Amanda Berry, Gina deJesus & Michelle Knight FOUND! #3

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Now that is weird. Angel claims to basically have done the same things Charles claimed to have done. How is that possible? And none of the two mentions the other one. I'm puzzled.

You're incorrect. Charles stated from the beginning that he saw Angel running across the street and that's when he got up. He has also stated "we" kicked in the door. Charles has a thread on here if you want to discuss it on there. This thread is for Michelle, Amanda and Gina.
 
  • #302
Now that is weird. Angel claims to basically have done the same things Charles claimed to have done. How is that possible? And none of the two mentions the other one. I'm puzzled.

From his very first interview, Charles said "we broke down the door, we did this/that" He has always acknowledged someone else was there. Unlike Angel
 
  • #303
From his very first interview, Charles said "we broke down the door, we did this/that" He has always acknowledged someone else was there. Unlike Angel

According to the article posted above, Charles had nothing to do with helping Amanda escape and did not become involved until Amanda was already freed. If that version is true, why whould Angel acknowledge him? I read another article a few days ago that said the only thing Charles did was make the 911 call.
 
  • #304
According to the article posted above, Charles had nothing to do with helping Amanda escape and did not become involved until Amanda was already freed. If that version is true, why whould Angel acknowledge him? I read another article a few days ago that said the only thing Charles did was make the 911 call.

I simply don't believe that version of events. Angels story has changed as talk of reward has gotten louder. It is very simple, Amanda and LE know who helped and it was LE Cleveland prosecutor who said Ramsay was a key element in one of his pressers. the one in an auditorium where they read the charges, during the Q and A when asked about the reward. That he deserved something
 
  • #305
Hello WS family! I have something to say and hope no one takes offense.

I am saddened to read all the accusations towards the demon's family members about how they should have suspected something suspicious. I grew up with an abusive father and we walked around on eggshells around him. He beat my mom and brother but never laid a hand on me. I have no idea why...how does one figure out what a demented mind is thinking? But I was feisty and opinionated and rebellious and popular and active in school so perhaps he thought better of it,, who knows. But the violence, manipulation,secrecy, I witnessed will always remind me what he is capable of doing. He would disappear on weekends and no one dared question him about it. He dragged my mom down the street with his car when she was 7 mos pregnant with my little sister. I was 15 or 16 and a HS majorette and was practicing in the front yard, so I took off down the street and beat the front of his Nissan with my baton and got my mom's hand unstuck from the door handle. Another time when I was about 9 or 10 he was bullying my mom and things got physical. I was a cowgirl back then and had on my lil western boots, cowgirl hat and my holster with those metal pop guns so I took my gun and whacked him right in the back of the head! He was so angry and wheeled around and took that gun and flung it thru a window...but he never hit me...I just stood there and stubbornly stared back at him. My brother would have paid dearly for doing such a thing! Back then, domestic violence was shameful and we never talked about it outside or inside the home, FWIW. No neighbors got involved. It's funny how one is conditioned by one's environment and goes along with what is taught. I have no way of knowing what my father was up to when he disappeared for days, I was a kid just doing my own thing and trying to survive in terrible circumstances. Thinking back, I wouldn't be surprised at this present stage in my life if I learned that he committed crimes during those absences after following cases on WS for so long.

People loved my dad! He was funny, (I have his sense of humor) well liked, bought 3 busses, along with band boosters, for our marching band and drove us on band trips but others never saw his dark side. I just hope everyone can give this Castro family a break until more information is released. Psychopaths and sociopaths are like puppeteers and manipulate everyone around them. And they always have an answer for every question. (I speak of my dad in past tense as I haven't spoken with him in over 20 years)

BTW, this is not a 'pity post', I am a strong and confident woman! :) Just trying to give some insight into dysfunctional family dynamics/DV and why members of the Castro family may not have known about his evil doings. (slinks out on eggshells).....<3

wm
 
  • #306
I simply don't believe that version of events. Angels story has changed as talk of reward has gotten louder. It is very simple, Amanda and LE know who helped and it was LE Cleveland prosecutor who said Ramsay was a key element in one of his pressers. the one in an auditorium where they read the charges, during the Q and A when asked about the reward. That he deserved something

In what ways have you seen Angel's story change? I don't know who to believe but it's obvious that one of them is lying. I don't know what Amanda has told LE about the rescue and who was involved. Obviously she didn't know either man by name, she can only tell them that a man kicked in the door and led her across the street to safety - Charles says he's that man, Angel says he is. Who knows? I hope it's not the case, but I'm afraid that Charles is duping the media and the public.
 
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Hello WS family! I have something to say and hope no one takes offense.

I am saddened to read all the accusations towards the demon's family members about how they should have suspected something suspicious. I grew up with an abusive father and we walked around on eggshells around him. He beat my mom and brother but never laid a hand on me. I have no idea why...how does one figure out what a demented mind is thinking? But I was feisty and opinionated and rebellious and popular and active in school so perhaps he thought better of it,, who knows. But the violence, manipulation,secrecy, I witnessed will always remind me what he is capable of doing. He would disappear on weekends and no one dared question him about it. He dragged my mom down the street with his car when she was 7 mos pregnant with my little sister. I was 15 or 16 and a HS majorette and was practicing in the front yard, so I took off down the street and beat the front of his Nissan with my baton and got my mom's hand unstuck from the door handle. Another time when I was about 9 or 10 he was bullying my mom and things got physical. I was a cowgirl back then and had on my lil western boots, cowgirl hat and my holster with those metal pop guns so I took my gun and whacked him right in the back of the head! He was so angry and wheeled around and took that gun and flung it thru a window...but he never hit me...I just stood there and stubbornly stared back at him. My brother would have paid dearly for doing such a thing! Back then, domestic violence was shameful and we never talked about it outside or inside the home, FWIW. No neighbors got involved. It's funny how one is conditioned by one's environment and goes along with what is taught. I have no way of knowing what my father was up to when he disappeared for days, I was a kid just doing my own thing and trying to survive in terrible circumstances. Thinking back, I wouldn't be surprised at this present stage in my life if I learned that he committed crimes during those absences after following cases on WS for so long.

People loved my dad! He was funny, (I have his sense of humor) well liked, bought 3 busses, along with band boosters, for our marching band and drove us on band trips but others never saw his dark side. I just hope everyone can give this Castro family a break until more information is released. Psychopaths and sociopaths are like puppeteers and manipulate everyone around them. And they always have an answer for every question. (I speak of my dad in past tense as I haven't spoken with him in over 20 years)

BTW, this is not a 'pity post', I am a strong and confident woman! :) Just trying to give some insight into dysfunctional family dynamics/DV and why members of the Castro family may not have known about his evil doings. (slinks out on eggshells).....<3

wm

I bet you are a strong and confident woman! That would surely have been quite a sight you in your little cow girl outfit defending your mother so defiantly! :blowkiss:

Yes, I see your point regarding the family. After watching Angie's interview I understood they had no clue. But it's normal I think for us all to have questions, it just seems so crazy he hid this so so long!
 
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very cool: https://www.facebook.com/ClevelandCourageFund


The Cleveland Courage Fund serves to provide immediate, ongoing assistance and facilitate the long-term recovery and healing of Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight, Amanda Berry and her daughter Jocelyn as well as their family members.

Cleveland Courage Fund of the Cleveland Foundation was established by Cleveland City Council members Brian Cummins, Dona Brady and Matt Zone.
 
  • #311
very cool: https://www.facebook.com/ClevelandCourageFund


The Cleveland Courage Fund serves to provide immediate, ongoing assistance and facilitate the long-term recovery and healing of Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight, Amanda Berry and her daughter Jocelyn as well as their family members.

Cleveland Courage Fund of the Cleveland Foundation was established by Cleveland City Council members Brian Cummins, Dona Brady and Matt Zone.

From her special thanks to the fund I think they may have helped her get a place thats safe
 
  • #312
In what ways have you seen Angel's story change? I don't know who to believe but it's obvious that one of them is lying. I don't know what Amanda has told LE about the rescue and who was involved. Obviously she didn't know either man by name, she can only tell them that a man kicked in the door and led her across the street to safety - Charles says he's that man, Angel says he is. Who knows? I hope it's not the case, but I'm afraid that Charles is duping the media and the public.

What Charles said on the 911 call about Amanda's clothing and what Angel said are different. That's one big discrepancy. I truly believe that the talk of reward money is making this situation even uglier than it is already.
 
  • #313
Just heard that Michelle is released from the hospital. Reports are that she will need reconstructive surgery. No word on her whereabouts. On Fox
 
  • #314
What Charles said on the 911 call about Amanda's clothing and what Angel said are different. That's one big discrepancy. I truly believe that the talk of reward money is making this situation even uglier than it is already.

I believe both men described similiar clothing, it was Amanda's condition that was different in their two stories. Still, that is not something that has changed in either man's stories. I'm wondering what it is about Angel's story that has changed. Charles story has changed dramatically - see his thread.
 
  • #315
Legal experts on Fox on how murder charges might be brought against Castro. In Ohio the involuntary, illegal termination of a pregnancy is considered homicide and a capital offense. The analysts also said that the chief evidence would probably be the testimony of Michelle and whatever Amanda and Gina may have also known, seen or heard regarding the pregnancies.
 
  • #316
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/09/us/ohio-cleveland-escape/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Hmm... If it's true that Charles Ramsey arrived on the scene after Amanda had already been rescued, his "hero" status is questionable imo. Plus, his 3 prior arrests for DV don't help either.

What a dark country we live in. Are we no longer able to see the good in a situation? Are we so calloused that we have to hold everyones' life and every situation under a microscope? Who among us can withstand such scrutiny?

We live in a country in which everyone has the oppurtunity to redeem themselves. Everyone makes mistakes. However , mistakes are oppurtuities to learn and grow. I totally hear what Charles Ramsey states that those mistakes from his past made him a better person. Isn't that we ask peopleto do,learn from their mistakes. I refuse to judge a person on their past mistakes but choose to look at their present.


In the words of Maya Angelou "When you know better , you do better"
 
  • #317
Now that is weird. Angel claims to basically have done the same things Charles claimed to have done. How is that possible? And none of the two mentions the other one. I'm puzzled.

I don't think it matters either way, but considering what we've heard from law enforcement I believe Charles and Angel both helped. Charles has said 'we kicked' the door - Charles has said that Angel ran across the street and that he then ran over also...but that Angel sort of froze (paraphrasing) and that maybe he didn't understand her (more like shocked and frightened imo) .. so they both played a part. But I have to wonder what, if anything Angel has been prompted by the 'reward' money or the new found fame of Charles. I don't dispute that Angel was a hero, I'm just saying..
 
  • #318
I believe both men described similiar clothing, it was Amanda's condition that was different in their two stories. Still, that is not something that has changed in either man's stories. I'm wondering what it is about Angel's story that has changed. Charles story has changed dramatically - see his thread.

Angel's story didn't change at all, as far as I can tell. He always maintained he was the one to break the door.
 
  • #319
I don't think it matters either way, but considering what we've heard from law enforcement I believe Charles and Angel both helped. Charles has said 'we kicked' the door - Charles has said that Angel ran across the street and that he then ran over also...but that Angel sort of froze (paraphrasing) and that maybe he didn't understand her (more like shocked and frightened imo) .. so they both played a part. But I have to wonder what, if anything Angel has been prompted by the 'reward' money or the new found fame of Charles. I don't dispute that Angel was a hero, I'm just saying..

Well, there is the difference. Angel has not said anything about freezing, he claims he is the one who broke the door down.
 
  • #320
Just heard that Michelle is released from the hospital. Reports are that she will need reconstructive surgery. No word on her whereabouts. On Fox

That's good news, I'm glad she's out of the hospital. And right now, no one needs to know where she is, the media has had a feeding frenzy on these girls, Michelle needs to be left alone IMO.

I hope she's not alone though, I hope she's got someone with her who she feels close to and trusts right now. JMO
 
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