Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #46

[alioop]

... and here's another mother of three little children murdered by her husband:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/geologist-spy-guilty-of-exwifes-donvale-murder-20131010-2vam1.html
Geologist Guilty of Ex-wife's Donvale Murder, October 10, 2013 - 3:36PM

A Supreme Court jury deliberated for more than four days before finding Robert Arthur Meade, 52, guilty on Thursday of murdering Sally Brooks on July 1, 2011.
The Crown had claimed during Meade's four-week trial that he was driven by a hatred of his former wife and bitterness over her decision to move to Britain with their three children when he attacked her in the laundry of her Donvale home.

Ms Brooks said Sally’s three beautiful children had lost the most precious person in the world, their mother. Sally lived for her children and loved them with all her heart.

Thanks Fuskier for that link. It says that the evidence was entirely circumstantial. No fingerprints or DNA evidence linking the husband to the murder of his ex wife and presumeably no witnesses. I see some similarities to Allison's murder, particularly that there was a deadline that was proven to be a motive, in that she was taking their 3 children to live in the UK. The opportunity was the last day their children would be at school so she was home alone.

 

[LadyBird1]

Just some more thinking... If I were to go missing and end up being found murdered in some unholy place: Would my husband:
(a) Appear horribly distraught
(b) Vow to find out who did this, with no holds barred
(c) Carry my casket at the funeral
(d) Make an emotional speech at that funeral
(e) In the event that he was unable to speak; appoint someone to speak on his behalf.
(f) Ensure the children's well being; Emotionally, spiritually, psychologically, physically. (g) Ensure that Mummy's memory would always be positive and a shining light for them.

 

[LadyBird1]

LB1, I don't think (thankfully) that there would be too many husbands who would react as GBC did. And I don't think there would be too many husbands who would send such stupid text messages "I've managed to dress myself and had a poo without any help."

Yes, sure is going to be a long wait until next June!

The day my husband starts talking to me by texts will be the day I need to see a marriage counselor.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Am a bit behind with my reading, however am thrilled to read that gerbil's new legal team have pulled the reins in. The previous shenanigans of OW were in utter contempt of any ‘dignity of the court’.

“Baden-Clay, who is due to face trial in June for the murder of his wife, sat silently in the dock for yesterday’s hearing. Clean-shaven and dressed in a dark suit, he was flanked by security guards and did not have his usual family support.”

http://www.news.com.au/national-new...r-should-testify/story-fnii5v6w-1226730693253

 

[they'll get you]

June is getting close & I'm happy to wait the time when all be known. Just praying for a fair outcome. The witnesses, friends, police and family of Allison know much more than we do. yes I'm happy now to wait.

 

[they'll get you]

Just thinking... I wonder if I went missing, if my husband would:
(a) Look around to see if he could find me, leaving no stone unturned.
(b) Try and Locate my mobile phone.
(c) Make a Doctor's appointment for himself ASAP.
(d) Hire a Lawyer ASAP.
(c) Contact my parents and have a long conversation. Ask for advice. Ask for help.
(d) Contact a lady friend and say "We shouldn't talk for a while, and we should lay low."
(e) Carry on with work as usual.

Thank you for the memory jolt on these crazy acts LadyBird1. Try to locate the mobile phone. Did the iPhone 3 have that ability? If so then a normal person would find wifey out in the dark rather than scare little kiddies by telling them 'mummy's falling down a hole' then send them to school in a happy & contented state of mind. (Aghaaa)
My daughter rescued a hurt roo on the side of the road, drove off to find her phone missing-'find my phone' showed it sitting on the side of the road miles back where the roo was. That app should been helpful for a distraught husband too.

 

[Liadan]

Thank you for the memory jolt on these crazy acts LadyBird1. Try to locate the mobile phone. Did the iPhone 3 have that ability? If so then a normal person would find wifey out in the dark rather than scare little kiddies by telling them 'mummy's falling down a hole' then send them to school in a happy & contented state of mind. (Aghaaa)
My daughter rescued a hurt roo on the side of the road, drove off to find her phone missing-'find my phone' showed it sitting on the side of the road miles back where the roo was. That app should been helpful for a distraught husband too.

There are so many things he did that make us all roll our eyes in disbelief. The car accident at Indooroopilly - a deliberate delay tactic to slow the police investigation, talking to the 'cute' reporters , the doctors visits to establish his injuries as shaving cuts, his thin and flimsy proclaimations of how he was looking after his children never once mentioning Allison, the beard to hide the healing cuts.

Definitely his business as usual was; come on folks in a few weeks you won't even remember this happened.

 

[BreakingNews]

Am a bit behind with my reading, however am thrilled to read that gerbil's new legal team have pulled the reins in. The previous shenanigans of OW were in utter contempt of any ‘dignity of the court’.

“Baden-Clay, who is due to face trial in June for the murder of his wife, sat silently in the dock for yesterday’s hearing. Clean-shaven and dressed in a dark suit, he was flanked by security guards and did not have his usual family support.”

http://www.news.com.au/national-new...r-should-testify/story-fnii5v6w-1226730693253

Thanks MM. It was interesting to read that the police executed a search warrant of Relationships Australia on 11 May 2012 - not long after Allison was found. So there must be something in there worth knowing about.

 

[LadyBird1]

Thank you for the memory jolt on these crazy acts LadyBird1. Try to locate the mobile phone. Did the iPhone 3 have that ability? If so then a normal person would find wifey out in the dark rather than scare little kiddies by telling them 'mummy's falling down a hole' then send them to school in a happy & contented state of mind. (Aghaaa)
My daughter rescued a hurt roo on the side of the road, drove off to find her phone missing-'find my phone' showed it sitting on the side of the road miles back where the roo was. That app should been helpful for a distraught husband too.

Thanks for that 'roo story Breaking News. So it was that easy to find that missing phone huh? Hmmm....Interesting...
Before the days of Apps, we lost a mobile phone possibly on the ground whilst making hay. (Had a hay-making whoopsie that required a stop and fix-it, middle of the night)
Next day we went out and phoned near where we remembered the "whoopsie".
Bingo! Ring ring! Found that phone. That was pretty hard BTW, because it was actually buried under a pile of hay. In the middle of no where,
Which reminds me, about the mobile phone in question: Somebody (for whatever reason) maybe didn't want that phone found.

 

[LadyBird1]

Thank you for the memory jolt on these crazy acts LadyBird1. Try to locate the mobile phone. Did the iPhone 3 have that ability? If so then a normal person would find wifey out in the dark rather than scare little kiddies by telling them 'mummy's falling down a hole' then send them to school in a happy & contented state of mind. (Aghaaa)
My daughter rescued a hurt roo on the side of the road, drove off to find her phone missing-'find my phone' showed it sitting on the side of the road miles back where the roo was. That app should been helpful for a distraught husband too.

Yes and another thing: Whilst wondering about my own dear husband and his reactions into my untimely disappearance; would he try really hard to locate my mobile phone; that might provide clues as to those last moments or hours of life. Whom did I last call? From whom did I last receive a call?
My own dear husband might even offer a reward for information regarding that all important phone. That all important phone just may have information regarding a Person of Interest.

 

[SouthAussie]

Happy to hear this morning that the police minister has asked Queensland Corrective Services to investigate changing the colour of the prisoners uniform ... to pink .... a la the Arizona sheriff who has done exactly that.

Starting with gang members and associates, then moving to the whole prison population.

The current khaki colour is considered too easy for camouflage for escapees. Plus pink will help diminish the bad-boy look.

I wonder ... is pink GBC's colour? He may be very excited about this proposed change. :skip:


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/10/21/06/22/pink-overall-mooted-for-qld-prisoners

 

[Fuskier]

https://www.mja.com.au/insight/2013/23/news-brief
Women Main Victims In Intimate Partner Homicide, News In Brief, Monday 24 June 2013.
AT least one in seven homicides globally and more than a third of female homicides are committed by an intimate partner, according to a systematic review involving data from 66 countries published in The Lancet... Median percentages for all homicides and for female intimate partner homicide were highest in high-income countries (all homicides, 14•9% v female homicides 41•2%) ... The researchers suggested their results were conservative... Dr Rosana Norman from the Queensland Children’s Medical Research Institute, said “Improved information about victim–perpetrator relationship is crucial to inform prevention strategies”...

These figures are suggested as conservative! Data collection from RA and similar organisations, Police and government agencies regarding incidences of intimate partner homicide is imperative IMO, so that we can develop risk assessments and intervention strategies to help prevent a relationship breakdown from taking this course of resolution. It is well time we took intimate partner violence against women more seriously IMO.

 

[Flinders]

GBC's grandpapa's holiday home is on the market.

Lord Baden-Powell's luxurious holiday home goes on the market for £4million

The property was owned by Lord Baden-Powell's future wife, Lady Olave Soames, but the couple hadn't met when he formed the movement.

Mike Jones, developer and project manager, from Lloyd's, said: 'Lady Olave's mother and father were a wealthy family and they owned the property as a seaside home.
'It was one of their homes and they would visit as a family and enjoy it as a place to be near the beach

Robert Baden-Powell launched the Scouting movement with his book 'Scouting for Boys' that was intended to be a training manual used by the army.
Instead, the ideas were rewritten for children and used to teach youngsters about observation and deduction and were put to the test at the first Brownsea Island camp.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ay-home-goes-sale-4million.html#ixzz2iKg3L5an
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Moo the property was of the bride and is now sold by the husband's family. From memory all these things are entailed. Properties, jewellery and all. It is kudos to wear the modified Baden tiara as a bride as I believe Allison wore. To cash in on grandpa's stuff is a sign of the times.

Moo

 

[Flinders]

I wonder if the BC's are cashing in on their inheritance. They got a good go at Ashley's and now they have to put aside pride and cash in on their own. I wonder if ABC while working overseas saw the holiday house. Moo

 

[Strangeworld]

Happy to hear this morning that the police minister has asked Queensland Corrective Services to investigate changing the colour of the prisoners uniform ... to pink .... a la the Arizona sheriff who has done exactly that.

Starting with gang members and associates, then moving to the whole prison population.

The current khaki colour is considered too easy for camouflage for escapees. Plus pink will help diminish the bad-boy look.

I wonder ... is pink GBC's colour? He may be very excited about this proposed change. :skip:


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/10/21/06/22/pink-overall-mooted-for-qld-prisoners

Boys in pink....might want to stay out of the clink!! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Seriously, this is a great idea. It won't work on the hardened criminals, but will certainly hit a nerve with some of the small time younger ones. And at least any escapees can be tracked down - just look for the bundle of pink running through the trees! :floorlaugh:

 

[SouthAussie]

Boys in pink....might want to stay out of the clink!! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Seriously, this is a great idea. It won't work on the hardened criminals, but will certainly hit a nerve with some of the small time younger ones. And at least any escapees can be tracked down - just look for the bundle of pink running through the trees! :floorlaugh:

Yes, well Sheriff Arpaio (who first introduced the idea in Arizona) is a very controversial man, but he keeps getting re-elected year after year. He also…

Feeds inmates only bologna sandwiches
Houses them in outdoor tent cities
Provides no air conditioning
Took away coffee - saving $150,000 a year
Has chain gangs for men and women
Has prohibited items including cigarettes, adult magazines, and television
Provides a self-styled literacy program broadcast nightly to the inmates


http://lawenforcementtoday.com/tag/tough-on-crime/
http://edition.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/

 

[Sleuthis-maximus]

I still think about Allison. I just think it's such an unspeakable thing - she did not have to die. I will remember this case forever. It's so sad she gets to miss out on seeing the light of her life - her children - grow up.

I often think about her funeral and how incredibly strong her family were/are.

 

[they'll get you]

I still think about Allison. I just think it's such an unspeakable thing - she did not have to die. I will remember this case forever. It's so sad she gets to miss out on seeing the light of her life - her children - grow up.

I often think about her funeral and how incredibly strong her family were/are.

Me too, every day. I know we all do. Unthinkably selfish.

As for the pink prison uniforms, I recall reading about a prison in America that had everything painted pastel pink to calm the prisoners down & it worked a treat. If pink is good enough for our umpires promoting breast cancer awareness then it's ok for the crims. Maybe yellow pyjamas with banana 1 & banana 2 written across their bums. That'd be fun. They're not in prison to look good.

 

[Fuskier]

https://www.mja.com.au/insight/2013/23/news-brief
Women Main Victims In Intimate Partner Homicide, News In Brief, Monday 24 June 2013.
AT least one in seven homicides globally and more than a third of female homicides are committed by an intimate partner, according to a systematic review involving data from 66 countries published in The Lancet... Median percentages for all homicides and for female intimate partner homicide were highest in high-income countries (all homicides, 14•9% v female homicides 41•2%) ... The researchers suggested their results were conservative... Dr Rosana Norman from the Queensland Children’s Medical Research Institute, said “Improved information about victim–perpetrator relationship is crucial to inform prevention strategies”...

These figures are suggested as conservative! Data collection from RA and similar organisations, Police and government agencies regarding incidences of intimate partner homicide is imperative IMO, so that we can develop risk assessments and intervention strategies to help prevent a relationship breakdown from taking this course of resolution. It is well time we took intimate partner violence against women more seriously IMO.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...or-to-follow-him/story-fnii5smp-1226744738217

Man Jailed For Stabbing Wife, by Shannon Deery, News Ltd, October 22, 2013.
The tragic case is the latest in a string of horrific domestic violence cases that have forced police to declare family violence one of the most significant law-and-order problems...McPhee admitted he had become enraged because his wife had wanted a trial separation..."I grabbed a knife and walked over and stabbed her. I just snapped," he later told a psychologist...

Justice Curtain said:Any sentence imposed must not only serve to punish you, but act in denunciation of your conduct...so that spouses and partners will know that the law recognises and upholds the sanctity of life. "The killing of one partner by another, even in circumstances such as these, is totally unacceptable."

 

[marlywings]

Just letting you all know the posts about the NSW fires have been moved on over to the following thread which was set up last week.

NSW - Worst bushfire days in years

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