Amanda Knox New Motivation Report RE: Meredith Kercher Murder #1 *new trial ordered*

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  • #341
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JMO ... BUT IF my roommate, friend or family member had just been MURDERED with whom I was living, the LAST THING on my mind would be my underwear !

Meredith was brutally MURDERED in COLD BLOOD !

In addition to "underwear", there are a number of other things that would be LAST on my mind as well !

I would be frightened, scared, worried, and helping LE find the KILLER ...

BUT Amanda [and Raffaelle] did NOTHING to help LE ... and in addition to that, her behavior was not "normal" for an individual who just had her roommate murdered -- which was testified to by the other two young ladies who lived in the flat with Meredith and Amanda.

Amanda is the one who made the "underwear" an issue ... she thought it was "funny" ... how "CHILLING", considering her "friend" was just murdered !

:moo::moo::moo:
OFGS, you think you would such and such, but truly, unless you have been in the situation, you have no idea what you would do.
It is really too bad that the Italian LE and the tabloids jumped all over this before any facts were known.
:banghead:
 
  • #342
You might buy underwear if you had none and did not feel you wanted or could not return to the apartment where your friend or room mate had just been murdered. You might also buy it if you had not done the washing and were short of the item. If you are 21 you might well buy a thong. If you were sleep deprived, in shock or denial then you might make a silly comment about it whatever had happened.
 
  • #343
Linas, Dog.Gone, and Sherlock:

In his book, Raffaele reveals that his defense asked the pre-trial judges for access to security cameras filming the route from his apartment to the cottage on the night of the murder. The judges denied this request without giving any reason. The request was again submitted to a review panel of three judges who deemed it "irrelevant" what the cameras might have to show.

So, to make this plainly clear: Raf and Amanda maintain that they stayed home all night, the prosecutions alleges they left to murder her roommate, there's security camera footage which would show them going or leaving home, and the courts deemed it "irrelevant" and unnecessary for the defense to see.

My question to you is, if Rafaelle and Amanda left his apartment and went to the cottage shortly after 8:45 the night of the murder, why on earth would they request that footage??? And why deny it to them???

This is much more compelling evidence than someone buying a thong the day after their roommate is murdered.
That is the world upside down. The defense asked for the security footage from across the cottage (showing Amanda arriving there at 9pm) to be removed from the trials, and they succeeded. I doubt there is security footage showing that Raf and Amanda did NOT go to the cottage that night. The defense would certainly have brought it up. That it was never mentioned during the trials is telling enough. The road from Raf's apartment to the cottage is a very small and dark street, ending up at the basketball court from where you go down some steps and cross the street to the cottage. The phones were found at a small rural street outside the city walls. Where are those security cameras supposed to be? There are probably cameras far away from Raf's apartment in the city center and this was just another attempt by the defense to distract the investigation IMO.
Walk from Raffaele's to the basketball court - YouTube

Here is a good example of why there are still people who think they are innocent. It is because 'she is a BEAUTIFUL AMERICAN'. Hilarious.
CNN JVM Solleito - YouTube

Raf lies and lies. He hardly tries to hide his involvement in the murder in his book. Talking about how drug-alcohol cocktails turn girls into robots, changes their personality, erases their memory. The book should be called, 'If I Did It...part 2'.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ollecito-tells-all-in-honor-bound-memoir.html

The lovely people at PMF and TMJK have translated the Galati appeal, and it can be downloaded at:
http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/2012GalatiCostagliolaAppealUSVersion.pdf
 
  • #344
OFGS, you think you would such and such, but truly, unless you have been in the situation, you have no idea what you would do.
It is really too bad that the Italian LE and the tabloids jumped all over this before any facts were known.
:banghead:


BBM: While I do understand this point, let me say this : Over the past 7 years, I have been in several "life situations" that were totally unexpected and tragic, and through these experiences, I learned a LOT, and I consider myself knowledgable enough to know what I would do IF -- IF I were ever confronted with such a situation ...

Now, while these "tragic situations" did NOT inlcude "murder" -- I do know what it is like to go through life where you are unexpectedly put in situations ... I understand it is NOT the same -- but the "bottom line" is the same ...

As to the Italian LE : they were dealing with 2 people who repeatedly changed their "stories" and "alibis" -- Amanda and Raffaelle ... NO one else interviewed changed their story and/or alibi ...

Therefore, LE had to follow the "changes" in AK and RS's "stories" ... this is NOT the fault of LE -- LE had to verify these "changes" in their stories as AK and RS were sending LE on a "wild goose chase" ... it's LE's job to verify every allegation made and that is what LE was doing : their JOB.

As to the "tabloids", I do NOT read the tabloids, and read only the documents that have been translated from Italian into English by reputable sources ...

JMO and MOO ...
 
  • #345
The figures seen crossing the road around 9 pm is almost certainly Meredith. She left her friend Sophie a few minutes before 9 pm and headed home on her own. That video was shown at the trial, it wasn't suppressed by the defense.

There are several odd things about this video. In the early days of this case, the police claimed they had a clear video image of Amanda going to the cottage. As you can see from this video frame, that can't be true.
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There was also a dispute about the timing. The prosecution claimed the clock on the video was 10 minutes ahead of the actual time. The defense proved during the trail that it was actually about 10 minutes behind. Oddly, the video released to the press had the timestamp cropped out.

Perugia restricts auto traffic in the center part of town and enforces this with video cameras. A couple of shops in the area also had security cameras. The defense requested this video but the prosecutors ignored the request.
 
  • #346
Linas, Dog.Gone, and Sherlock:

So, to make this plainly clear: Raf and Amanda maintain that they stayed home all night, the prosecutions alleges they left to murder her roommate, there's security camera footage which would show them going or leaving home, and the courts deemed it "irrelevant" and unnecessary for the defense to see.

My question to you is, if Rafaelle and Amanda left his apartment and went to the cottage shortly after 8:45 the night of the murder, why on earth would they request that footage??? And why deny it to them???


Snipped and BBM: A few other thoughts came to mind when I read this post :

In their FIRST interview with LE, AK and RS claim they were "wandering around town and then went to a "party" ... so IF they were "wandering around" as they claim, their defense would have asked them WHERE they "wandered" around the town and sought any possible video footage elsewhere in town ... there was no footage of them "wandering around the town" ...

Also, there was NO party as they had NO people to alibi this ... and which LE further proved when they obtained Raf's cell phone records as there was no "movement" according to the cell phone records ...

Then, Raf claimed he was watching a movie on his computer after 9:00 pm that evening, which computer records clearly dispute as it was proven that he had watched this movie much earlier in the evening ...

Interesting that the computer was turned ON at 5:30 am, which both AK and RS "claim" they were still "sleeping" at that time ...

The video footage, the cell phone records, the computer evidence :

Hopefully, ALL of 3 these issues will be addressed by the Supreme Court of Italy in March as it is clear that the appellate court totally ignored this important evidence in its decision ...

JMO and MOO ...
 
  • #347
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/18/amanda-knox-s-ex-raffaele-sollecito-tells-all-in-honor-bound-memoir.html[/url]

The lovely people at PMF and TMJK have translated the Galati appeal, and it can be downloaded at:
http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/2012GalatiCostagliolaAppealUSVersion.pdf


Snipped :

I am going to have to go to the local B&N and read it for free -- LOL !

I think Raf's book is going to "backfire" on him -- and Amanda -- big time !


I have not read the Appeal, however I have read about it at TJMK, which is excellent !

:please: for TRUE Justice for Meredith ...
 
  • #348
Actually, lots of people changed their stories during this case. For example, the shopkeeper that was shown pictures of Amanda and Raffaele shortly after the crime and asked if they had been into his shop in the days after the murder. The shopkeeper said he recognized the couple, but they had not visited his store during that period. A year later he was saying that Amanda came into his store the morning after the murder.

Amanda gave a different and very confused account of what happened during and shortly after an all night tag team interrogation session. She entered that interrogation in a sleep deprived state. Having had only a few hours sleep in the days since the murder. With that exception, she has told a consistent story. One backed up by other evidence.

The key to this case is the timeline. A witness talked to Amanda at Raffaele's apartment at 8:45 pm the evening of the murder. Raffaele's home computer shows the video file (Amalie) being stopped at 9:10 pm and another (Naruto, a 23 minutes short feature) being started at 9:26 pm.

We know that Meredith arrived home just after 9 pm, while the couple were watching videos. Rudy Guede has said he arrived at the cottage before this time. The autopsy results indicate that Meredith almost certainly died shortly after arriving home. The meal she started eating at 6:30 had not even started to move from her stomach. Normally this happens in less than 3 hours. Around 10 pm, someone else was playing with Meredith's phone. At 10:30 pm, a car broke down directly across from the cottage. A mechanic showed up at 11 and got the car running again. But all during this time the cottage was dark and quiet. Meredith had died earlier at the hands of Rudy Guede. A man with a history of breaking and entering who had no legitimate reason to be at the cottage that night.
 
  • #349
That is the world upside down. The defense asked for the security footage from across the cottage (showing Amanda arriving there at 9pm) to be removed from the trials, and they succeeded.

The tabloids printed that the CCTV footage was Amanda. Probably via a leak from the police or prosecution. By the time it got to trial the police were claiming it was probably Meredith, not Amanda. Pretty sure we went over this a while back on here, but the tabloid lies keep popping up nonetheless.

I doubt there is security footage showing that Raf and Amanda did NOT go to the cottage that night. The defense would certainly have brought it up. That it was never mentioned during the trials is telling enough.

Perhaps you didn't understand. It wasn't brought up at trial because the defense was denied access to the footage. Justice isn't served by putting one's head in the sand, which the prosecution not only did by not releasing their raw data from the DNA analysis the first trial, not recording the interrogations, but also by not testing a purported semen stain on Meredith's pillow.

The road from Raf's apartment to the cottage is a very small and dark street, ending up at the basketball court from where you go down some steps and cross the street to the cottage. The phones were found at a small rural street outside the city walls. Where are those security cameras supposed to be? There are probably cameras far away from Raf's apartment in the city center and this was just another attempt by the defense to distract the investigation IMO.
Walk from Raffaele's to the basketball court - YouTube

There are cameras on Corso Garbaldi. No one said you would see their entire walk, but most likely Amanda and Raf leaving or going back to his place. Anyhow, the response from the courts was not that the cameras wouldn't have picked them up, but that it was simply irrelevant. The implication being that there was enough evidence in their minds to prove that he was at the cottage that night, and therefore whatever the cameras showed didn't matter. Only someone who has made up their mind already would say that the footage is irrelevant.

Here is a good example of why there are still people who think they are innocent. It is because 'she is a BEAUTIFUL AMERICAN'. Hilarious.
CNN JVM Solleito - YouTube

Can you quote the part where someone says they're innocent because Amanda is "beautiful"? No.

Raf lies and lies. He hardly tries to hide his involvement in the murder in his book. Talking about how drug-alcohol cocktails turn girls into robots, changes their personality, erases their memory. The book should be called, 'If I Did It...part 2'.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ollecito-tells-all-in-honor-bound-memoir.html

Obviously you haven't read the book. For all the claims from the pro-guilt side wanting him to answer questions, it's ironic that most will probably not read his book. What the above example has to do with anything is beyond me.

The lovely people at PMF and TMJK have translated the Galati appeal, and it can be downloaded at:
http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/2012GalatiCostagliolaAppealUSVersion.pdf

Do you think the appeal will be successful?
 
  • #350
The tabloids printed that the CCTV footage was Amanda. Probably via a leak from the police or prosecution. By the time it got to trial the police were claiming it was probably Meredith, not Amanda. Pretty sure we went over this a while back on here, but the tabloid lies keep popping up nonetheless.
We went over everything, and I am still pretty sure that blue jeans don't reflect as white clothes on CCTV ;)
Perhaps you didn't understand. It wasn't brought up at trial because the defense was denied access to the footage. Justice isn't served by putting one's head in the sand, which the prosecution not only did by not releasing their raw data from the DNA analysis the first trial, not recording the interrogations, but also by not testing a purported semen stain on Meredith's pillow.

There are cameras on Corso Garbaldi. No one said you would see their entire walk, but most likely Amanda and Raf leaving or going back to his place. Anyhow, the response from the courts was not that the cameras wouldn't have picked them up, but that it was simply irrelevant. The implication being that there was enough evidence in their minds to prove that he was at the cottage that night, and therefore whatever the cameras showed didn't matter. Only someone who has made up their mind already would say that the footage is irrelevant.
I understand just fine. The defense was allowed to put in requests during the trials (like they did with the stain on the pillow). Had their been any footage they would have certainly brought it up.
Can you quote the part where someone says they're innocent because Amanda is "beautiful"? No.
See the video.
Obviously you haven't read the book. For all the claims from the pro-guilt side wanting him to answer questions, it's ironic that most will probably not read his book. What the above example has to do with anything is beyond me.
Why would the 'innocent' Raffaelle even describe such an event? It is far more likely that a drug-alcohol cocktail affected their memory than a joint they smoked in the afternoon. Who is the one providing links and quotes here? Where is the detailed description of Raf's alibi #5? And it isn't like he didn't have any help to reconstruct the night. He had lots of help.

Alibi #1 - We went to a party.
- False. They didn't go to a party that night.
Alibi #2 - We were watching a movie during the night.
- False. After checking computer logs, investigators found out that this movie was watched earlier in the evening.
Alibi #3 - I was on the phone with my father during the time of the murder (11pm).
- False. After checking phone records, investigators found out that this call was much earlier in the evening (8:40pm).
Alibi #4 - I was browsing the internet during the time of the murder.
- False. Logs from his ISP showed no activity.
Alibi #5 - The new one from the book. I don't really remember because of that joint I smoked the afternoon but I surely would have remembered the doorbell.
- False. JMO :)
Do you think the appeal will be successful?
I don't know because I don't know exactly what powers were at work during the previous Appeal. The Galati appeal document describes all the errors and more importantly the illegality of the Appeal Court decisions. It is an embarrassing read for the appeal judges since almost everything they did was completely illogical and often illegal. One example is that they did find more DNA on the kitchen knife but they put no importance to it and refused to further test it. That by itself could already be a reason to declare the whole Appeal trial illegal. All JMO.
 
  • #351
Snipped :

I am going to have to go to the local B&N and read it for free -- LOL !

I think Raf's book is going to "backfire" on him -- and Amanda -- big time !

I have not read the Appeal, however I have read about it at TJMK, which is excellent !

:please: for TRUE Justice for Meredith ...
It has already backfired as Raffaele has claimed that his own family (who believe Amanda was involved in the murder) tried to make illegal deals with the prosecutors. His lawyers, the prosecutors and his own father all made statements that this isn't true. In other words, his own father now claims his son is a liar.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...anda-Knoxs-ex-boyfriend-was-offered-deal.html
 
  • #352
It has already backfired as Raffaele has claimed that his own family (who believe Amanda was involved in the murder) tried to make illegal deals with the prosecutors. His lawyers, the prosecutors and his own father all made statements that this isn't true. In other words, his own father now claims his son is a liar.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...anda-Knoxs-ex-boyfriend-was-offered-deal.html


:seeya: I'm glad to hear this ... and as usual, Raf's father has his "hands full" ...

I find it interesting that Raf, who was fairly "quiet" during the trial and appeal when compared to Amanda, is now the one "speaking out" and appearing on TV -- oops, make that American TV -- mainly to promote his book ...

AND Amanda is keeping :silenced: while Raf is on the tube here in the U.S. promoting his "story" ...

JMO, but this is a strange turn of events, or is it ? as Amanda was the more vocal one of the pair ...

JMO, but I think Amanda's handlers have told her to stay far away from Raf until AFTER the Appeal, which is slated for March 2013 ...

Otherwise, IF she truly believed in Raf's "innocence", she would be right there at his side and supporting him ... BUT she's NOT ...

:moo:
 
  • #353
We went over everything, and I am still pretty sure that blue jeans don't reflect as white clothes on CCTV ;)

I understand just fine. The defense was allowed to put in requests during the trials (like they did with the stain on the pillow). Had their been any footage they would have certainly brought it up.

See the video.

Why would the 'innocent' Raffaelle even describe such an event? It is far more likely that a drug-alcohol cocktail affected their memory than a joint they smoked in the afternoon. Who is the one providing links and quotes here? Where is the detailed description of Raf's alibi #5? And it isn't like he didn't have any help to reconstruct the night. He had lots of help.

Alibi #1 - We went to a party.
- False. They didn't go to a party that night.
Alibi #2 - We were watching a movie during the night.
- False. After checking computer logs, investigators found out that this movie was watched earlier in the evening.
Alibi #3 - I was on the phone with my father during the time of the murder (11pm).
- False. After checking phone records, investigators found out that this call was much earlier in the evening (8:40pm).
Alibi #4 - I was browsing the internet during the time of the murder.
- False. Logs from his ISP showed no activity.
Alibi #5 - The new one from the book. I don't really remember because of that joint I smoked the afternoon but I surely would have remembered the doorbell.
- False. JMO :)

I don't know because I don't know exactly what powers were at work during the previous Appeal. The Galati appeal document describes all the errors and more importantly the illegality of the Appeal Court decisions. It is an embarrassing read for the appeal judges since almost everything they did was completely illogical and often illegal. One example is that they did find more DNA on the kitchen knife but they put no importance to it and refused to further test it. That by itself could already be a reason to declare the whole Appeal trial illegal. All JMO.

Impossible to have any rational discourse with this argument as all your points are made up. Really, I expected more on this forum. The number of falsehoods is staggering. Good luck with the appeal.
 
  • #354
Snipped and BBM: A few other thoughts came to mind when I read this post :

In their FIRST interview with LE, AK and RS claim they were "wandering around town and then went to a "party" ... so IF they were "wandering around" as they claim, their defense would have asked them WHERE they "wandered" around the town and sought any possible video footage elsewhere in town ... there was no footage of them "wandering around the town" ...

Also, there was NO party as they had NO people to alibi this ... and which LE further proved when they obtained Raf's cell phone records as there was no "movement" according to the cell phone records ...

Then, Raf claimed he was watching a movie on his computer after 9:00 pm that evening, which computer records clearly dispute as it was proven that he had watched this movie much earlier in the evening ...

Interesting that the computer was turned ON at 5:30 am, which both AK and RS "claim" they were still "sleeping" at that time ...

The video footage, the cell phone records, the computer evidence :

Hopefully, ALL of 3 these issues will be addressed by the Supreme Court of Italy in March as it is clear that the appellate court totally ignored this important evidence in its decision ...

JMO and MOO ...

Again, all these facts are... not facts at all. Just talking points from a pro-prosecution blog. I can sere why you think they're guilty if you believe these things. You won't be able to verify or cite any of these points from the motivations reports or trial transcripts, which should give you an indication.
 
  • #355
Transcript of JVM Show 9-21-12:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1209/21/ijvm.01.html


On 9-21-12, Raffaelle Sollecito appeared on the JVM Show.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, the whirlwind romance that turned into a bizarre murder-mystery that riveted the whole world. We`re talking about Amanda Knox, dubbed Foxy Knoxy by the European media. The beautiful American was studying in Italy, and her then-Italian boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, their nine-day fling turned into a four-year prison sentence.

Tonight Raffaele Sollecito is here. Just a few days into their relationship Amanda`s British roommate, Meredith Kercher, was found dead in her bedroom, stabbed 40 times, her throat slashed. Immediately, police began to get suspicious of Amanda Knox and her boyfriend, Raffaele.




:great: Levi Page, a WS member who has been a guest on Tricia's Show, as well as a guest numerous times on various shows on HLN, appeared on the Jane Valez-Mitchell Show on 9-21-12.


LEVI PAGE, CRIME BLOGGER: Well, you know what Jane, I think what`s very telling in this case is that the police had thought that the crime scene was staged because the room was ransacked. The victim, Meredith Kercher`s room was ransacked, objects everywhere.

And the glass that was broken, the glass fell on top of those objects, which means the room was ransacked before the window was broken. Who could have staged the crime scene other than Amanda and her boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito?

I agree with Wendy Murphy. I think there`s a lot of evidence against them.



:cheers:
 
  • #356
A lot of confusion there. Meredith Kercher was not stabbed 40 times. I have no idea where that came from but it's pure invention. She was stabbed a couple times in the neck and bled to death as a result.

The broken window wan't in Meredith's room, it was in Filomena's room. The condition of that room didn't support the claim that a break in was staged. In fact, the appeals court through out a charge of staging a crime scene because "the crime didn't exist".

The appearance of the room is consistent with a burglar throwing a rock through the window and climbing in. The same technique used a couple weeks earlier in another Perugia burglary. A laptop and cell phone stolen during the earlier burglary were found in the possession of Rudy Guede.
 
  • #357
The story of Raf and Amanda being at a party the night of the murder was just a reporter who confused what they did on Oct. 31 with Nov. 1 (the night of the murder). On the night of the murder, Raffaele had promised to drive a friend to the bus station and Amanda was schedules to work. The person who needed a ride canceled and Amanda's boss called to tell her the bar was really quiet and she wasn't needed at work that night.

Raffaele's computer showed that they had watched videos that night. The screensaver log indicated that someone had been interacting with the computer regularly until 6:22 am on Nov. 2.
 
  • #358
The story of Raf and Amanda being at a party the night of the murder was just a reporter who confused what they did on Oct. 31 with Nov. 1 (the night of the murder). On the night of the murder, Raffaele had promised to drive a friend to the bus station and Amanda was schedules to work. The person who needed a ride canceled and Amanda's boss called to tell her the bar was really quiet and she wasn't needed at work that night.

Raffaele's computer showed that they had watched videos that night. The screensaver log indicated that someone had been interacting with the computer regularly until 6:22 am on Nov. 2.


RBBM: This is incorrect : BOTH AK and RS told LE in their initial interview that they were at a party on the night of November 1 ... this was NOT a "mix-up" by a reporter ...

This was the FIRST "story" they told to LE, and their "stories" to LE changed again ... and again ... and again ...


GBBM: This is incorrect : Raf's computer showed that he had watched the movie earlier in the evening, some time between 6:00 and 8:00 pm on November 1 ... there was NO further activity on the computer until the next morning at appx. 6:20 am November 2 ...


I can't wait to hear what the Supreme Court has to say ...
 
  • #359
snipped from : http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...-new-book-to-Seattle-171076521.html?tab=video

Amanda Knox's ex boyfriend brings new book to Seattle

Published: Sep 24, 2012 at 6:25 PM PDT Last Updated: Sep 25, 2012 at 7:39 AM PDT

Sollecito is speaking at Kane Hall on the University of Washington campus Tuesday at 7 p.m. He said Knox will not be there, but she has read the book and was impressed.



So the :clown: circus :jester: continues ...

So where is Amanda ...

Interesting, IMO, that she is no where to be seen near Raf ...

:moo:
 
  • #360
RBBM: This is incorrect : BOTH AK and RS told LE in their initial interview that they were at a party on the night of November 1 ... this was NOT a "mix-up" by a reporter ...

This was the FIRST "story" they told to LE, and their "stories" to LE changed again ... and again ... and again ...

ILE has never released any information about their interrogations prior to November 5th so there is no way you can state this. Raf's story about the party is from the night before the murder and there has never been any indication that Amanda ever told Police she was anywhere but home until her unrecorded, coerced (lawyer denied, statement written in Italian legalese, self-implicating) interrogation November 5th.

GBBM: This is incorrect : Raf's computer showed that he had watched the movie earlier in the evening, some time between 6:00 and 8:00 pm on November 1 ... there was NO further activity on the computer until the next morning at appx. 6:20 am November 2 ...

From the first trial's motivations report:

■ at 18:27:15, VLC was launched to play the multimedia file ‚Amelie.avi‛(referred to
thus for brevity; cf. the 4 headings under 8 in the list)
■ at 21:10:32 the system recorded the last access to the file on the same [film] (cf. the
4 headings under 95).

There are also other interactions with the computer filed in the appeal, but not were not entered into court. Either way, the movie watching was not between 6 and 8 as evidenced above.

I can't wait to hear what the Supreme Court has to say ...

The SC will only determine whether proper legal procedures were followed. They will not investigate/interpret evidence or criticize the jury's decision.
 
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