Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #45

[Sor Juana]

Indeed! I believe that is the exact reason for the texts. Written "alibi" And proof he was blissfully unaware of Allison's whereabouts or anything untoward.
And in the past few days here, after much discussion, even the "none of the girls are up yet" part appears also to be a blatant lie. Because it is more than likely they weren't even AT home. So that too was a mere diversion within his written in "alibi". IMO. And written "evidence" that the girls were home, creating his alibi for innocent doings all night. Pfft to the love G fairytale ending.

LadyBird1, I just realised that I missed the bit about the girls. Is there any info about where they slept the night on the 20th? If the girls slept at home that night, they could have heard something. If they were not in the house, how could GBC lie in his sms that they 'were not up yet' so blatantly?

 

[Happygolucky]

At this stage, I think it's quite safe to say, Allison didn't go for any walk at all. According to reports she was killed at the house. However, GBC "claims" she went for a walk...

June 23, 2012

That morning police claim he would give four different stories to friends and family about a walk Allison could have taken when she disappeared.

To some, officers say, he said Allison liked to take a walk early in the morning. To his sister, Olivia Walton, he allegedly described a particular route. He told a close friend of Allison's that she would walk at 10pm each night and he described to Allison's parents two different walking routes.

But when police asked, they said he told them he had no idea where she would have gone walking.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...d-in-court-claim/story-e6freoof-1226405967381

If Alison did not go for a walk or was not planning on going for a walk it begs the question why was she wearing joggers. Most women I know don't wear socks and joggers around the house unless they are planning on exercising. Unless of course someone else dressed her in her walking clothes. This may explain XL bonds jumper and XXL Katies trousers described in the autopsy report. It has never made sense to me the size of her walking clothes for a 72kg women. Maybe they were old maternity sizes. I am still very interested if photos from the autopsy may reveal that someone else tied the shoelaces.

 

[Sor Juana]

On the arvo of the 19th TM rang him 'about the sausages'. He couldn't ring her because Allison was checking his phone.

He didn't start ringing TM from his mobile until mid-afternoon on the 20th.

Exactly!!

 

[SandyGG]

It's interesting that Allison's phone records show a huge amount of calls were diverted to 101 on 20 April, starting at 6:32am and finishing at 11:27pm. Whether these calls were from GBC, the police or others, is not clear but it does show that someone was constantly trying to get in contact with her and of course she didn't answer.

So let's say for argument's sake that it was GBC who made the majority of those calls, purely for the sake of appearances. He would have to know that Allison's phone was in a place where it could not be heard when it rang, beeped or vibrated and that there was no chance of anyone picking it up to answer the call. The policewoman who attended on the Thursday morning also called Allison's phone while GBC was standing next to her. I bet he didn't expect the blue dot to appear on her phone indicating that Allison's phone was pinging near 61 Boscombe Road, the property at the rear of the Brookfield house.

61 Boscombe Road Brookfield identifed by the letter A marker.
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I really wonder what happened to that phone. It being so close and unlocated is also very suspicious. If she had really walked off with it it would not have pinged so close or it should simply been still at home. So clearly it has been concealed at that time close to the property. Now a random attacker would have no reason to do that or would have disposed off it elsewhere.

 

[Sor Juana]

If Alison did not go for a walk or was not planning on going for a walk it begs the question why was she wearing joggers. Most women I know don't wear socks and joggers around the house unless they are planning on exercising. Unless of course someone else dressed her in her walking clothes. This may explain XL bonds jumper and XXL Katies trousers described in the autopsy report. It has never made sense to me the size of her walking clothes for a 72kg women. Maybe they were old maternity sizes. I am still very interested if photos from the autopsy may reveal that someone else tied the shoelaces.

It's a very good point. I have always been of the view that GBC pulled the jumper and joggers on Allison 'afterwords'... After he has killed her. When asked next morning how she was dressed, he had no problems describing it. He did not know when she went for a walk but he knew what she'd put on. :notgood:

 

[Maigret]

Big hugs for you Aunty.....just had a call from my ex....woulden't ya know it wants to come visit me.....:banghead:

Lol
My ex wanted to have me as his 'bit on the side' after we separated

 

[Zanzibar]

Wondering where the text to Kerri Anne is? Was it not reported "She texted me the night before"?

When you have an iPhone 4 & you're texting another iPhone 4 and you have wifi access, I don't believe it shows up on your phone bill. Maybe that's what happened?

 

[GEANIE]

If Alison did not go for a walk or was not planning on going for a walk it begs the question why was she wearing joggers. Most women I know don't wear socks and joggers around the house unless they are planning on exercising. Unless of course someone else dressed her in her walking clothes. This may explain XL bonds jumper and XXL Katies trousers described in the autopsy report. It has never made sense to me the size of her walking clothes for a 72kg women. Maybe they were old maternity sizes. I am still very interested if photos from the autopsy may reveal that someone else tied the shoelaces.

SHOE LACES....I am a bit curious about them too....as to how and/or which way they were tied...very telling.IMO:fence:

 

[Inspector]

If Alison did not go for a walk or was not planning on going for a walk it begs the question why was she wearing joggers. Most women I know don't wear socks and joggers around the house unless they are planning on exercising. Unless of course someone else dressed her in her walking clothes. This may explain XL bonds jumper and XXL Katies trousers described in the autopsy report. It has never made sense to me the size of her walking clothes for a 72kg women. Maybe they were old maternity sizes. I am still very interested if photos from the autopsy may reveal that someone else tied the shoelaces.

I strongly believe the mystery of the clothing sizes may be that she was wearing the clothing she found most comfortable to watch tv/sleep in. No way would you walk in baggy clothes, especially pants, as you would constantly need to yank them up. Shoes could have been worn to keep warm, but may have been put on as a cover-up. :moo:

 

[Champagne4lulu]

Has it been reported WHEN the other affairs were and for how long they went on?

 

[GEANIE]

Night night all you wonderful people....see you tomorrow......

 

[LadyBird1]

LadyBird1, I just realised that I missed the bit about the girls. Is there any info about where they slept the night on the 20th? If the girls slept at home that night, they could have heard something. If they were not in the house, how could GBC lie in his sms that they 'were not up yet' so blatantly?

Sor Juana, Right up to the last few days, I was a firm believer that the girls spent the night at home. Why? Because his texts indicated such.
Hellooo? Is there anything that comes forth from that mouth or phone or self that is truthful? He is a proven liar. IMO.
He is also a master of diversion tactics. IMO.
He is also a master of deceit. IMO.
The texts were to "prove" his blissful innocence. Geez how could anything like a murder occur at with the CHILDREN home. (Emphasis on the diversion)

1. He was speaking with TM in the supermarket, then again when he arrived at his fathers place. Children in the pool.
TM had really put the screws on him in regards to Allison and she attending the same conference together. And WHEN was Allison going to told that Ms TM (numero uno) was also going? And didn't he PROMISE their relationship was going to be hunky dory soon. Well how come Allison was going to the conference? Indignation and even anger evident. IMO.
2. He would have been pretty fired up about that time.
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4. The children were in OW's car when the police arrived. Supposedly going to school. (Quick thinking there. IMO.)
Probably with no lunch either but that's just my opinion only. The police arrived very much too soon IMO. So had to ad lib from there.
The texts IMO were no more than a written alibi for all was well at the GBC household that night. IMO.
It is not what happens that counts for this family of Clay, it's how the Law interprets what is said to have happened.
They appear to have no problems circumventing the Law, including within the Court room.

 

[ozazure]

Sor Juana, Right up to the last few days, I was a firm believer that the girls spent the night at home. Why? Because his texts indicated such.
Hellooo? Is there anything that comes forth from that mouth or phone or self that is truthful? He is a proven liar. IMO.
He is also a master of diversion tactics. IMO.
He is also a master of deceit. IMO.
The texts were to "prove" his blissful innocence. Geez how could anything like a murder occur at with the CHILDREN home. (Emphasis on the diversion)

1. He was speaking with TM in the supermarket, then again when he arrived at his fathers place. Children in the pool.
TM had really put the screws on him in regards to Allison and she attending the same conference together. And WHEN was Allison going to told that Ms TM (numero uno) was also going? And didn't he PROMISE their relationship was going to be hunky dory soon. Well how come Allison was going to the conference?
2. He would have been pretty fired up about that time.
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4. The children were in OW's car when the police arrived. Supposedly going to school. (Quick thinking there. IMO.)
Probably with no lunch either but that's just my opinion only. The police arrived very much too soon IMO. So had to ad lib from there.
The texts IMO were no more than a written alibi for all was well at the GBC household that night. IMO.
It is not what happens that counts for this family of Clay, it's how the Law interprets what is said to have happened.
They appear to have no problems circumventing the Law, including within the Court room.

You make some very good points ladybird1. The message about the children was likely included for a reason. And if it was untrue, whomever ferried those kids back is in it up to their neck. <modsnip>

 

[LadyBird1]

You make some very good points ladybird1. The message about the children was likely included for a reason. And if it was untrue, whomever ferried those kids back is in it up to their neck. <modsnip>

That is very much my opinion also. That person has a one track mind IMO. G is innocent come hell or high water. To hell with Court rules, Australian laws, truth, justice, integrity, or even the fact that Allison has been murdered.

 

[Sleuthilicious]

Here is an extract from TM#3 statement:

"Gerard and I would not text one another as he had advised me that Allison made him show her each message he received...."

The confusing part for me is that you can easily delete both incoming and outgoing texts and phone calls from a mobile phone. He could easily have done this really. Unless his phone records were also being checked by Allison. Otherwise, perhaps he used this as an excuse not to contact his plethora of lady-friends. "Sorry girls, it's the old ball and chain you see"...sad face. He just couldn't be bothered.

All IMO

 

[Strangeworld]

Please excuse my rant, but I am passionate about this case because, justice must prevail over ego, money, power , position and acting. If GBC gets away with M....r , then , we have no Justice. It's just a money making , ego driven, lying, machine.
I'm a divorced B'field wife and mother,(who was raised there and was my stomping ground .... who had to remove herself and children from the area , permanently) to get away from a wannabe millonaire, wannabe church owner through tax deductible contributions, a member of same mens club, screwed everyone he did business with, spent lots of money & went on expensive overseas business trips, family ignored what he did to them and me, even managed to get $ 1000,s of gov funding for a business that no one could work out its use or meaning, and he is a walking , functioning, mirror image of GBC .

My ex, when I escaped from him, ($?) employed a barrister, who was not yet sworn in , but soon to be , a newly appointed family court Judge. ( oh yes folks, and guess what happened to me? I ended up with a judgement that was a copy and paste of another judgement and I was given nothing. I suspect someone was desperate to make sure his last case showed and proved how good he was.
I would hate to think how low this person stooped behind chambers to get what he wanted, for ego sake. ( This same person, I have heard, has taken children off their mothers to reside with their fathers, where no proof was required)
I appealed,3 Judges heard it, and I was successful, and was awarded $5,000 compensation . This was money to help me have it reheard again. Meanwhile my ex owned the house, cars, businesses, rental properties etc. i needed $30,000 plus to have it reheard, and $ 25,000 to pay for my appeal fees. I had to walk away with nothing, and an ex who believed he was awarded it all because I was worthless.
Power, money and lies prevailed. A mother and her 2 children had nothing. I fought to keep my children, and that is a whole other story. Heartbreaking, but in the end, a female Magistrate had heard about my case, and helped my child get heard and get help.

Justice? No , but he told me he would make sure I had nothing, and he got what he wanted.
He still owns the 1mill family home on the park, best block there, but rents it out whilst he screws another woman who he lives with, who has new money , house, small kids sadly, from her dead husbands estate . Oh yes, he did his homework on this one.
But lucky for my children, and me, his plan to murder me, didnt work. He tried to have my friend charged with assult, when he stood in front of me and took the manic punches and blows one late dark night in Brookfield, and he went to the doctors to have his bruised hands documented as wounds of the assult.
The doctor didnt buy it, but he still used it as his evidence,to have my friend charged, because he said it was proof.... Eventually the police did nothing.

They lie, and Lie, and believe people will always believe them. so long as they have said it. Their words are uttered from God and they are 1 step from god, closer than You or I , or their children or any church or any other man.
It doesn't matter if its true, they have said it, so it is True.

Very disturbing stuff.

I am still a defendant to his dillusional court applications, 10 yrs now , and the youngest is 16. He loves the power to have me appear before him to defend his Applications.
I now just say,when I appear , now via phone link, as never in the B'bane court, that he is just here to annoy me and waste the courts time, and the magistrate always agrees , and dismisses his application. The magistrate never, does anything to stop him from doing it again. His secret is to go to different cities to lodge his applications. He is black listed here in B'bane.
So... being a defendant is my job. People have no idea what I mean when I say, Im a professional defendant.
Anyway, what I am saying is, " if GBC gets away with murder, then, what hope in hell have we got, if these types have also got away with taking our homes, pushing us out of our communities, away from our friends, our clubs, affecting our health, our dignity, our truth , our word, and also slapping our childrens faces, when they ask to be heard, beg for a say, and are ignored as hearsay, till they are 16, and then ignored again , as adults, because its all over.

I hate the way the mother victim is silenced by either murder or a system who supports the man with the money and big time lawyers, who god help you, are rubbing shoulders with the Judges.

Whatever GBC says or does, always look at it in a mirror, because it will be the exact opposite to the truth. His left is our right. his up is our down. his in is our out.
And don't be fooled by his lovers acting. She loves him because she is just like him. He is all that she wants to be and more. She wants to show him how good she is, and will do anything to keep him. I'm not convinced by her crocodile tears and acting. Too many lies there already. 2 narcissists in action.

Again, sorry for my rant..... Justice must be done ... The truth must be found... Just this once... just for Allison and her babies. :blushing:

You are an amazing woman, Aunty! Please know your words will not be lost. They will have touched many reading them today and in the future. No wonder you have so much insight into this case. Thank you so much for sharing.

 

[Strangeworld]

Just wanted to say Happy Easter to all the wonderful people on websleuths - I can't believe I only discovered this site in the last 12 months. I hope you all have a safe and happy time with loved ones, and if that's not possible, share the love on here

 

[Strangeworld]

Just some thoughts I've had on Allison's phone:

I'm trying to understand why her phone wasn't destroyed when it was disposed of.

-why didn't GBC (or whoever) smash the phone, take it apart, basically make it undetectable?
-why was it disposed of in such a way that it could still ping?
-was it a rash decision to throw it out a car window somewhere?
-did GBC (or whoever) consciously think there was something on the phone that he/they did not want anyone to ever see? Did someone go through her phone that night/morning to check?
-why was the phone not left with Allison's body? Was this a conscious decision, or was the phone an afterthought - maybe required an extra trip in the car by GBC (or someone) to get rid of it


Here are my thoughts (which have changed a bit since last year) - I actually think disposing of the phone was actually to get the phone away from the house, not to dispose of it because of incriminating stuff on the phone itself. It wasn't left with Allison's body because GBC didn't want the body to be found straight away. It was probably thrown from a car window by GBC or someone close to him.

I don't think GBC would have been that concerned if her phone was found (in fact I'm starting to wonder if he thought it WOULD be found, and was surprised it wasn't). In his eyes, it may have supported the possibility that someone abducted her and threw her phone away, or that Allison threw it away as she was on her way to kill herself.

What really bugs me is that the phone was not destroyed. In so many other cases, phones have been destroyed soon after a person disappears. No pinging at all. Why did GBC not smash the phone to smithereens? It just seems strange to me. And if there was someone that helped him 'clean up' that night or early the next morning, GBC may have disposed of the phone already, even if they suggested destroying the phone.

IMO

 

[DrWatson]

4. The children were in OW's car when the police arrived. Supposedly going to school. (Quick thinking there. IMO.)

Actually, just one small correction there:

In Const Ash's statement, he says "Constable Leah Hammond and I arrived at the address at 8:00am. As we drove up the driveway, I observed a female person walking three children down the front stairs and putting them into a vehicle in the driveway"

So they had been in the house already. Of course, the question is - had they been there all night, or had they just been brought back from the sleepover at Durness St to get changed and ready for school? No need to take the change of clothes etc to the grandparents' house as it is only 5 minutes away, and taking them to school is virtually the same as taking them home - school is just across the road, literally. So bringing them home to shower and change would not be an odd thing to do.

 

[KG1]

I have been perusing GBCs phone records and noted the following - 16/4 @ 3.28pm - call to 131155 lasting 72.42 minutes - This is Suncorp. Also the following day 17/4 @ 4.18pm - call to 131155 lasting 29.43 minutes, again Suncorp. Just over one and a half hours in 2 days to your insurer. And then 48 hours later or thereabouts, your wife is 'disappeared'. Then there was another call which intrigues me - to Blocksidge and Ferguson, Real Estate agents in Brisbane @ 2.43pm on 19/4 lasting 5.03 minutes. (That one could be to do with 'business as usual', or could be related to the later sale of the house, which was sold from gaol, or could be to another lady friend). MOO