Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #15

[Jacie Estes]

Dershowitz: Lots of evidence against Knox

Dershowitz: Lots of evidence against Knox - YouTube

 

[Linda7NJ]

Pretty amusing...Knox's wild ride told thru gifs
http://mobi.perezhilton.com/2014-02...da-knox-murder-on-trial-in-italy#.Uu1qm3i9LCQ

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[otto]

If a person that writes stories (short or long) about murder, rape, or things along those lines has a tendency to commit murder and/or crimes themselves then we should all be very worried. There are numerous authors that write all sorts of things of that nature. Should we just assume that they themselves are capable of the acts that they write about? And if we should assume that, should we then just go ahead and condemn them now?

We have a convicted murderer that wrote a story about the drugging and rape of a woman prior to the murder of a woman on a night when Knox and two other convicted murderers were so high on drugs that they had memory failure. That does not mean that all persons that write about rape are murderers. In this case, the convicted murderer did fantasize about rape in order to write the short story.

 

[otto]

This makes me very sad. She had everything going for her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492893/Foxy-Knoxy-girl-compete-mother-men.html

She did not have a straight forward childhood. Neither did Sollecito or Guede.

 

[Amber29]

You are doing a strawman. I never mentioned the DNA on the jacket.

The police state that there was a visible cut on Rudy's hand when he was arrested. We are trusting the Italian justice system and the evidence they have brought forth, so why would you not trust them on that?

Lack of defensive wounds is not evidence of restraint. One can only speculate that she was restrained, but there is no evidence of physical restraint other than Rudy's DNA on her wrist, as someone claimed.

You claimed there was "little" evidence of Rudy when it was more than just a "little." Your argument revolves around Rudy and speculation but no evidence of Knox and Sollecito actually doing it, which, in my opinion, is crucial if you are going to throw someone in a foreign prison for 25 or 28 years.

BBM the DNA of Rudy on her "wrist" was found on the cuff of her blue jacket. I mention the jacket because the DNA was minimal and people want to discount the bra clasp evidence against RS but mention how RGs was "all over." When 2 instances of his DNA was discovered on items that were left at the crimescene for 46 days, the same as the clasp. Another instance of RG was only his Y-haplo.

I trust what they say about RGs having cuts. I only question how as a lone wolf with cuts on his hands he was able to close doors, lock a door, toss cell phones all with none of his blood on them and supposdly clean up his cuts/MK blood in a bathroom he left no traces in. Only in my theory those knobs, doors, and phones were wiped clean and not by RG the man who left his bloody shoeprints and poo in the toilet. IMO the bathroom wasn't used by RG to clean up. It was used by the person who left her DNA mixed with the victims blood in multiple places.

 

[Linda7NJ]

We have a convicted murderer that wrote a story about the drugging and rape of a woman prior to the murder of a woman on a night when Knox and two other convicted murderers were so high on drugs that they had memory failure. That does not mean that all persons that write about rape are murderers. In this case, the convicted murderer did fantasize about rape in order to write the short story.

Way back in the day ....when I was Knox's age. at the time of the murder...( actually i was much you ger and stopped at age 18) I did my share and then some partaking in smoking certain substances...never once did I ever experience a blackout from it.


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[otto]

You need to read harmony's well researched link 're: the confessions in this case. Its a few pages back.

This case has shades of the WM3 case with the irrational occult theories inducing panic and directly impacting the outcomes of the case. And even that case was locals accused of harming locals. This case has layers of sexism/nationalism/racism/classism, its just a travesty on top of a tragedy. Like WM3 I think some time will have to pass for some of the frenzy to die down before appeals to reason can carry the day.

I don't recall any confessions other than Guede admitting that he was present at the time of the murder. Knox has been convicted of accusing an innocent man of murder, but at no time did she confess to anything.

 

[Jacie Estes]

You need to read harmony's well researched link 're: the confessions in this case. Its a few pages back.

This case has shades of the WM3 case with the irrational occult theories inducing panic and directly impacting the outcomes of the case. And even that case was locals accused of harming locals. This case has layers of sexism/nationalism/racism/classism, its just a travesty on top of a tragedy. Like WM3 I think some time will have to pass for some of the frenzy to die down before appeals to reason can carry the day.

There is a reason Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were found guilty twice. I don't know why it is so hard to understand that these 2 are guilty. As for nationalism, I think that is well shown in some of the reactions here in the US to the 2 guilty verdicts. Is our justice system so far superior to the Italian system? Is the Italian justice system so inferior that 'they' don't know what they are doing?

 

[Linda7NJ]

You need to read harmony's well researched link 're: the confessions in this case. Its a few pages back.

This case has shades of the WM3 case with the irrational occult theories inducing panic and directly impacting the outcomes of the case. And even that case was locals accused of harming locals. This case has layers of sexism/nationalism/racism/classism, its just a travesty on top of a tragedy. Like WM3 I think some time will have to pass for some of the frenzy to die down before appeals to reason can carry the day.

I've read every link provided.




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[Irish_Eyes]

I don't recall any confessions other than Guede admitting that he was present at the time of the murder. Knox has been convicted of accusing an innocent man of murder, but at no time did she confess to anything.

Only if you very narrowly construe confession as confession to murder. At different points she "confessed" that Lumumba was there and that she was there covering her ears. We know the first part was obviously false and coerced, it is reasonable to assume the second part is as well. She said as much in a letter immediately afterwards (BEFORE the police knew that Lumumba had an alibi, btw.) If she was really looking to frame him WHY would she do that?

 

[otto]

Way back in the day ....when I was Knox's age. at the time of the murder...( actually i was much you ger and stopped at age 18) I did my share and then some partaking in smoking certain substances...never once did I ever experience a blackout from it.


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Early reports were that they had wine with dinner, and they smoked pot/hashish throughout the day. I believe it is in Sollecito's diary where he describes their drug use that day. There has been a lot of speculation that harder drugs were used.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Only if you very narrowly construe confession as confession to murder. At different points she "confessed" that Lumumba was there and that she was there covering her ears. We know the first part was obviously false and coerced, it is reasonable to assume the second part is as well. She said as much in a letter immediately afterwards (BEFORE the police knew that Lumumba had an alibi, btw.) If she was really looking to frame him WHY would she do that?

She did what soooo many criminals do...
First ...she denied it, then she attempted to minimize her role, then she pointed to another man..an innocent one. To get off the hook!
To claim her statement had anything even remotely similar to a false confession is just plain wrong. It's manipulative and it's a deliberate twisting of the term "confession"

All IMO

Edited to add...what she did isn't all that dissimilar from a child trying to avoid consequences. It's not some bizarre phenomena that occurs under torture or duress


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[otto]

Only if you very narrowly construe confession as confession to murder. At different points she "confessed" that Lumumba was there and that she was there covering her ears. We know the first part was obviously false and coerced, it is reasonable to assume the second part is as well. She said as much in a letter immediately afterwards (BEFORE the police knew that Lumumba had an alibi, btw.) If she was really looking to frame him WHY would she do that?

How does "I accuse" have to be construed such that it undergoes a metamorphosis and emerges as "I confess"?

 

[Irish_Eyes]

She did what soooo many criminals do...
First ...she denied it, then she attempted to minimize her role, then she pointed to another man..an innocent one. To get off the hook!
To claim her statement had anything even remotely similar to a false confession is just plain wrong. It's manipulative and it's a deliberate twisting of the term "confession"

All IMO


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Yeah, that's pretty off base. They are required to record the interrogation and yet magically crucial points of Amamda's interrogation were not recorded. There are ample reasons to question the actions of the police here. <mod snip>

 

[Linda7NJ]

How does "I accuse" have to be construed such that it undergoes a metamorphosis and emerges as "I confess"?

Lmao!

I remember once when my son ( only child) at around age four tried to convince me the dog did it


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[Amber29]

Meredith, they might not have all been actual stab wounds, as some were superficial. But the prosecution is always making this argument about the 43 injuries

The prosecution talks about 40+ wounds because its true. The false part is adding 43 stab wounds, which I don't think the prosecutor has ever said. The totality of wounds does in fact matter, not just the stab wounds which is the point the prosecutors has made as well as the coroner.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

There is a reason Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were found guilty twice. I don't know why it is so hard to understand that these 2 are guilty. As for nationalism, I think that is well shown in some of the reactions here in the US to the 2 guilty verdicts. Is our justice system so far superior to the Italian system? Is the Italian justice system so inferior that 'they' don't know what they are doing?

I think our justice system is more pro defendant and yes I do prefer that. However my post gave a specific example of the US system clearly having the same susceptibility to sensationalism and fear mongering. Which makes sense as we are all human. I think the nationalistic position comes from those who cant believe that Italian jurisprudence could not possibly be similarly influenced.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Disclaimer:
I don't hate Amanda Knox.
I don't personally know Amanda Knox
I have an opinion on her guilt, in this case, based on the evidence.
I believe in justice for victims. In this case. I believe the only victim is Meredith and Rudy.


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[otto]

Yeah, that's pretty off base. They are required to record the interrogation and yet magically crucial points of Amamda's interrogation were not recorded. There are ample reasons to question the actions of the police here. In any other case we would do so but Amanda-[modsnip]

The statement that was signed after she accused Patrick of murder was not part of the trial evidence, so it doesn't really matter what happened as it is not relevant to the case.

 

[otto]

Lmao!

I remember once when my son ( only child) at around age four tried to convince me the dog did it


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My son, at about the same age, poured juice into the VCR and insisted that it was because the VCR was thirsty.