Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #41

[marlywings]

A little off topic. For anyone interested...absolutely fascinating discussion this morning on ABC radio Conversations with Richard Fidler when he spoke to Dr Paul Bennett a forensic podiatrist about the work he does with Qld Police.

Thursday 31 January 2013

Podiatry is the medical science of the bones, muscle and skin of the foot.

Paul Bennett is sometimes called on by police to help solve crime. He can provide vital evidence by applying his medical expertise and extraordinary talent for pattern recognition to footprints left at crime-scenes.

Paul is a senior lecturer at the Quensland University of Technology's School of Clinical Sciences.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/sites/conversations/?&date=(none)

 

[Indromum]

A friend who lives on Wirrabara told me months ago 'Brian Mason lives on the other side of Mt Crosby Road'. I didn't ask which St.
He used to be a real estate salesman in the area and well known to a lot of the locals. He is not listed in the white pages as I checked when his name first appeared in the CM.

 

[bearbear]

A friend who lives on Wirrabara told me months ago 'Brian Mason lives on the other side of Mt Crosby Road'. I didn't ask which St.
He used to be a real estate salesman in the area and well known to a lot of the locals. He is not listed in the white pages as I checked when his name first appeared in the CM.

i think he is still an estate agent, when you google "brian mason anstead" his name comes up on the lj hooker kenmore website, and he has current properties listed. i was trying to find his street but didnt want to stalk him, im pretty sure he lives very near where allison was found, with only a handful of other properties.

 

[Thinking]

Sorry to quote myself but I just went back to my original notes I took in the courtroom and I did write down shoes. So to clarify, my notes say that Danny Boyle said "on the captiva wheel arches and on GBC's shoes there was no plant material that was found at Kholo Creek"

Thanks alioop. I wonder why he would only mention the wheel arches and not the actual wheels, tyres, underneath the car etc? Or did he?

 

[AAAA]

i think he is still an estate agent, when you google "brian mason anstead" his name comes up on the lj hooker kenmore website, and he has current properties listed. i was trying to find his street but didnt want to stalk him, im pretty sure he lives very near where allison was found, with only a handful of other properties.

His name also comes up under Urban 8 realty. I think I remember seeing a listings wanted sign for Urban8 realty on Brookfield Rd, on the way to GBC'S house. It was someone who works there's house, on the left hand side. Might be his? Not 100% sure about the Urban 8. Doctor Watson, maybe you could be kind enough to have a Look on your way home one night? If so it might help pinpoint a proximity. Could be wrong though. IMO.

 

[Obsessor]

Obsessor, good point and I agree the wording is confusing to us. I think it just means that the blood test results are treated like any other piece of evidence so they use the word "allegedly" as it is still up to a jury to ultimately decide if they accept that test result as proof it is Allison's blood beyond a reasonable doubt.

My belief is that the forensic tests do conclude it is Allison's blood. It is up to a jury to accept or reject this depending if the defence challenge the forensic test results. Usually a sample of the blood would be retained for the defence to test if they wish to. We don't know if they have done this or not.

WOW!!!! in capitals, cos I am shocked!!!

Firstly, thankyou so much for helping clarify Alioop. Your contibutions are gold!!!

Secondly, I am so shocked ( maybe naively so) that a jury can challenge a specialised tests results. I would have thought that would be considered FACT. I obviously have a lot to learn!!!!

I do know that in hospitals when they take a compulsory blood sample for alcohol readings after motor vehicle accidents, they give a further specimen to the patient in case they want to have it independently tested, in case they challenge the results, but I truly didn't think that would be the case from an autopsy.
I am also shocked that a jury might EVER question the results of an autopsy.
Just for starters, they more than likely have no medical background, so on what grounds would they even think to do this??? I cant imagine....

As they say, you live and learn, and I again thank you for all that you contibute to help others understand these processes that are unfamiliar.

 

[alioop]

Obsessor, just to clarify, it won't be the jury challenging any forensic results. A challenge would only come from the defence, but the jury, with likely instructions from the judge will have to consider this challenge. It would be very difficult to try to convince a jury that forensics were flawed.

It is not something I am worried about in this case.

 

[marlywings]

The accused in Jill Meagher case appeared in court again today...report is in the following thread for those who may not have seen it. Alioop I notice there's a question or two by another member, if or whenever you get a chance you may like to reply to them please??

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188458&page=12

 

[alioop]

Thanks alioop. I wonder why he would only mention the wheel arches and not the actual wheels, tyres, underneath the car etc? Or did he?

I only wrote down wheel arches but I presume that they didn't find any plant material from Kholo anywhere on the car. I have mentioned before that I wonder if they found any plant material at all from anywhere on the captiva.

 

[Obsessor]

Tend to agree about the father and believe if gbc goes down then NBC will be charged by police. I've seen other cases where police go with one family member first to test the evidence, then proceed when successful.

Groundedgirl, are you able to give any more info on any of these cases? Do you work in a law enforcement field? (you dont have to answer that if you dont want to)
I'm just interested as a few little things that have been going through my mind recently have been making me nervous about the outcome of this case.

To be honest, this is the first case that has ever caught my attention, and I'd really love to be directed to any others where the perp went down and then his/her accessories followed?

Hope this question is not too off-topic.
Thanks

 

[kiwijayne]

Just to clarify this - Wirrabara Rd is at Anstead and runs up to Little Ugly Creek. At one time, many thought that Allison had been dumped in LUC at the crossing with Wirrabara Rd

I'm not aware of any road with a similar name in Brookfield - perhaps there may be some confusion with Winrock St, which runs off the roundabout on Rafting Ground Rd near Will Truter's house (the man who heard the screams)?

And the only roundabout near Brookfield Rd and Boscombe Rd is the main roundabout in the middle of Brookfield where Brookfield Rd meets Gold Creek Rd.

I'm only a stone's throw from there...

I also lived a stones throw from Allison's house.

I know a person who also heard screams that night and they also knew GBC, Allison and the mistress( in the professional sense)

 

[AAAA]

I also lived a stones throw from Allison's house.

I know a person who also heard screams that night and they also knew GBC, Allison and the mistress( in the professional sense)

Did you hear anything? Did the other person live near the house?

 

[kiwijayne]

Did you hear anything? Did the other person live near the house?

Didn't hear anything. Did see all the police and helicopters though. We had our property searched and we where questioned if we heard anything. Was very telling the after the first few days we weren't to be cautious etc I think that the at already knew that the hubby was involved.

No they didn't live near the house.

 

[DrWatson]

His name also comes up under Urban 8 realty. I think I remember seeing a listings wanted sign for Urban8 realty on Brookfield Rd, on the way to GBC'S house. It was someone who works there's house, on the left hand side. Might be his? Not 100% sure about the Urban 8. Doctor Watson, maybe you could be kind enough to have a Look on your way home one night? If so it might help pinpoint a proximity. Could be wrong though. IMO.

I know the house you mean, AAAA. They run an office from home, down a path on the left side of the house. But I'd have to check the name they operate under. I'll check it next time I drive past in daylight. But I don't know if that has anything to do with the person with the dog from Anstead, unless they've moved.

Kiwijayne - we must live pretty close to each other. We were also interviewed, and had our place searched including the dam. And no, we didn't hear anything that night either.

 

[LollyPop]

I only wrote down wheel arches but I presume that they didn't find any plant material from Kholo anywhere on the car. I have mentioned before that I wonder if they found any plant material at all from anywhere on the captiva.

Just too clean on the outside? And re the shoes, he could have given them any pair of shoes I guess. But also, considering his scout involvement and the nearby camp could his lawyers not argue that if matter was found on shoes from Kholo creek that it could have been from visits to the area at other times?

 

[Maigret]

Just too clean on the outside? And re the shoes, he could have given them any pair of shoes I guess. But also, considering his scout involvement and the nearby camp could his lawyers not argue that if matter was found on shoes from Kholo creek that it could have been from visits to the area at other times?

Certainly sounds like the captiva was too clean on the outside - they must have thought they had plenty of time to clean the inside - surely the forensics people could tell if the plant matter was from a day ago or a week ago ?

 

[Couldbe]

Certainly sounds like the captiva was too clean on the outside - they must have thought they had plenty of time to clean the inside - surely the forensics people could tell if the plant matter was from a day ago or a week ago ?

Sorry to ask this question if it should be common knowledge, but is it more than rumour that the vehicle was cleaned on the morning that the Police arrived?
If the vehicle(s) engine was still warm when the Police arrived, I guess that GBC covered himself by telling 000 that he was out 'driving the streets' looking for his wife.

 

[Indromum]

Sorry to ask this question if it should be common knowledge, but is it more than rumour that the vehicle was cleaned on the morning that the Police arrived?
If the vehicle(s) engine was still warm when the Police arrived, I guess that GBC covered himself by telling 000 that he was out 'driving the streets' looking for his wife.

You have to be a verified local to answer that question....

 

[alioop]

I don't think GBC told police he was driving around to explain a warm engine, I think he told them that as he was driving when he called. We don't know why he was driving but he said he was looking for his wife and his father was looking after the girls.

 

[Couldbe]

Certainly sounds like the captiva was too clean on the outside - they must have thought they had plenty of time to clean the inside - surely the forensics people could tell if the plant matter was from a day ago or a week ago ?

I don't think GBC told police he was driving around to explain a warm engine, I think he told them that as he was driving when he called. We don't know why he was driving but he said he was looking for his wife and his father was looking after the girls.

Thank you alioop. I didn't explain what I was implying very well ..... what I meant to imply was that if the Police had happened to notice that both vehicles were warm (after the activities of the early morning up until 4 am) that GBC would have been able to explain that the warm engine of one of the vehicles was because he had been out 'driving the streets' (stated when he spoke to the Operator ... IMO implying that he was looking for his wife); maybe he said that he was in the Captiva, but it could have been undergoing a clean, so in that case he would have been in the 4WD. This is a bit convoluted I know, but such points of evidence could be telling. Of course, IMO he may not have been out 'driving the streets' at all.