.

The fact I could afford to have my hair done & buy a new top today.

The school I am sitting outside where my girls attend.

For the relationship we have with the teachers & principal.

That we live in such a wonderful Suburb - close to some wonderful after school activities.

For Paula Barratt & the wonderful programme she has written that has helped my family.

Being associated with Pathways at this stage of its growth.

My wonderful parents & their boundless and unconditional love.

My education at IGG & all the friends I made.

RYBG(?) & the places it took me.

Gratitude List.


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national...en-clay-crossed-paths-with-husband-s-mistress

 

[Humdinger]

I know we have discussed this before, but to me it is SO strange that everyone seemed to mobilise so quickly that morning. For example, if I didn't arrive home from my morning walk and my husband was getting worried, he would just call in late to work (if he was attending a conference as gbc may have been too, then even less reason to worry about him being late), drop the kids himself or keep them home, drive around repeatedly while trying to phone (not text!) and probably by mid-late morning may call my family or his as he would be getting concerned, then after that a bit later in the day would possibly call the police if getting very concerned by then. From memory this is about the timeframe it took for Jill Meaghers husband to call the police, which makes more sense to me.

Why have his family descend at or around 6 and call the police at 7:15am - this is not what one would normally do if the situation was innocent IMO.

Good post Thinking!

I know we've discussed this before and I'm not so good at finding things... But we discussed about something that happened that made them HAVE to call the police - I can't remember what was decided about what possibly happened though...

Anyone good with searches, or can anyone remember what I'm refering to?

 

[alioop]

I know we have discussed this before, but to me it is SO strange that everyone seemed to mobilise so quickly that morning. For example, if I didn't arrive home from my morning walk and my husband was getting worried, he would just call in late to work (if he was attending a conference as gbc may have been too, then even less reason to worry about him being late), drop the kids himself or keep them home, drive around repeatedly while trying to phone (not text!) and probably by mid-late morning may call my family or his as he would be getting concerned, then after that a bit later in the day would possibly call the police if getting very concerned by then. From memory this is about the timeframe it took for Jill Meaghers husband to call the police, which makes more sense to me.

Why have his family descend at or around 6 and call the police at 7:15am - this is not what one would normally do if the situation was innocent IMO.

Absolutely, Thinking, you have hit the nail on the head and great comparison to Tom Meagher's timeline, an innocent husband whose wife was missing. I am sure one of the suspicions of the police was the early nature of the missing report. That, then his strange behaviour and scratches rang the alarm bells.

 

[MichaelSmith]

I don't have time to catch up on the thread but I just read the Courier Mail and saw the articles.

The sister said he told the girls "mummy had gone for a walk and probably fell down a hole and would not be back"

My goodness :banghead:

 

[Maigret]

Good post Thinking!

I know we've discussed this before and I'm not so good at finding things... But we discussed about something that happened that made them HAVE to call the police - I can't remember what was decided about what possibly happened though...

Anyone good with searches, or can anyone remember what I'm refering to?

I think that someone thought that a school mum may have popped in - maybe Allison had arranged a reliable person (as opposed to unreliable Gerry) to take the girls early and drop them at school at the proper time - my friends and I used to do this rather than use expensive before and after school care especially for one offs - she probably hadn't told GBC as he probably didn't have much to do with the day to day worries

 

[Humdinger]

I don't have time to catch up on the thread but I just read the Courier Mail and saw the articles.

The sister said he told the girls "mummy had gone for a walk and probably fell down a hole and would not be back"

My goodness :banghead:

Exactly, it's just too bizzare for words really...

If I were out for a walk and my kids asked Where I was, my hubby might jokingly say something silly to them like we heard growing up - 'she went mad and the policeman shot her' and the kids would know that's it's just silly and laugh.

BUT for that to be said (which by the way I do NOT find silly or funny) is just plain weird (unless that's the joke in their house??) especially given that police were there and so were the other BC's. Those girls had to know something was off and that comment was just wrong

And for OW to repeat it to police??? I wonder if she said it was a joke or if she was serious?? This part totally baffles me also!!