Amanda Berry, Gina deJesus & Michelle Knight FOUND! #3

[Sparklin]

Well, there is the difference. Angel has not said anything about freezing, he claims he is the one who broke the door down.

I was explaining Charles version - I have only hear Angel speak once and in that interview he didn't say anything about breaking down the door. I wasn't giving a comparison. Sorry if it was taken that way!

 

[What'sThatClue]

Anyone know if there's truth to Michelle's mom hiring a lawyer because she can't see her? I just read it on a celeb gossip site ran by US magazine. Sometimes they're right but they are mostly wrong. It's interesting to see the photo of her mom though...

I saw that too, over at radaronline. Not sure how accurate that site is. Plus, how can an adult be forced to see anyone against her will?
if the mother did, tho, then she's got a lot of gall...or smells $$$.

Jmo

 

[Sparklin]

same link "“I said that if you’re talking to me because of my stepdaughters you should really be talking to Ariel Castro. He has more chance and opportunity than I do,” said Colon. “These girls are best friends with his daughters. (The agents) told me, ‘Well, we have to deal with you. Whatever arises in the case, we’ll take care of that.’” Colon does not know if they ever followed up and questioned Castro.
Agent Torsney, who is now retired from the FBI and living in another state, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. At a press conference Wednesday, FBI Special Agent Stephen Anthony took issue with Colon’s version of events, telling reporters that his agency had "scrubbed" its records on the case and had found no mention of Colon referring to Castro, and had “no reason to believe” he’d made the statement. "

Why "scrub" any records at all in a kidnapping case!

Seems there is a lot of important things that they have 'no reason to believe'. The more statements I hear from others, the more I think the police dropped the ball long ago regardless of how they are handling things now.

 

[kalekona]

I beg to differ. I honestly don't know who did what but Ramsey did say "we kicked the bottom of the door" indicating he didn't do that alone. When did he say Cordero ran back with his tail between his legs? I must have missed that. Since Cordero is capable of doing interviews he shouldn't have any problems voicing his own truth. Regardless Ramsey kicked the door or not, he did make the 911 call being recorded and played many times on TV.

I believe both men did some parts to help and at this point I really don't care who did what. The most importantly thing is that two civilians stepped in to help and release four lives from hell. That, we have something to celebrate!

I haven't heard Charles denying Angel helped but imagine that if he did say that today it could possibly have something to do with being called a liar by the woman in the house and Angel implied Charles was lying.

Fact someone kicked in that door
Fact Charles did place a 911 call
Fact Charles publically shook off the reward
Fact Angel's POV became very public after Charles was praised in the presser.

When I think of being help captive for 11 years my mind goes to the stupidest things- was the only 1 bathroom in the house or more (have seen both) what did they do for female needs? Did he go out a buy things or did they have to make do? What about diapers for the baby? Did they have actual beds or were they forced to sleep on the floor?
See I think of the weirdest things.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Do we know if LE tore up the ground under that elevated front porch at Castro's house? And there's was talks of dogs, so they found the bones of one, where's the rest of them.

 

[PrettyWoman86]

Seems there is a lot of important things that they have 'no reason to believe'. The more statements I hear from others, the more I think the police dropped the ball long ago regardless of how they are handling things now.

Something tells me they dropped the ball in the past as well. I just hope they aren't dropping the ball now, I hope they build a solid case.

 

[carmenugt]

You can not generally sue police for not solving a case. Or they would be sued all the time. Jaycee Dugard case is different because that offender was on parole and should have been monitored. Ariel Castro was not on parole.

The issue would not be solving the case but their lack of appropriate investigation. In not investigating the reports and the lack of writing reports led to the women being held captive for many years. Remember they are a tax-payer service. Therefore , liable to the citizens of the city.
The fact that the same issues exist in the Anthony Sowell case and the city took action and convened a board to investigate THE POLICIES instituted on how the CPD investigates sex cases and missing women , and their promise to make needed CHANGES TO THE CURRENT POLICES AND ACTIONS proves that the City Of Cleveland found issue with their handling of these types of cases with women.
These women definately have a case that also involves their civil liberties.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500690_162-6267476.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500690_162-6267476.html

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/12440728/cpd-changes-how-it-handles-missing-persons-cases
http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/clnd_images/Police/MissingPersons.pdf I did not find the ginas, amandas or michelles names on their missing list

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ohnd-1_11-cv-00079/pdf/USCOURTS-ohnd-1_11-cv-00079-0.pdf

Also, the city of Pittsburgh reviewed their policies as well in response to the handling of the issues surrounding the Sowell case.

 

[carmenugt]

Gina's father responds to the new policies how the city handles missing persons cases

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/1...owell-victims-react-to-the-commissions-report

 

[carmenugt]

Police say "go home" when reporting incident in Anthony Sowell Case



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5225637-504083.html

 

[jjenny]

Police can review policies day in and day out. Doesn't mean victims can get any compensation.
In other cases such as Shawn Hornbeck and Elizabeth Smart, a possibility exists that police could have found them sooner. These victims didn't get compensation.

 

[SilkySifaka]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5225637-504083.html

And that "go home" seems to be what Michelle's family got when they did put ina missing persons report, or her mom did anyway. She also papered the city with posters on her own because LE couldn't bother to be involved.

 

[carmenugt]

Articles and .pdf regarding the handling of missing women/ rapes by CPD in the Anthony Sowell Case. Policy changes by the CIty of Cleveland in regard to missing persons. Follow-up review on the new polices. Report shows progreess lacking in the area of missing persons. Frustration by those in that dept


http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com...lice-to-take-violence-against-women-seriously
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/07/witnesses_in_anthony_sowell_tr.html

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/01/commission_reviewing_missing_p.html

http://media.cleveland.com/metro/other/missingpersonsummary_book_FINAL.pdf
http://media.cleveland.com/pdextra/other/SCCA Unit and Missing Persons 3rd Quarter Report.pdf

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/03/two_years_after_sex_crimes_com.html

 

[kalekona]

The only thing I see LE handling wrong (aside from the missing vs left voluntarily thing that is a judgment call.) is why they didn't interview AC- and I think the fact that Gina's family never suspected him works in LE favor.

I don't believe all the reports about calls about naked women or screaming children.

Did LE miss things? Sure and in 11 years procedures change.

I simply don't see a lawsuit in this case- unless LE was in that house and missed the women.
The times they had contact with AC had nothing to do with the missing women- there was never a cause to search the home- I just don't see negligence here (looking at what we know right now)

 

[Irisha]

Anyone know if there's truth to Michelle's mom hiring a lawyer because she can't see her? I just read it on a celeb gossip site ran by US magazine. Sometimes they're right but they are mostly wrong. It's interesting to see the photo of her mom though...

I read that too. I wouldn't doubt it if the mother has the National Enquirer on speed dial. What does the mother not understand about " Michelle does not want to see you"?

 

[PrettyWoman86]

I'm not familiar with the Sowell case but it appears the kidnappings of Gina, Amanda and Michelle happened before Anthony started killing. I would assume that the police dropped the ball because it was in the same time frame. I believe people called and the calls were not logged or taken seriously.

 

[PrettyWoman86]

The only thing I see LE handling wrong (aside from the missing vs left voluntarily thing that is a judgment call.) is why they didn't interview AC- and I think the fact that Gina's family never suspected him works in LE favor.

I don't believe all the reports about calls about naked women or screaming children.

Did LE miss things? Sure and in 11 years procedures change.

I simply don't see a lawsuit in this case- unless LE was in that house and missed the women.
The times they had contact with AC had nothing to do with the missing women- there was never a cause to search the home- I just don't see negligence here (looking at what we know right now)

Whether Gina's family suspected AC or not, does not work in LE's favor at least IMO. They questioned Arlene's stepfather, I would assume they would think they questioned her bio father as well. Also Gina's family is not LE, so I don't know if I feel safe going on their suspicions alone (no disrepect intended).

Another thing, I don't think LE shares every POI with a victim's family for several reasons. Some children refer to step parents as parents simply. So if Arlene told them I talked to my dad before walking home, given Cleveland's history they may not have bothered to check with both dads.

 

[carmenugt]

Police can review policies day in and day out. Doesn't mean victims can get any compensation.
In other cases such as Shawn Hornbeck and Elizabeth Smart, a possibility exists that police could have found them sooner. These victims didn't get compensation.

I beg to differ. All the women have to prove is prior indifference to similar cases and a violation of a state or federal law.


In this case the Anthony Sowell cases and the outcomes of investigations into the handling of the police reports , meets this demand.
Now the research begins on the violoation of a state or federal law.

Time will tell.

 

[carmenugt]

Whether Gina's family suspected AC or not, does not work in LE's favor at least IMO. They questioned Arlene's stepfather, I would assume they would think they questioned her bio father as well. Also Gina's family is not LE, so I don't know if I feel safe going on their suspicions alone (no disrepect intended).

Another thing, I don't think LE shares every POI with a victim's family for several reasons. Some children refer to step parents as parents simply. So if Arlene told them I talked to my dad before walking home, given Cleveland's history they may not have bothered to check with both dads.

Do you believe the reports of Mr Poindexter and his brother who witnessed the abduction, reported her clothing, her description the location of the abduction (verified by Gina) reported the vehicle nake/model and description of the driver?
The officer never wrote a report.

 

[GetSmart]

When Ramsey said WE kicked door ..I automatically thought it was Amanda and him kicking door ..I do not know why I thought that !! But that is what my minds eye saw .

AAA I just read this in the article ....Ramsey said he then "did what I had to do" to get Berry out of the house. When the door wouldn't open, Ramsey said, he helped her bust out the aluminum bottom so she and her daughter, whom Ramsey said was with her, could break free. After Berry and the little girl were out, Ramsey said, he called 911.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/amanda-ber...rescue-details/story?id=19143927#.UY1uTrXvsdM

 

[carmenugt]

according to calculations from previous message, that it was split 6 ways and minus 35 percent it comes to 27,000 or so...

I am not sure of number of brothers and sisters but I believe it was six.. I know I paid 35% on my inheritence on about the same monies.