Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #47

[Liadan]

There is no doubt in my mind that TM knows about 90% more than she is revealing. She had more intimate contact with GBC than Allison, and by intimate I mean she was privy to more goings on in GBC's daily personal life than his wife who he was trying to ignore and avoid.

TM and GBC spoke on the phone and emailed daily for many many months before Allison was murdered- and the day before Allison goes missing GBC is telling TM that is selling the business and leaving his wife - TM is sick that Allison is attending the conference? And we have to assume that these statements that TM has given to the Police wholly encapsulate her knowledge of the crime and the events leading up to Allison's disappearance. An alias, nicknames and lying low - even TM telling GBC 'I guess the next time we talk you will be in jail'. She definitely had GBC's back - she had more than his back but.....

This crime scenario may not be well thought out - but the fact that TM had no part in the physical part of the crime does not mean she wasn't a catalyst and cheer squad for GBC being freed from the shadow of his wife and moving into a new phase with her, TM.

 

[McCoy]

What has always puzzled me is the timing of the text calls

GBC had stated to some people that Allison always went for a walk at 6am. In one interview or was this Olivia he mentioned she would walk up to the nursing home, and sit for a while. So why did he start sending texts at 6.15 and saying he was worried? A 15 min walk wouldn't keep you fit. This would be another interesting item for him to explain. The timing of that whole morning is certainly difficult to explain it is really someone ad-libbing.

Also I drive down that road every morning at 6.15-6.30am. Over the years I recognised every dog walker, jogger, rider, walker and would wave if I knew them personally. I knew Allison vaguely by sight at Brookfield functions but never once saw her walking along that route. However it isn't something I could swear to, she may have been in dark clothes and behind the trees as I went past.

 

[Couldbe]

What has always puzzled me is the timing of the text calls

GBC had stated to some people that Allison always went for a walk at 6am. In one interview or was this Olivia he mentioned she would walk up to the nursing home, and sit for a while. So why did he start sending texts at 6.15 and saying he was worried? A 15 min walk wouldn't keep you fit. This would be another interesting item for him to explain. The timing of that whole morning is certainly difficult to explain it is really someone ad-libbing.

Also I drive down that road every morning at 6.15-6.30am. Over the years I recognised every dog walker, jogger, rider, walker and would wave if I knew them personally. I knew Allison vaguely by sight at Brookfield functions but never once saw her walking along that route. However it isn't something I could swear to, she may have been in dark clothes and behind the trees as I went past.

.. maybe because she wouldn't have wanted you to see her in her 'daggies' McCoy!

 

[Humdinger]

There is no doubt in my mind that TM knows about 90% more than she is revealing. She had more intimate contact with GBC than Allison, and by intimate I mean she was privy to more goings on in GBC's daily personal life than his wife who he was trying to ignore and avoid.

TM and GBC spoke on the phone and emailed daily for many many months before Allison was murdered- and the day before Allison goes missing GBC is telling TM that is selling the business and leaving his wife - TM is sick that Allison is attending the conference? And we have to assume that these statements that TM has given to the Police wholly encapsulate her knowledge of the crime and the events leading up to Allison's disappearance. An alias, nicknames and lying low - even TM telling GBC 'I guess the next time we talk you will be in jail'. She definitely had GBC's back - she had more than his back but.....

This crime scenario may not be well thought out - but the fact that TM had no part in the physical part of the crime does not mean she wasn't a catalyst and cheer squad for GBC being freed from the shadow of his wife and moving into a new phase with her, TM.

Liadan, whEn did TM say about talking in jail? I'm not sure I've heard that before? How very interesting!!

 

[they'll get you]

Who knows how the Prosecution managed to get her as their witness, but she could figure that it is a smart move for her and 'looks better' too.

Couldbe we are thinking alike. Both lawyered up quick smart. I'm trying to find the link of the 'longing looks' TMcH was giving GBC in court but her looks were not returned. Were those looks of 'I'm sorry but I had to tell'.......?? Did she know where Allison's phone was & told the police? PANICK STATIONS & DAMAGE CONTROL.
Possibly the police told her GBC fingered and is blaming her so she arched up and spilled all her guts to save herself.
GBC copped it from all sides that night and lost control but poor Allison got the brunt of it left field.
I actually blame TMcH for the backhanded pushing at someone else's husband, she knew was weak and in looove.
Many expletives come to mind
Speaking of pushing, I'm wondering if GBC owed TMcH money & she wanted it delivered either way. she did sell her marital home and ended up living with her mother & two the children.

 

[Liadan]

Liadan, whEn did TM say about talking in jail? I'm not sure I've heard that before? How very interesting!!

Humdinger - its in her statement:- sorry my memory used poetic licence and TM's direct quote is - next time I see you will be in court (not jail). GBC then says ' no no" and TM says "I love you, stay strong!'


I just cant see her giving up on him and being loyal to a prosecutor when her beau is free to come to her now. Albeit she has seen his philandering - I don't think she is strong enough to stand on her own two feet and GBC knows how to push her buttons.

 

[Couldbe]

Couldbe we are thinking alike. Both lawyered up quick smart. I'm trying to find the link of the 'longing looks' TMcH was giving GBC in court but her looks were not returned. Were those looks of 'I'm sorry but I had to tell'.......?? Did she know where Allison's phone was & told the police? PANICK STATIONS & DAMAGE CONTROL.
Possibly the police told her GBC fingered and is blaming her so she arched up and spilled all her guts to save herself.
GBC copped it from all sides that night and lost control but poor Allison got the brunt of it left field.
I actually blame TMcH for the backhanded pushing at someone else's husband, she knew was weak and in looove.
Many expletives come to mind
Speaking of pushing, I'm wondering if GBC owed TMcH money & she wanted it delivered either way. she did sell her marital home and ended up living with her mother & two the children.

You said They'll get you ........'I'm wondering if GBC owed TMcH money & she wanted it delivered either way.' TMcH hasn't been listed as another person to whom he owes money, and she hasn't intimated that anywhere. Of course, there may have been a loan but it just wasn't recorded anywhere.

It does seem like a lot of the ringing came from TMcH to GBC throughout their relationship, and particularly in the final period of time before Allison's murder. GBC was probably becoming preoccupied with solving his financial woes.

She last saw GBC about a week before his arrest, when the pair met at a block of rental units in Fortitude Valley. This meeting may have been arranged at the suggestion of Detectives, but GBC needed to find out from TMcH what had occurred with her and Detectives.

He told her she should ‘‘fall in love with someone else’’
...... this doesn't sound like someone who has just committed an horrific act on his wife to be with another woman.... then tell her (a week before he was even arrested) to 'fall in love with someone else'.

Six weeks since Allison's body had been found and he hadn't been arrested, he may have thought that he would be in receipt of quite a bit of insurance money and Super funds..... pretty close to making him a millionaire (until he had to repay his debts), and may have become a bit immune to TMcH's demands for a commitment from him (for a date in him leaving Allison and his children); no using his marriage as an excuse any more!

....so did the one and only motivation for 'doing away with Allison' then become revealed as: the receipt of money! ...... not for the love of TMcH. Hopefully TMcH would see it that way too, and doesn't lose sight of it when being questioned.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...-was-doomed-20130318-2g9z5.html#ixzz2soH2jvog

 

[they'll get you]

Only 4 months to go till trial.
10th June
D DAY

 

[Strangeworld]

Only 4 months to go till trial.
10th June
D DAY

Tonight: :HHJP:
Next 4 months: nline:
4 months time: opcorn: :jumping:

 

[Couldbe]

... so how are we feeling? Fairly confident that GBC won't get off?

I am feeling, from all of our thrashing out angles and theories, that there is plenty of evidence to support a case for GBC's deliberate avoidance of telling the truth; in fact there is evidence to support a couple of lies. However, I am still feeling nervous about proving beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty. Faith just remains in the Prosecution being in possession of evidence unknown to us, and which will outweigh the skill of the Defence team.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

You said They'll get you ........'I'm wondering if GBC owed TMcH ................
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He told her she should ‘‘fall in love with someone else’’
...... this doesn't sound like someone who has just committed an horrific act on his wife to be with another woman.... then tell her (a week before he was even arrested) to 'fall in love with someone else'.

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Thank you all for your great posts I have read!

My interpretation to above:
He might have thought: "I'm not worth to be your partner, I have killed my wife and you don't know yet."

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Since the re-start of the liaison GBC had been grilled by 2 women (TMc stated herself, using another expression). At least GBC had to get rid of one, best one with high life insurance.

But it is no excuse for killing poor ABC!

 

[Couldbe]

Since the re-start of the liaison GBC had been grilled by 2 women (TMc stated herself, using another expression). At least GBC had to get rid of one, best one with high life insurance.

But it is no excuse for killing poor ABC!

FromGermany, you have brought a different focus to the discussion. Speaking of 'grilling', there then was another one in the Psychologist who commenced her part too three days before the 19 April. Enough to make him lose it ..... three women all closing in on him. Maybe it would have been beneficial to have an all women legal trial!!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

FromGermany, you have brought a different focus to the discussion. Speaking of 'grilling', there then was another one in the Psychologist who commenced her part too three days before the 19 April. Enough to make him lose it ..... three women all closing in on him. Maybe it would have been beneficial to have an all women legal trial!!

I haven't thought of the psychologist; she had grilled GBC only once. But the other 2 have done every day or every hour, each woman in the belief, that GBC would have chosen for her.

Poor, poor Alison!
For this emotional abuse there should be an extra penalty.

 

[ollijack]

Hi, just needed everyone to know sometimes I cant 'thank' a post,
don't know why very frustrating cause I love all the posts.
LOL important to me that you all know. xxxxx

 

[Strangeworld]

Hi, just needed everyone to know sometimes I cant 'thank' a post,
don't know why very frustrating cause I love all the posts.
LOL important to me that you all know. xxxxx

Ditto! It's driving me crazy! I have to keep refreshing the page, particularly if there is a post I really want to thank. Don't why it doesn't work.

 

[BreakingNews]

You said They'll get you ........'I'm wondering if GBC owed TMcH money & she wanted it delivered either way.' TMcH hasn't been listed as another person to whom he owes money, and she hasn't intimated that anywhere. Of course, there may have been a loan but it just wasn't recorded anywhere.

It does seem like a lot of the ringing came from TMcH to GBC throughout their relationship, and particularly in the final period of time before Allison's murder. GBC was probably becoming preoccupied with solving his financial woes.

She last saw GBC about a week before his arrest, when the pair met at a block of rental units in Fortitude Valley. This meeting may have been arranged at the suggestion of Detectives, but GBC needed to find out from TMcH what had occurred with her and Detectives.

He told her she should ‘‘fall in love with someone else’’
...... this doesn't sound like someone who has just committed an horrific act on his wife to be with another woman.... then tell her (a week before he was even arrested) to 'fall in love with someone else'.

Six weeks since Allison's body had been found and he hadn't been arrested, he may have thought that he would be in receipt of quite a bit of insurance money and Super funds..... pretty close to making him a millionaire (until he had to repay his debts), and may have become a bit immune to TMcH's demands for a commitment from him (for a date in him leaving Allison and his children); no using his marriage as an excuse any more!

....so did the one and only motivation for 'doing away with Allison' then become revealed as: the receipt of money! ...... not for the love of TMcH. Hopefully TMcH would see it that way too, and doesn't lose sight of it when being questioned.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...-was-doomed-20130318-2g9z5.html#ixzz2soH2jvog

Couldbe, yes, it's interesting that TM made a greater percentage of the phone calls. In affairs it is usually the married one making the calls when s/he knows it is safe to talk. Reinforces to me just how demanding/needy TM really was. She just didn't get it, did she? How many times did GBC tell her it was over. I don't think he ever saw himself with her 'forever-happily-ever-after'. I can't see GBC murdering his wife for a female - any female - as he appears to have absolutely no respect and uses them as disposable assets (or liabilities). Money on the other hand, would surely motivate him. He loved money :loveyou: and the power it brings, nearly as much as he loves :loveyou: himself.
:jail:

 

[DrWatson]

Off-topic, but related: I note that Michael Byrne QC, who is GBC's defence barrister, is acting for the prosecution in the Daniel Morcombe case.

They don't seem to be as differentiated here as they are in the USA, do they? Over there - as far as I can gather - there are prosecutors, and defence lawyers, and they rarely swap sides. Perhaps the US members of this forum can either confirm that or correct me if I'm wrong...

We saw the same thing with Peter Davis when he was acting for GBC as his defence barrister - he was also the prosecutor in the Jayant Patel case (which he lost).

Interesting, but I'm not sure if or how it would affect his work in defending GBC.

 

[Couldbe]

It seems too bizarre to me that;-

GBC would just be going through the process of being charged the way that he has;
and, although he has scratches, cuts, etc which resulted from actions associated with Allison's body being found at Kholo bridge;
as he 'knows he is innocent of murder' and there couldn't be 'true evidence to convict him' if it didn't happen by his hand.

Fervently believing that fighting (along with Olivia) for the wheels of justice to turn in his favour, GBC and that SOMEBODY else decided that this would be the most prudent way to handle things;

...... just be 'mum' on what evidence doesn't come to light, and give bizarre answers and act bizarrely in the face of all the usual questioning by the Law and the Media!

Too bizarre! Yes/No ..... snubbing their noses at the Australian legal system (sample of this was Olivia's swanning around in the Court room, and talking to GBC through the glass at the Committal, etc) figure that this is no one else's business but their own (Allison's parents were given only a version of what could have happened).

Purposeful actions, accidental, protecting SOMEONE ..... could be a well thought-through plan of handling the events of that night by the BCs ....... STILL CRIMINAL AND ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.

If this is true, there is no moral fortitude in adopting that optional stance.

JMO

 

[marlywings]

Off-topic, but related: I note that Michael Byrne QC, who is GBC's defence barrister, is acting for the prosecution in the Daniel Morcombe case.

They don't seem to be as differentiated here as they are in the USA, do they? Over there - as far as I can gather - there are prosecutors, and defence lawyers, and they rarely swap sides. Perhaps the US members of this forum can either confirm that or correct me if I'm wrong...

We saw the same thing with Peter Davis when he was acting for GBC as his defence barrister - he was also the prosecutor in the Jayant Patel case (which he lost).

Interesting, but I'm not sure if or how it would affect his work in defending GBC.

I think it's basically because there's not enough prosecutors here.

The whole country needs more judges as well to get the trials moving through a bit quicker.

Government...everything revolves around the almighty $.