Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #42

[LegallyBrunette]

Someone explained months ago that a lawyer/barrister/defence lawyer, etc. is ALWAYS an officers of the Court first, hence their duty is to the Court first and foremost and NOT to their client. It was said that if a defence lawyer is made aware that their client is guilty, they CANNOT represent them in Court as if they were NOT guilty. In that sense, they choose not to ask if their client committed the crime or not.

I think it was me And it's true.

You must do the best you can for your client, but first duty is to the Court.

If a client pleads not guilty and during the trial the lawyer becomes aware that they are guilty, and client will not consent to change plea, the lawyer must withdraw from representing the client.

 

[LadyBird1]

Ali, I am with you, the diary should not have been published.:twocents:

Had the diary entries NOT been published (and I admit to be the first in being ashamed on her behalf, embarrassed, shy, don't want to go there, and all the rest, none of which measures any where near to being dead...murdered) then Allison's written testimony would not be told.
Her other written evidence upon the scarred face of he accused, is also very bold.
Please may the legal team be literate enough to read written evidence.
Please may all sleuthers be aware of this fact:
Allison is deceased.
Allison can hurt no more.
(Allison's children can hurt more. Much more.)
Allison may be glad that her written evidence (the two of them, diary, and facial) may be the ONLY manner in which she may proclaim her innocence in her demise, may be the only evidence she may leave as to her husband's true personality.
Allison may appreciate that her written evidence is able to be translated.
Allison may appreciate that sleuthers who are able to transcribe her diary, can also consider her children. Allison's most important concerns.
Allison may be able to message to her children through media such as this that she loved them so much. So very much.
"Dearest children, my children, I love you beyond all else in the whole world."

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Had the diary entries NOT been published (and I admit to be the first in being ashamed on her behalf, embarrassed, shy, don't want to go there, and all the rest, none of which measures any where near to being dead...murdered) then Allison's written testimony would not be told.
Her other written evidence upon the scarred face of he accused, is also very bold.
Please may the legal team be literate enough to read written evidence.
Please may all sleuthers be aware of this fact:
Allison is deceased.
Allison can hurt no more.
(Allison's children can hurt more. Much more.)
Allison may be glad that her written evidence (the two of them, diary, and facial) may be the ONLY manner in which she may proclaim her innocence in her demise, may be the only evidence she may leave as to her husband's true personality.
Allison may appreciate that her written evidence is able to be translated.
Allison may appreciate that sleuthers who are able to transcribe her diary, can also consider her children. Allison's most important concerns.
Allison may be able to message to her children through media such as this that she loved them so much. So very much.
"Dearest children, my children, I love you beyond all else in the whole world."

I'm sure all that will comfort her parents in their grief and humiliation.:furious:
Allison had other family and friends who can, have and will speak for her. An intimate diary does not need to be published in MSM for justice to be done.

 

[alioop]

I'm sure all that will comfort her parents in their grief and humiliation.:furious:
Allison had other family and friends who can, have and will speak for her. An intimate diary does not need to be published in MSM for justice to be done.

Well said Legally. Being used as evidence in the murder case is a totally different issue to whether the diary should have been published in MSM.

 

[CaseClosed]

I've just realised that once the Committal starts, it will be almost 9 months to the day since his arrest. I bet he did not count on that!!!

 

[alioop]

I think it will have been a very long 9 months for GBC!

 

[CaseClosed]

I think it will have been a very long 9 months for GBC!

I hope he has suffered a lot in there, without his worldly possessions and mistresses, without freedom! I really hope some journo manages to get photographs of him once he shows up in Court. A sketch will not be enough.

 

[they'll get you]

Well said Legally. Being used as evidence in the murder case is a totally different issue to whether the diary should have been published in MSM.

I read Allisons diary because it was there....voyeurism? I certainly did not think anything of the sort, uncomfortable yes. I saw it as she could have been speaking to us from her grave as I've felt she has been all the way through this horror. I once wrote a similar diary & it was a cry for help but I'm still here Allison isn't. I was (in my laymans way) trying to analyse (in my laymans way) the murder of Allison. The same way I looked close up to scratches, mud under bridges, parents pashing, smashed cars & koppus bloody logs!

not until now did I know or realise there was any legal problems with that. No one from this site (legal or otherwise) advised me otherwise until now.

Many things have upset & offended me on this site but I think I'm growing a set.

:seeya:

 

[LadyBird1]

I'm sure all that will comfort her parents in their grief and humiliation.:furious:
Allison had other family and friends who can, have and will speak for her. An intimate diary does not need to be published in MSM for justice to be done.

Allison's family have already suffered the ultimate in grief and humiliation.
Allison's diary WILL be seen as her written affidavit. Thank-you.
I do not like that such an intimate diary is publicised.
But underneath I AM glad it has. For no other reason than to portray the husband for what he was. And also to provide the only written evidence as to the character of the man chosen to be the wife of the one murdered.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I think it will have been a very long 9 months for GBC!

Plenty of time for reflection

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Well said Legally. Being used as evidence in the murder case is a totally different issue to whether the diary should have been published in MSM.

IMO, this part of the evidence should have been suppressed from publication.
Justice John Griffith-Williams has the right idea in the trial of Mark Bridger for April Jones' murder.
The way this is panning out the defence could almost apply for a stay because GBC has more or less been tried and found guilty already. :twocents:

 

[KG1]

Thanks KG....thread started at the following link...

Australia - Trial ordered for Alan Leahy over the 1991 killings of Julie-Anne Leahy a - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks Marly - justice may yet be served for these families, who have tried for 22 years to obtain it. A brave coroner who called a spade a spade.

 

[Fuskier]

Thanks Redlightthroughpaper.
This MSM information is reported by Geoff Breusch. IMO the video is well worth watching. Ah, WOW! This video report states:

"... after Allison Baden-Clay disappeared, Gerard Baden-Clay was lent a phone by Bruce Flegg - without the then Minister's knowledge.

My speculation and opinion only.

IMHO GBC's use of another phone is important in the scheme of this case. Hopefully, any clandestine calls, from different phones, under different names (i.e. Bruce Overland) is being uncovered. Hypothetically, if it was not known that he borrowed a phone from Mr. Bruce Flegg, his calls would most likely have remained 'fragmented' and undetected. This is where good detective work comes in: how many other phones did he use to make calls from? Hopefully people will have come forward to QPolice with such information.

 

[Liadan]

Plenty of time for reflection

Yeah right the narcisisitic kind of self reflection -'oh poor little me - for I am in jail wrongly accused' if we are lucky we would get ' - 'I am only a little bit guilty of having an affair'

Not much happening in terms of self reflection - he would have had to admit wrong. That aint happening.

 

[redlightthroughpaper]

IMHO GBC's use of another phone is important in the scheme of this case. Hopefully, any clandestine calls, from different phones, under different names (i.e. Bruce Overland) is being uncovered. Hypothetically, if it was not known that he borrowed a phone from Mr. Bruce Flegg, his calls would most likely have remained 'fragmented' and undetected. This is where good detective work comes in: how many other phones did he use to make calls from? Hopefully people will have come forward to QPolice with such information.

I agree. The police had GBC's iPhone - so he would have needed another one to use - but it seems very odd to me that he didn't just get another phone himself. I am also very curious as to why BF apparently didn't know about the phone loan.

 

[Thinking]

I agree. The police had GBC's iPhone - so he would have needed another one to use - but it seems very odd to me that he didn't just get another phone himself. I am also very curious as to why BF apparently didn't know about the phone loan.

Is this where he got the idea for the name "Bruce" (Overland)??

 

[redlightthroughpaper]

Is this where he got the idea for the name "Bruce" (Overland)??

hahaha. I can't imagine so!
But it seems very strange to me that GBC didn't just buy another phone. I can't think of any innocent reason why he would borrow one instead of just buying one?

 

[Thinking]

hahaha. I can't imagine so!
But it seems very strange to me that GBC didn't just buy another phone. I can't think of any innocent reason why he would borrow one instead of just buying one?

Ha!

It is very strange indeed. And how could BF not have known about it - did his PA give it to GBC on the sly? So weird.

 

[redlightthroughpaper]

Ha!

It is very strange indeed. And how could BF not have known about it - did his PA give it to GBC on the sly? So weird.

I feel very uneasy about it. A lot of GBC's behaviours after ABC went missing that have been discussed on here that seemed strange to other websleuthers, didn't seem all that strange to me - but borrowing a phone instead of buying one, just seems very very weird! IMO.

 

[CaseClosed]

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