Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #47

[marlywings]

When as a passenger in a vehicle driven over the bridge I have noticed Allison's memorial stone ....... could someone please post what wording is on the plaque? The area where it is erected is very tidy and one can't help but notice the respect that seems to emanate from it.

Perhaps one of the locals may have taken a photo of the memorial & would like to post it?? I don't think there's been any further reports about it since the stone was placed...it mentioned her family would be adding a plaque to it at some stage.

http://www.qt.com.au/news/stone-placed-for-allison-baden-clay/1940332/

 

[Liadan]

Was it Toni's scratches/screams that night? After a showdown at or near the family home and did innocent Allison go outside & suffer the brunt. Remember TM had left her husband ready & waiting.....demanding, demanding answers....wanting....A PRESSURE COOKER READY TO BLOW!

Indeed, TGY, I wondered the same thing about the screams. But TM and GBC were not likely to meet at the Brookfield house (where the screams emanated) particularly when Allison was in close proximity at the Hairdresser. TM and GBC probably hooked up at one of the sale properties - TM had said that she had only been to the blue Brookfield road residence once (I think).

TM was totally lost without GBC and was always hopeful. Her work and private seemed to be very governed by how well TM was 'looked after' by GBC. When she spoke at the trial - she seemed intent on waiting for him to extricate himself from his marriage.

Given that nothing GBC says is the straight truth - he embellishes most everything I don't think we will get much 'truth' from his sessions with the counselor. He would have likely played the loving husband who had a wife struggling with the demons of depression and TM bless her cotton socks was simply a dalliance at a low time.

One thing that I find interesting though is that it seems that Allison and GBC went to a few different marriage advisors and they settled on ‘this’ one. Why? Was this really one Allison liked and felt she could relate too or was it that GBC didn’t mind having a private session with all the attention.

 

[they'll get you]

I'm in two minds if the marriage was already being dissolved. Reasons being the marriage councillor, TM' pressure, I'm remembering Allison's diary notes and especially her home-I'm thinking Allison had already 'emotionally' left due to it being unkempt.
So, was it close to 'D Day' that Allison was planning to change her insurance & super beneficiaries & had she seen solicitors ready for divorce. I'm imagining the poor girl had had enough.
Was it Gerard not wanting to see Allison leave? He was attending counselling or was it all a scam to hold off for the money. He told TM he couldn't afford a divorce (*****)!
This is something I came across today & if violence/control was apart of this marriage it could be relevant......remember the bruising on Allison's legs?
Separation Assault I understand this.

"Could you imagine, after having endured countless verbal or physical attacks from an abusive partner, finally getting up the courage and strength to leave them, only to find out that the nightmare isn’t over? In fact, just the opposite — the violence is increasing and intensifying?
This very real and extremely dangerous phenomenon is called Separation Assault. Abusers, who perceive that their victim is getting away from them, become more determined and more aggressive to make sure that “If I can’t have them, no one will!”

http://blog.drphil.com/2010/10/26/wh...r-isnt-enough/
add $1,000,000 payday makes perfect sense

 

[LadyBird1]

I've seen "that" question asked numerous times, both on WS as well as other sites.

My thoughts on it...from the time Allison was reported missing, police worked in tandem with the media. They needed to get the word out to the public as they were desperate to find an alive Allison as they'd had indications that something wasn't quite right in the Baden Clay household -(scratches on GBC's face). But as time wore on that hope started to fade & they began looking at it as a possible homicide investigation. However, she still needed to be found.

The police work with the media was successful, 100's of members of the public became involved & wanted to see dear Allison brought home to her babies & family.

As time went on, more & more folks became interested in Allison's case & it kind of snowballed from there. Allison's very first thread on WS was started the day she was reported missing plus facebook pages were setup.

When you look at news reports, especially on sites such as Courier Mail, they have a section titled "most viewed". These are the stories majority of folks are reading & wanting to know more about.So of course the media is going to go with the stories that are gaining the most attention. Reports on Allison's case were predominately at the top of "most viewed" list.

Every now & then I read of the media being chastised for highlighting certain cases while other cases have very little coverage. It's the cases the public are interested in which keeps them at the top of the media list. Throughout WS there are 100's of cases of missing people, some members choose to follow certain cases, others receive very little attention at all.

There's also the fact, police will only release information which they want the public to know about. There will always be info or certain details they choose to keep to themselves so as not to hamper their investigations or tip off any persons of interest. So in some cases there will be next to no news that is able to be reported by media....therefore there is nothing for the public to read.

All up, it would be simply fantastic if all cases received the same amount of coverage but unfortunately, realistically, that just won't happen.

I am a little curious, trying to be respectful at the same time;
I recognize that we are drawn here by different reasons:
I do wonder our each and every reason for being here.
Some might be local. Some know a narcissist intimately, (and the narcissist tricks) personally; Some can pick a liar from a mile off. And some might know the POI or his family. (Unfortunately none of these reasons are strong enough to stand in a Court of Law.)
Personally, I recognized a LIAR during the first "little bit hurt" interview.
Later I recognized the POI as a narcissist.
Later again I recognized the sister of the POI as doing the "sisterly thing."
Also recognized the POI showed no compassion emotion sympathy empathy for the deceased.
Recognized the POI's chief thoughts were about I, MY an ME.
Also recognized some traits of a serial adulterer. Including the "one on the side" believing the lies she is being fed; meaning the marriage is " over and done for", (sob); she was no good, (reasons supplied according to the imagination of the adulterer)

(And all this has nothing to do with a Lockyer Valley spud picker trying to "make it" in the city. Nothing to do with incurring big debt either. Nothing to do with appearing big BC stud either.)

The reason for this post: I am but one person, (not a Brookfield local): It would be interesting to know why others here feel so strongly about this horrible matter.

Must add here; It revolts me to see injustice anywhere. It is a threat to justice everywhere.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
And whilst on that subject:
“The caterpillar does all the work, but the butterfly gets all the publicity.”

Other matter here close to the heart:
The Chamberlin case of the 1980's has weighed heavily on my heart all these whiles. Ordinary people had no manner or means of expressing ordinary thoughts, opinions, or observations on ordinary matters. As a result, chaos and gossip ruled supreme.
I resolved after that, my humble mindset might hold some value.

 

[they'll get you]

Is this why counselling was required?

What you need to consider
If you separate, you and your former partner will need to make some immediate decisions about practical issues about your children and your assets. You may not be able to agree on these thingsbut it can greatly help you and your family if you try to reach a temporary agreement. You can use the facilities of the Family Relationship Centres, if there is one in your area, or other community-based services to reach an agreement. It is a good idea to get legal advice. Some of the things you need to consider are:
where your children live and who will take care of them
how you and your former partner will support yourselves and your children
what, how and when you will tell the children, other family members and friends
who will pay outstanding bills or debts
who will stay in the house
how will the rent or mortgage be paid
what will happen to any joint bank, building society or credit union accounts
what will happen to the house, car, furniture and other property.

http://www.familylawcourts.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/FLC/Home/Separation+and+Divorce/Separation/

 

[Couldbe]

I am a little curious, trying to be respectful at the same time;
I recognize that we are drawn here by different reasons:
I do wonder our each and every reason for being here.
Some might be local. Some know a narcissist intimately, (and the narcissist tricks) personally; Some can pick a liar from a mile off. And some might know the POI or his family. (Unfortunately none of these reasons are strong enough to stand in a Court of Law.)
Personally, I recognized a LIAR during the first "little bit hurt" interview.
Later I recognized the POI as a narcissist.
Later again I recognized the sister of the POI as doing the "sisterly thing."
Also recognized the POI showed no compassion emotion sympathy empathy for the deceased.
Recognized the POI's chief thoughts were about I, MY an ME.
Also recognized some traits of a serial adulterer. Including the "one on the side" believing the lies she is being fed; meaning the marriage is " over and done for", (sob); she was no good, (reasons supplied according to the imagination of the adulterer)

(And all this has nothing to do with a Lockyer Valley spud picker trying to "make it" in the city. Nothing to do with incurring big debt either. Nothing to do with appearing big BC stud either.)

The reason for this post: I am but one person, (not a Brookfield local): It would be interesting to know why others here feel so strongly about this horrible matter.

Must add here; It revolts me to see injustice anywhere. It is a threat to justice everywhere.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
And whilst on that subject:
“The caterpillar does all the work, but the butterfly gets all the publicity.”

Other matter here close to the heart:
The Chamberlin case of the 1980's has weighed heavily on my heart all these whiles. Ordinary people had no manner or means of expressing ordinary thoughts, opinions, or observations on ordinary matters. As a result, chaos and gossip ruled supreme.
I resolved after that, my humble mindset might hold some value.

LadyBird1, It is unlikely that any of us who are sharing our thoughts here on Websleuths hold any evidence that would prove beyond any doubt that GBC is guilty of killing Allison at their home on 19 April 2012; and also charged with improperly interfering with her body at Kholo Creek (where she was eventually found 10 days later).

We on Websleuths have come up with our 'ideas' of what could have occurred for her to have disappeared and her body to be later found ....... based on our observations and our knowledge (existing or learned) about the circumstances surrounding this case.
There are witnesses who have been interviewed by the Detectives, and there could be witnesses who probably don't realise that they 'brushed' with the events of the night of the 19th April.
The timing of the events would no doubt be crucial in the puzzle.

The Detectives obviously believe that they have the pertinent evidence / relevant timing involved in this crime to piece together the puzzle necessary to prove that GBC is guilty of the charge of killing Allison and/or the charge of his improperly interfering with her body at Kholo Creek.
GBC seemed to present his 'alibi' to Police when he said that he had last seen Allison watching the Footy Show when he went to bed around 10 pm / slept soundly / woke around 6 am.
Apart from saying that he thought that she had gone for a walk, he appears not to have offered any other ideas that he had of what had happened to her.
It is unlikely that he would have foreseen what marks, in the way of abrasions to his body, would have been sustained in the struggle/actions during his alleged crime.....he then had to provide explanations for those.

............ so, we have become 'drawn in' for one reason or another ............ firstly, I think that our empathy is with Allison's parents and their little granddaughters; but Allison's plight has really touched us all in many different ways, and we want justice to be delivered for the many reasons that exist.

 

[Sor Juana]

If narcissistic personality disorder is classed a a mental disease/disorder then why isn't used as a defence in court? Well it has.
Blackwell was charged with murder and was due to stand trial; however, that charge was dropped after he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of manslaughter on the ground of diminished responsibility after experts diagnosed him to have narcissistic personality disorder. An episode of narcissistic rage can occur when the narcissist is perceivably being prevented from accomplishing his grandiose fantasies.[2] Blackwell was sentenced to life imprisonment on 29 June 2005. This was the first case in an English court in which narcissistic personality disorder had been found to be a defence to murder.

Good day. In the case of Ariel Castro, Dr. Mark Levy, a forensic psychiatrist who frequently testifies at criminal trials, concluded that Castro was showing classic signs of narcissistic sociopathic behavior. Castro was then sentenced to life in prison without the chance of parole, plus 1,000 years.

 

[possumheart]

Perhaps one of the locals may have taken a photo of the memorial & would like to post it?? I don't think there's been any further reports about it since the stone was placed...it mentioned her family would be adding a plaque to it at some stage.

There is a small photo of Allison above the plaque, the photo where she is glancing to her right. Her eyes look towards the bridge ...

 

[possumheart]

What the heck. Here is the memorial sideways. This photo is doing dodgy things. Note the lovely flowers.

 

[LadyBird1]

What the heck. Here is the memorial sideways. This photo is doing dodgy things. Note the lovely flowers.

I don't care a bit about images sideways or dodgy type stuff.
But I do thank you very much for this photo. Thank-you.
It speaks volumes.
Including "political correctness" for any "In-law type" stuff.
Gee whiz, who-ever was responsible for this inscription was aware of more than one thing:
Words can be deceiving; Allison was certainly a sister in law...... to more than one side of the family.
And whoever was responsible for the wording on this inscription; knew that there were other "family members" who were not necessarily in line with, understanding, caring, empathetic or sympathetic with Allison.

Discretion, and educated acknowledgement appears to be foremost.
Whomsoever is responsible for the wording on this memorial, is Discreet, Caring, Loving, and very much Aware.
Aware both of the Law and of the Seductive nature of the beast that was responsible for Allison's demise.
That Beast appears still in denial.
Thank you again for the photo.

 

[they'll get you]

What the heck. Here is the memorial sideways. This photo is doing dodgy things. Note the lovely flowers.

A massive thank you from us all Poss! :loveyou:

 

[Tishy]

What the heck. Here is the memorial sideways. This photo is doing dodgy things. Note the lovely flowers.

Thank you for this, Poss.
Xx

 

[Couldbe]

Possumheart ...... Thank you so much for providing Allison's memorial message; much appreciated. It must be quite painful for her family and friends to pass by the bridge, but it is such a lovely tribute to a woman who accomplished so much, and who has come to matter to so many of us who never even knew her.

 

[they'll get you]

ANOTHER REMINDER WE ARE STILL HERE FOR YOU ALLISON.

Given the public interest in the case, the trial is set to be one of the most closely watched in the state's history

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/quee...#ixzz2pqGmYREl

This wasn't expected was it GBC.
Freedom IS wonderful.

 

[marlywings]

There is a small photo of Allison above the plaque, the photo where she is glancing to her right. Her eyes look towards the bridge ...

Well done Possum!! Thankyou for doing that!!

"Forever in our Hearts"​

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[emirates1957]

Finished reading this book today. Thanking all for the suggestion. An excellent read.

 

[Makara]

What the heck. Here is the memorial sideways. This photo is doing dodgy things. Note the lovely flowers.

Thank you Possum for both photos of Allison's memorial. Over, under, sideways, down. It doesn't matter. The memorial itself is beautiful and the message is powerful. Someone should send photos of it to GBC care of AGCS.

Arthur Gorrie Correctional Centre
Phone: 07 3212 0411
Fax: 07 3212 0415
3068 Ipswich Road, Wacol QLD 4076
Locked Bag 1300, Sumner Park BC QLD 4074

 

[Kimster]

Thank you Possum! It was like a short trip to Oz in order to remember Allison with my friends. I don't know how I will be able to sleep at night come June, knowing the trial is proceeding during my wee hours.

 

[Couldbe]

Thank you Possum for both photos of Allison's memorial. Over, under, sideways, down. It doesn't matter. The memorial itself is beautiful and the message is powerful. Someone should send photos of it to GBC care of AGCS.

Arthur Gorrie Correctional Centre
Phone: 07 3212 0411
Fax: 07 3212 0415
3068 Ipswich Road, Wacol QLD 4076
Locked Bag 1300, Sumner Park BC QLD 4074

Probably no way that we can know, but if he hadn't asked to see a photo of the plaque or to be supplied with the details .......... it would be strange ...... even if only for him to possibly say: '...see wasn't me!'..........(That's the way it has to be in our system: 'innocent until proven guilty').

 

[Liadan]

Hmm as we lead up to the court case - it will be interesting to think about who will be the main players? (OMG Alioops I am so not able to provide a decent idea of the next stage- being so procedurally law ignorant and if this is going to be counterproductive to the case I will gladly bow out but..... just in terms of preparing for June 10th ) I really think TM will take a thrashing on this case. She is the only other person who had real motive to off Allison - and I feel for her. While she may have entertained the idea that GBC and she would be together she had already proved that she could wait - she probably would be happy with some indication that GBC intended to make things concrete with her in the future.

If OW is called as a witness - what would she say? What about his parents? I mean seriously things were very harmonius between Tm and the elder BC's. Did Allison retreat from the confrontation GBC family can the counselor shed light on this ideal?