Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #43

[Trooper]

But Gerard has an explanation for this aberration. 'She had a tendency to put her phone on silent because every time and every email , or something comes to the , you know, it , it, dings, um.. and the girls actually said that this morning.. They said Mum often puts her phone on silent. So we checked where she'd normally leave it. '...

When Allisons phone comes up as out of range, Gerard is right there with an explanation for that, too... .

'it could be', says Gerard.. ' that it's turned off, it could be that location services are turned of , um ah ( indistinct) which is ( indistinct), um , dont either of you guys have an Iphone? um, you do? yeah. Um.. so.. you know, if you, of you look up Yellow pages, um for example , if your location services are turned on, it'll show you the nearest business..... and that sort of thing. But if you turn it off or, or whatever, you can hide from people who are following you, or whatever......'...

Freudian slip there, Gerard??

 

[linette]

Re the alleged reports of the bus stop sighting, or rather inference there was...if I had seen an old man at a bus stop late at night (presumably when busses have stopped running) I would be concerned they were a vulnerable person and perhaps were lost or had wandered away from their house. I would remember that. I don't think I would stop though, but it would be on my mind...was there anything confirmed on this? I recall in previous threads someone said two women in one car pulled over and saw the person they knew and he appeared strange and that was that.

From what I remember there were 2 different people {at least one was a woman} had seen an elderly man at the bus stop, and it was said that at least one could positively identify him as NBC because they knew him. Apparently this was reported to police.
You're right there was a huge discussion on here about it earlier on, and to me it seemed reliable at the time.
I can't remember the members who were on at the time discussing it but it seems lately this has been discounted as more likely a rumour.
Personally I don't remember about the 2 women being in one car, what i recall are two separate sightings which made it seem a little more reliable to me.

 

[ollijack]

I cant imagine how long that wait for Allisons body to be found was for Gerard.. a Million dollars in insurance payout , battalions of Search and Rescue blokes out there, 11 whole days, and he knows where it is, it must have driven him nuts

Unlike your average killer, who doesnt want the body found, Gerard needed it to be found. At least , by June 30th. It was the whole point of it all. Collect the death certificate. Ring the insurers. Make the claim. Deposit the cheque. Payout everyone who was rude enough to expect their money back, and carry on. New office. New staff. Simple.

Dear Trooper, I LOVE the way you write.....so witty and tongue in cheek and clever.....I am your fan. lol xxxx

 

[linette]

There's just one thing i can't seem to figure out.
Regardless of me not being able to figure it out I'm still totally convinced he is guilty.

My question is this: Yes the money would go to him on her death, which he had enquired about before and after her death.
It has been said that perhaps it was pre-planned but wasn't meant to happen that night.
With the way things panned out the murder seems to have been very disorganized... from beginning to end.
So what happened? Do we think it happened accidentally that night and he panicked and didn't remember what his plans were? ...or it happened in a way that did not even resemble the way he had planned so therefor couldn't carry it out and make himself not a suspect.

If he had planned on murdering her another day I think he planned it alone. I would hope that none of his family would be involved in something like that. I guess there's a big difference in my mind to helping someone murder someone & helping hide the fact afterwards, IYKWIM?

Well I suppose that's really a thousand questions, not just one, hey?

 

[ollijack]

It would have been very interesting to see his expression when the police turned up at his office to let him know a body had been found. I wonder how he reacted when they told him. Rushed them out the door so he could make an urgent phone call?

Written by THINKING, SNIPPED BY ME.

I dont know what's wrong with me this morning...um just finished night shift so a bit sleep deprived but that image of him rushing the detectives out the door has me laughing with tears rolling..........xxxx

 

[linette]

But Gerard has an explanation for this aberration. 'She had a tendency to put her phone on silent because every time and every email , or something comes to the , you know, it , it, dings, um.. and the girls actually said that this morning.. They said Mum often puts her phone on silent. So we checked where she'd normally leave it. '...

When Allisons phone comes up as out of range, Gerard is right there with an explanation for that, too... .

'it could be', says Gerard.. ' that it's turned off, it could be that location services are turned of , um ah ( indistinct) which is ( indistinct), um , dont either of you guys have an Iphone? um, you do? yeah. Um.. so.. you know, if you, of you look up Yellow pages, um for example , if your location services are turned on, it'll show you the nearest business..... and that sort of thing. But if you turn it off or, or whatever, you can hide from people who are following you, or whatever......'...

Freudian slip there, Gerard??

I must say that I thought his use of the word 'following' seemed strange. AND the fact that he couldn't seem to string two healthy words together. For a person who loved to hear himself talk he didn't do very well. To me that reeked of guilt rather than worry about his missing wife.

 

[redlightthroughpaper]

SSergeant Narelle Curtis made a call to Allisons phone, while at the home from her mobile. At a rough guess, since these 2 sergeants arrived at 8.45am and had to try and pin Gerard down to some kind of sense,
it could have been around 9.15, 9.20am .

She gets Gerard to ring again from HIS mobile to Allisons, also. Olivia says she rang Allisons mobile twice from the landline.. ( Olivia is back at Gerards having come back from driving the girls to school, Nige is sayin nothin about no phone ) and left a message at the station as well. Gerards landline or Nigels landline ( if she did ring before she left Nigels place ) I dont know. Gerard says he rang twice and txted.

Sergeant Jackson says, 'its coming up as out of range'...

Thanks Trooper - but Doc mentioned that a constable used the app - and it worked. So I was wondering what time it was that the constable first used it when the app actually worked?

 

[Trooper]

I must say that I thought his use of the word 'following' seemed strange. AND the fact that he couldn't seem to string two healthy words together. For a person who loved to hear himself talk he didn't do very well. To me that reeked of guilt rather than worry about his missing wife.

How he loved to hear hiimself talk. Talking everywhere, at Lions club get to gethers, at the local high school as a sort of mentor , on the golf course, at the Parents Assoc, at each and all of those relentless 'meetings'... at conferences, seminars, he loved to transcript his speeches and have them bunged up on his little website, so thrilled was he with his own words, just in case people couldnt attend some shindig or other.

How eager he was to advise the audience on any subject, finance ( a fiscal nincompoop) marriage ( ??) fatherhood (??), the future ( hows that goin, ger? ) . .. Glued to his mobile, he talked and talked and talked, he called everyone, and funny enough, Bruce Overland wasnt shy either.. he was a talker, a yapper, a man of many words..

yet.. that morning. he was like a verbal sinkhole. every question was deflected with ums and ahs and sudden spouts of nonsensical verbiage... no wonder alarm bells rang for Constable Ash.

 

[linette]

Hi CC He did have the app on his phone - but it hadn't been used when he said it had. That is stored in the logs under MRU (Most Recently Used). I think Judge Applegarth was reading the tech report on the analysis of GBC's phone. So when GBC texted Allison's phone implying that he had been trying to find her using "the App", the logs actually showed that he hadn't actually used the App. That's why Judge Applegarth comment that he must be stupid to say what he did....

An enterprising constable used the app on GBC's phone - ran it - to locate Allison's phone, and that was what came up with that 150m radius thing. It showed the blue dot for Allison's phone in or near the back garden of a VERY close neighbour. But all attempts to actually find the phone failed. They never found it. But it was that App that gave us that sudden change from a radius of several kilometres you may recall, suddenly reduced to a radius of about 150m.

This will probably sound really stupid, but is there a chance he had buried the phone in the back yard to get it out of the way quickly, then moved it later? Would it still show up as the 'blue dot' if it was actually covered by dirt in the yard or garden? It would be a good quick fix to temporarily get rid of it.
I'm thinking maybe in the garden area, under trees where it wouldn't be obvious that dirt had been disturbed.

 

[CaseClosed]

Hi CC He did have the app on his phone - but it hadn't been used when he said it had. That is stored in the logs under MRU (Most Recently Used). I think Judge Applegarth was reading the tech report on the analysis of GBC's phone. So when GBC texted Allison's phone implying that he had been trying to find her using "the App", the logs actually showed that he hadn't actually used the App. That's why Judge Applegarth comment that he must be stupid to say what he did....

An enterprising constable used the app on GBC's phone - ran it - to locate Allison's phone, and that was what came up with that 150m radius thing. It showed the blue dot for Allison's phone in or near the back garden of a VERY close neighbour. But all attempts to actually find the phone failed. They never found it. But it was that App that gave us that sudden change from a radius of several kilometres you may recall, suddenly reduced to a radius of about 150m.

Thanks for clarifying, Doc! I only knew part of this info.

 

[marlywings]

Just letting you all know, the documents of the bail hearing affidavit, which have been available for purchase from the courts, will be posted in a separate thread today.

When the link is ready we'll post it in here

 

[Trooper]

Thanks Trooper - but Doc mentioned that a constable used the app - and it worked. So I was wondering what time it was that the constable first used it when the app actually worked?

the two constables who attended first arrived at 8am.. ( Ash and Hammond) they dont say they tried the phone, either Gerards, or their own mobiles, or the landline to ring Allisons phone.

the two Senior Sargeants who Ash called in, Curtiss and Jackson arrived about 8.45am and then had to wade thru Gerards stuff, his shaving mishap, his toilet habits, I kid you not, his Monday car accident, Nigel trying to leave and being made to stay, Allisons supposed state of mind, her medication (??) the state of his marriage, ( He hopes it isnt going to break up )...his marriage counsellor, what Allison is wearing, on and on, too much .. I made a guess that the attempt with the phone would have been at the earliest 9.15, up to 9.35.. the time as it rolls on isnt gathered , its just an interview being conducted at Gerards home.

A whole lot of stuff was being blithered about by Gerard up to and after that attempt to track the phone. Sgt Curtis gets a ring signal and leaves a message. .

 

[redlightthroughpaper]

the two constables who attended first arrived at 8am.. ( Ash and Hammond) they dont say they tried the phone, either Gerards, or their own mobiles, or the landline to ring Allisons phone.

the two Senior Sargeants who Ash called in, Curtiss and Jackson arrived about 8.45am and then had to wade thru Gerards stuff, his shaving mishap, his toilet habits, I kid you not, his Monday car accident, Nigel trying to leave and being made to stay, Allisons supposed state of mind, her medication (??) the state of his marriage, ( He hopes it isnt going to break up )...his marriage counsellor, what Allison is wearing, on and on, too much .. I made a guess that the attempt with the phone would have been at the earliest 9.15, up to 9.35.. the time as it rolls on isnt gathered , its just an interview being conducted at Gerards home.

A whole lot of stuff was being blithered about by Gerard up to and after that attempt to track the phone. Sgt Curtis gets a ring signal and leaves a message. .

Thanks Trooper. But I am assuming that the constable who used the app would have done so AFTER Sgt Jackson spoke to GBC about the app. Perhaps the constable used it more than once? Perhaps at some point in the two hours PRIOR to 10.49am? I am trying to narrow the timeline between when location services may have been 'out of range' and when location services seem to have been working.

Edit: But your post does narrow it down to about an hour and a half though - thanks.

 

[CaseClosed]

There's just one thing i can't seem to figure out.
Regardless of me not being able to figure it out I'm still totally convinced he is guilty.

My question is this: Yes the money would go to him on her death, which he had enquired about before and after her death.
It has been said that perhaps it was pre-planned but wasn't meant to happen that night.
With the way things panned out the murder seems to have been very disorganized... from beginning to end.
So what happened? Do we think it happened accidentally that night and he panicked and didn't remember what his plans were? ...or it happened in a way that did not even resemble the way he had planned so therefor couldn't carry it out and make himself not a suspect.

If he had planned on murdering her another day I think he planned it alone. I would hope that none of his family would be involved in something like that. I guess there's a big difference in my mind to helping someone murder someone & helping hide the fact afterwards, IYKWIM?

Well I suppose that's really a thousand questions, not just one, hey?

Personally, I don't think he ever planned on murdering her. It was said earlier on that he enquired about the insurances before her death because they were so short of money and thinking of reducing their liabilities/premiums. I think he killed her in a moment of rage and THEN realised he would get a $$ windfall from it. He may have then realised too, that the body needed to be found. Did he/they then go back around 4 am and move her body to a more visible location?

 

[CaseClosed]

Just letting you all know, the documents of the bail hearing affidavit, which have been available for purchase from the courts, will be posted in a separate thread today.

When the link is ready we'll post it in here

Thanks, Marly. Thank you also to the person who has provided the documents!!

 

[CaseClosed]

This will probably sound really stupid, but is there a chance he had buried the phone in the back yard to get it out of the way quickly, then moved it later? Would it still show up as the 'blue dot' if it was actually covered by dirt in the yard or garden? It would be a good quick fix to temporarily get rid of it.
I'm thinking maybe in the garden area, under trees where it wouldn't be obvious that dirt had been disturbed.

That is the first thing I thought too, that he had buried the phone in the backyard (Scraps the dog barking). However, the property was then declared a crime scene that same day and for several days thereafter. When would he have had the opportunity to move the phone? What if he buried it in the property next door, i.e. past the boundary where QPS would not necessarily search?

 

[KG1]

The full video of Olivia's impromptu 'press conference' of 13 March 2013 is available for viewing on Ian Walton's facebook, together with supportive comments from others.

 

[linette]

That is the first thing I thought too, that he had buried the phone in the backyard (Scraps the dog barking). However, the property was then declared a crime scene that same day and for several days thereafter. When would he have had the opportunity to move the phone? What if he buried it in the property next door, i.e. past the boundary where QPS would not necessarily search?

Yep, that's what I'm thinking. Did they dig up his garden at all, near the trees and bushes? {The ones that ended up in her hair}

Wonder if there is a little secret hidey hole where they didn't find it?
Would it still throw a signal surrounded by dirt? { I don't really want to bury my own phone to find out. haha}

Once he was allowed to move back there, could he have moved it then? By then it would have been well and truly out of charge.}

 

[linette]

The full video of Olivia's impromptu 'press conference' of 13 March 2013 is available for viewing on Ian Walton's facebook, together with supportive comments from others.

Really? Seems a little bit self promoting?

At least they can comfort themselves in all of the supportive posts, hey?

 

[DrWatson]

Thanks Trooper. But I am assuming that the constable who used the app would have done so AFTER Sgt Jackson spoke to GBC about the app. Perhaps the constable used it more than once? Perhaps at some point in the two hours PRIOR to 10.49am? I am trying to narrow the timeline between when location services may have been 'out of range' and when location services seem to have been working.

Edit: But your post does narrow it down to about an hour and a half though - thanks.

Since the affidavits are being posted and presumably can be discussed, the statement of Const Kellie Thomson shows that she used the Find My Friends app on GBC's phone at 1:09pm that day, and it showed Allison's phone as being about 150m away somewhere near the garden of 61 Boscombe Rd. Const Thomson had tried to use the app earlier, but had got no signal on GBC's phone. You may recall that I've posted a few times that the signal varies a lot at Brookfield, and can change just by walking from one side of the house to the other.

Hope that clarifies things, RLTP