Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #47

[alioop]

Baden-Clay back in court ahead of trial

The couple's former family counsellor is expected to give evidence in court for the first time when the hearing resumes on Tuesday.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...t-ahead-of-trial/story-fnihsfrf-1226816968549

This is why tomorrow will be interesting as it's new info. I have no idea what she will say. I am guessing though that there will be no bombshells from her as both defence and prosecution wanted her to give evidence.

 

[they'll get you]

Alioop do you have information that leads you to believe it would be worth my while making the effort to go in tomorrow ? :angel:

Dear wewillgetyou,

Please please do?

From they'll get you.

:floorlaugh: between us both he's been got.

 

[possumheart]

Dear wewillgetyou,

Please please do?

From they'll get you.

:floorlaugh: between us both he's been got.

:giggle: priceless

 

[Liadan]

Dear wewillgetyou,

Please please do?

From they'll get you.

:floorlaugh: between us both he's been got.

hahahaha you are a poet and you so know it!
:skip:

 

[possumheart]

I feel a great amount of compassion for the counsellor. Someone commented that police don't like going to domestic disputes... These counsellors navigate minefields of emotions and this is the saddest outcome. I believe this lady even kidnapped a dog that she thought was depressed and neglected awhile back. I hope that the legal people are gentle with her.
Moo

 

[Strangeworld]

Poss, that was a different psychologist (I think Paula Barrett was the one whose number appeared in Allison's phone - she's a child psych and worked at Pathways). The psych that they were seeing for marriage counselling was Carmel Ritchie.

 

[they'll get you]

I feel a great amount of compassion for the counsellor. Someone commented that police don't like going to domestic disputes... These counsellors navigate minefields of emotions and this is the saddest outcome. I believe this lady even kidnapped a dog that she thought was depressed and neglected awhile back. I hope that the legal people are gentle with her.
Moo

Aww Possy Wow I haven't given that a thought. 'Navigate minefields of emotions and this is the saddest outcome'. You have a caring heart Poss and I realise she may feel she failed in her job but she would never have seen it coming. The counsellors for Lisa Harnum tried to help and still had the saddest outcome.
Maybe that's why she didn't want to testify because she could have suffered severe regrets. Emotional minefields .........

 

[they'll get you]

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...t-ahead-of-trial/story-e6frfku9-1226816968549

Legal argument centred on the admissibility of parts of his evidence, and that of medical experts who assessed scratches and other marks found on Baden-Clay following his wife's disappearance.
The couple's former family counsellor is expected to give evidence in court for the first time when the hearing resumes on Tuesday.

 

[possumheart]

Poss, that was a different psychologist (I think Paula Barrett was the one whose number appeared in Allison's phone - she's a child psych and worked at Pathways). The psych that they were seeing for marriage counselling was Carmel Ritchie.

Thanks for the clarification Strangeworld. :facepalm:

 

[DrWatson]

And I'm still intrigued as to just how GBC is funding his defence. Is this all on Legal Aid, and if so, did he manage to get the team he was after - Peter Shield and Michael Byrne QC?

While I have no wish to deny GBC justice, I'm a tiny bit miffed that he gets to pick and choose his legal team - but at our expense. I can't quite see the average Legal Aid client getting to do that.

Any thoughts, Ali?

Or is this all being paid for by some wealthy donors?

It also begs the question as to exactly WHY Mahoney and Peter Davis jumped ship - was it lack of funds? Was it that they knew they were on a loser? Had their integrity been compromised by something GBC may have said?

 

[LadyBird1]

I didn't detect any "feelings" between GBC and who I presumed to be Allisons relatives. The ladies were wearing yellow ribbons.
He had to sit with his back to the public gallery but they could have seen his profile from where they were sitting. I wasn't there for the wave that BN saw.
He looked good, clean shaven, short hair cut and slim.

Thank you so much Alioop,
....."YELLOW RIBBONS" worn by Allison's relatives.....
Please may someone translate the meaning of the yellow ribbons?
Doubt very much any reference to suicide. Just my opinion.
Another matter, good job there were two witnesses to proceedings today; What one person might miss by the blink of an eye, another might observe.
Back to those yellow ribbons, I keep thinking back to those white ribbons worn at the Simon Gittany trial.
They spoke VOLUMES. Couldn't "PROVE" anything according to rules or Court.
But they were unwritten statements of faith. And knowledge of truth even if that truth could not be proven positively in a Court of Law.

 

[alioop]

I think the yellow ribbons are a way to remember Allison with her favourite colour yellow.

 

[possumheart]

I think the yellow ribbons are a way to remember Allison with her favourite colour yellow.

I read no more than that into it too

 

[missfisher]

Good question! Hard to imagine GBC has got favours to call in. Maybe his parents have re-mortgaged their house? It could be that simple (and tragic).

As to why the first legal team bailed? Definitely crazy, non-paying clients IMHO (possibly with a side order of unmissable guilt). I imagine the legal team could deal with crazy - but only if the money was good.

And I'm still intrigued as to just how GBC is funding his defence. Is this all on Legal Aid, and if so, did he manage to get the team he was after - Peter Shield and Michael Byrne QC?

While I have no wish to deny GBC justice, I'm a tiny bit miffed that he gets to pick and choose his legal team - but at our expense. I can't quite see the average Legal Aid client getting to do that.

Any thoughts, Ali?

Or is this all being paid for by some wealthy donors?

It also begs the question as to exactly WHY Mahoney and Peter Davis jumped ship - was it lack of funds? Was it that they knew they were on a loser? Had their integrity been compromised by something GBC may have said?

 

[alioop]

And I'm still intrigued as to just how GBC is funding his defence. Is this all on Legal Aid, and if so, did he manage to get the team he was after - Peter Shield and Michael Byrne QC?

While I have no wish to deny GBC justice, I'm a tiny bit miffed that he gets to pick and choose his legal team - but at our expense. I can't quite see the average Legal Aid client getting to do that.

Any thoughts, Ali?

Or is this all being paid for by some wealthy donors?

It also begs the question as to exactly WHY Mahoney and Peter Davis jumped ship - was it lack of funds? Was it that they knew they were on a loser? Had their integrity been compromised by something GBC may have said?

Doc, I am sure his new defence team is funded by legal aid as previously reported in MSM. I also think proper processes would have been followed. Anyone can go to a lawyer that does legal aid work and ask them to apply for funding which I am sure is what happened with GBC.

I think Mahony didn't do legal aid work and his fees were funded by GBC supporters but the money ran out so GBC had to find a new team. Peter Davis does do legal aid work but maybe Mahoney suggested Michael Byrne so they would have a fresh defence team. I don't think it has anything to do with being on a loser or compromised integrity.

 

[Seeking]

And I'm still intrigued as to just how GBC is funding his defence. Is this all on Legal Aid, and if so, did he manage to get the team he was after - Peter Shield and Michael Byrne QC?

While I have no wish to deny GBC justice, I'm a tiny bit miffed that he gets to pick and choose his legal team - but at our expense. I can't quite see the average Legal Aid client getting to do that.

Any thoughts, Ali?

Or is this all being paid for by some wealthy donors?

It also begs the question as to exactly WHY Mahoney and Peter Davis jumped ship - was it lack of funds? Was it that they knew they were on a loser? Had their integrity been compromised by something GBC may have said?

Dr Watson, my understanding of legal aid is that a client can choose a lawyer who then puts an application in to receive legal aid funding on behalf of the client. It would be the lawyers choice whether they were happy to accept a job based on this funding or not. Some lawyers may never do legal aid work, others only some, and then their are the agency's that seem to be purely legal aid. This is based on the experiences of people I know who have used legal aid in my non Qld part of Australia. Alioop, is my understanding correct? I think that sometimes which barrister you get is also dependent on their availability. If they are already committed to cases on certain dates then you need someone else. With legal aid, I think the funding is finite rather than unlimited........ And it seems to cover only what you basically need for a trial whereas if you pay yourself you can perhaps expect more. Like in many professions you will have very dedicated people who will put in many more hours of unpaid work for causes they believe in.

 

[alioop]

Dr Watson, my understanding of legal aid is that a client can choose a lawyer who then puts an application in to receive legal aid funding on behalf of the client. It would be the lawyers choice whether they were happy to accept a job based on this funding or not. Some lawyers may never do legal aid work, others only some, and then their are the agency's that seem to be purely legal aid. This is based on the experiences of people I know who have used legal aid in my non Qld part of Australia. Alioop, is my understanding correct? I think that sometimes which barrister you get is also dependent on their availability. If they are already committed to cases on certain dates then you need someone else. With legal aid, I think the funding is finite rather than unlimited........ And it seems to cover only what you basically need for a trial whereas if you pay yourself you can perhaps expect more. Like in many professions you will have very dedicated people who will put in many more hours of unpaid work for causes they believe in.

Spot on Seeking!

 

[DrWatson]

Thanks Ali and Seeking

I wonder what the new defence team's strategy will be? I'm sure we're all wondering. I really hope they don't try to pull the "suicide stunt" again.

 

[Fuskier]

Baden-Clay back in court ahead of trial

The court heard from the pathologist who carried out Allison Baden-Clay's post-mortem examination.

Legal argument centred on the admissibility of parts of his evidence, and that of medical experts who assessed scratches and other marks found on Baden-Clay following his wife's disappearance.

The couple's former family counsellor is expected to give evidence in court for the first time when the hearing resumes on Tuesday.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...t-ahead-of-trial/story-fnihsfrf-1226816968549

BBM IMHO it is in the defence interests to knock out certain evidence as inadmissible! Let's hope that the DPP ensured that all key evidence remained admissible before the Courts.

 

[Mountain Misst]

I'm with you DW. Let's hope the Zoloft packets are deemed 'not admissable'... (dream on MM)