Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #41

[Fuskier]

ok, thats interesting thankyou. i only got the wirraburra rd connection from reading some past posts where somebody thought thats where the dog was.
im not from the area so its quite confusing. sounds like lots of dogs in the area were barking uncharacteristcly! if only sasha could tell us what happened!

Hypothetically, it's possible Allison's killer(s) thought that she was 'dead' when they placed her under the bridge area. She may have been unconscious and dying. It's possible the German Shepard somehow picked up on this. IMO those who aimed to kill her would not care if she was unconscious, dying or dead. It suited their purpose to leave her there.

 

[Couldbe]

Hypothetically, it's possible Allison's killer(s) thought that she was 'dead' when they placed her under the bridge area. She may have been unconscious and dying. It's possible the German Shepard somehow picked up on this. IMO those who aimed to kill her would not care if she was unconscious, dying or dead. It suited their purpose to leave her there.

Hi Fuskier ..... as well as the murder charge, there is also the other charge against GBC of "with improperly interfering with her body at Kholo Creek" (Link: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...charged-with-wifes-murder-20120613-20atq.html).
then the following extract ..."The charge for interfering with a corpse is registered at Kholo Creek in the suburb of Mount Crosby, also "at or about the 19th of April 2012" (Link:http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...his-wife-allison/story-e6frg6nf-1226395232344)

I think there is a difference between 'body' and 'corpse' (maybe they are meant to be the same, and could be just attributed to interpretation in reporting).
Your theory would support the comment "This is 14km away from his house, where, if he did kill Mrs Baden-Clay at the house and move her, it would have been within a very short period of time that she ended up in that particular position under the bridge." (Link:http://www.news.com.au/national/law...re-supreme-court/story-fndo4ckr-1226536987434)

 

[bearbear]

maybe allison put her comfy "exercise" clothes on after getting home, had some wine to de-stress about the conference, then when the girls were in bed the fighting started, she was chased outside onto the grass and sensing he meant business, jumped into her car and drove off upset, maybe tipsy, he followed and when they stopped he got in her car,they argued violently again, her screams magnified by the stillness, maybe her phone was flung into the bushes, he punched her hard causing a chipped tooth and blood splatter, so he thought he would finish her off and attempted to strangle her or suffocate her (plastic bag?) thinking she was finally dead, he pushed her over the bridge into the muddy darkness, if she landed face down she would have suffocated or drowned in the mud. he then had to get the two cars back so needed help from papa?
there was obviously something the police found which indicated murder and they just needed to take body samples and could release allison early.
would throwing a body off a bridge be classified as"interferring with a corpse/body"?
remember there were reports of two vehicles seen parked close together at the bridge that night, one white and the other blue, which someone on here said could have been silver and looked dark in the night, one had its headlights on.

 

[they'll get you]

DOGS
Did Allison, G & the girls own a dog, if not maybe Scraps played with the girls and would say hello at the fence. GBC sounds like he wasn't around on a regular basis and Scraps hated him and realised Allison was being hurt.
DOGS
Could Allison been moaning and set off the howling? Dogs howl with another mornful sound.

I'm sure our wonderful Police have a timeline on these happenings.

GREAT SLEUTHING GUYS

 

[they'll get you]

Bear Bear I think the German Shepherd Sasha was at Anstead on properties nearby where Allison's body was dumped.
Wirriburra road is near the roundabout close to boscombe rd and Brookfield rd.

Oh God hopefull Allison was not still alive and moaning under the bridge or got there trying to escape and later died:maddening:.

 

[marlywings]

Oh God hopefull Allison was not still alive and moaning under the bridge or got there trying to escape and later died:maddening:.

BBM

June 15, 2012

Court documents reveal police are alleging he killed his wife at their Brisbane home in the affluent western suburb of Brookfield, "at or around" April 19.

He is also charged with one count of interfering with her corpse at Kholo Creek in Mount Crosby, about 20km southwest of the city, also at or around April 19.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...clay-faces-court/story-e6frg6nf-1226396031700

 

[DrWatson]

Bear Bear I think the German Shepherd Sasha was at Anstead on properties nearby where Allison's body was dumped.
Wirriburra road is near the roundabout close to boscombe rd and Brookfield rd.

Just to clarify this - Wirrabara Rd is at Anstead and runs up to Little Ugly Creek. At one time, many thought that Allison had been dumped in LUC at the crossing with Wirrabara Rd

I'm not aware of any road with a similar name in Brookfield - perhaps there may be some confusion with Winrock St, which runs off the roundabout on Rafting Ground Rd near Will Truter's house (the man who heard the screams)?

And the only roundabout near Brookfield Rd and Boscombe Rd is the main roundabout in the middle of Brookfield where Brookfield Rd meets Gold Creek Rd.

I'm only a stone's throw from there...

 

[Groundedgirl]

YES YES....totally agree......was planned and stuffed up by the fool....but I believe his father was completely in it.

Tend to agree about the father and believe if gbc goes down then NBC will be charged by police. I've seen other cases where police go with one family member first to test the evidence, then proceed when successful.

 

[GEANIE]

Tend to agree about the father and believe if gbc goes down then NBC will be charged by police. I've seen other cases where police go with one family member first to test the evidence, then proceed when successful.

Had a dream 2 nights ago that I was talking to EBC and she said they were just waiting to be arrested along with half the family.......:what::what::jail:

 

[LadyBird1]

thankyou Ladybird...thats so interesting xx

It is my humble opinion that the Shepherd dog was singing Allison's spirit away.
Meaning, her body/mortal coil was already deceased, and the shepherd was singing the soul/spirit on to its next destination.
PS I would like to be "sung away" too. That is a not unique notion. Though I am a Queenslander born and bred, the notion strangely feels right to me. The being sung away bit I mean, not being murdered.

 

[Maigret]

Had a dream 2 nights ago that I was talking to EBC and she said they were just waiting to be arrested along with half the family.......:what::what::jail:

Wouldn't that be an amazing thing

 

[Liadan]

Just to clarify this - Wirrabara Rd is at Anstead and runs up to Little Ugly Creek. At one time, many thought that Allison had been dumped in LUC at the crossing with Wirrabara Rd

I'm not aware of any road with a similar name in Brookfield - perhaps there may be some confusion with Winrock St, which runs off the roundabout on Rafting Ground Rd near Will Truter's house (the man who heard the screams)?

And the only roundabout near Brookfield Rd and Boscombe Rd is the main roundabout in the middle of Brookfield where Brookfield Rd meets Gold Creek Rd.

I'm only a stone's throw from there...

Sorry everyone! You are totally correct DW - got my "double u's" roads mixed up. Note to self: never comment on roads again - I think I tried commenting once before with a route and it was cactus info too. Thanks for the clarification really appreciated!

 

[Fuskier]

Just to clarify this

<respectfully snipped>

... perhaps there may be some confusion with Winrock St, which runs off the roundabout on Rafting Ground Rd near Will Truter's house (the man who heard the screams)? ...

Thanks for the clarification DrWatson. Interesting location in the scheme of things IMO.

 

[DrWatson]

Sorry everyone! You are totally correct DW - got my "double u's" roads mixed up. Note to self: never comment on roads again - I think I tried commenting once before with a route and it was cactus info too. Thanks for the clarification really appreciated!

You're very welcome, Liadan. No intention of "having a go" at you or anyone - purely trying to clear any confusion. As it turns out, from the evidence presented by the prosecution at the second bail hearing, it would now appear that Wirrabara Rd wasn't used anyway - they suggested that the body was dropped/placed/rolled/ or whatever into the final resting position very soon after death. In other words, it didn't wash down there from further up the creek.

Which does raise the question as to exactly WHERE the German shepherd was, that howled, and why.... Where was it in relation to the Kholo bridge?

 

[bearbear]

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/04/24/1226336/985777-baden-clay.jpg
lovely photo of scraps

 

[bearbear]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/two-routes-from-home-to-bridge/story-fn6ck45n-1226343112919
this sort of gives an indication of the closeness of sashas (brian mason) property to where allison was found

Only a handful of people live close to the site where the body was found.

Characterised by thick scrub - which was yesterday lush and green after days of rain - the area is secluded and quiet, bar the cars that use Mt Crosby Rd.

One couple said they - like most people in the area - had been following the saga "very closely".

"Your heart just sinks into your belly," she said. "You watch these things on TV."

Throughout the day yesterday, cars were being turned away at the road block at Mt Crosby Rd.

Most seemed confused, with some appearing shocked when told why the area had been closed off.

Resident Brian Mason said there had been only a "few spots of rain" between the Thursday Mrs Baden-Clay went missing and last Saturday.

Then the creek filled.

"Anzac Day was a bit cold and miserable, but there wasn't much rain," he said.

Last Saturday, however, his rain gauge recorded 100mm, with a close friend recording 110mm in Mt Crosby.

"That would have been enough to get the rivers going," he said. "And they were going."

 

[Fuskier]

Which does raise the question as to exactly WHERE the German shepherd was, that howled, and why.... Where was it in relation to the Kholo bridge?

Posted by Bearbear:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/t...-1226343112919
Sasha howled inexplicably that night.
Only a handful of people live close to the site where the body was found. Brian Mason is identified as a local resident.
This gives an indication of the closeness of Sasha's owner, Brian Mason's property to where Allison was found.

 

[alioop]

You sure are on the right track Thinking. All I heard at the second bail hearing was just about the wheel arches of the captiva, no other parts of the car and nothing about GBCS clothes or shoes etc.

Sorry to quote myself but I just went back to my original notes I took in the courtroom and I did write down shoes. So to clarify, my notes say that Danny Boyle said "on the captiva wheel arches and on GBC's shoes there was no plant material that was found at Kholo Creek"

 

[alioop]

Such a shame that Scraps and Sasha can't be subpoenaed to give evidence at the committal.
But their owners can be.

 

[alioop]

I just went back to the June bail hearing results, and the news article had an image of the blue luminol stain with the following written underneath.


Allison's blood in Baden-Clay's car

Police documents submitted to the Supreme court allegedly show Allison Baden-Clay's blood in her husband Gerard's car, and that he claimed scratches on his armpit, chest and neck were self-inflicted.


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz2JGIXvCaN



Alioop, is this wording typical?? what does allegedly show really mean??? I thought they were saying back then that it was proven to be Allisons, but now when I look carefully at the wording, it seems maybe not??

Are they saying, the test appears to point that way but is not yet conclusive, or are they saying that it may or may not be Allisons, ie. it cant be ruled out that it is not Allisons?

Obsessor, good point and I agree the wording is confusing to us. I think it just means that the blood test results are treated like any other piece of evidence so they use the word "allegedly" as it is still up to a jury to ultimately decide if they accept that test result as proof it is Allison's blood beyond a reasonable doubt.

My belief is that the forensic tests do conclude it is Allison's blood. It is up to a jury to accept or reject this depending if the defence challenge the forensic test results. Usually a sample of the blood would be retained for the defence to test if they wish to. We don't know if they have done this or not.