Amanda Knox New Motivation Report RE: Meredith Kercher Murder #1 *new trial ordered*

[sherlockh]

We're talking about him being asked by the judge if he understood parts of his own letter after it was read by his lawyer, and him not understanding certain words. That's different from him being illiterate.

No, we were talking about Rudy not reading. I thought your 'apparently' referred to his refusal to read.

He refused to speak or read the statement himself. Apparently he was unable to understand all the words written.

Anyway, we can conclude that his refusal to read doesn't really have anything to do with his understanding of his own writings.

 

[sherlockh]

According to you he was "mistaken" when he wrote there was an unidentified Italian man and no Amanda. So he can be mistaken, and he is a liar. There's no doubt about that. Anything he says is going to be self-serving. IMO, his lawyer "helped" him write a letter he could barely comprehend. If he was truly seeking to implicate Amanda and Raf then he should be able to offer a real version of what happened that night, not simply use them as a scapegoat.

He was lying when he said unidentified man. He did identify Amanda before. I agree that whatever he says is self-serving, but lying as a witness at that stage (after his own trial) was not self-serving so that doesn't make any sense. He has never detailed what really happened that night. Neither has Amanda and neither has Raffaele. The reasons are pretty obvious I would think.

 

[Malkmus]

No, we were talking about Rudy not reading. I thought your 'apparently' referred to his refusal to read.

You just quoted my post in which I said he refused to read his own letter and he was unable to understand the meaning of some things he apparently wrote. You latched on to him not reading having to do with being illiterate. Something I never implied.

Anyway, we can conclude that his refusal to read doesn't really have anything to do with his understanding of his own writings.

Telling the judge he didn't know what certain words meant has a lot to do with that.

 

[sherlockh]

You just quoted my post in which I said he refused to read his own letter and he was unable to understand the meaning of some things he apparently wrote. You latched on to him not reading having to do with being illiterate. Something I never implied.

I am glad.

Telling the judge he didn't know what certain words meant has a lot to do with that.

That must be a mistranslation as nowhere in the original testimony I see these words spoken. He confirms (several times) that he wrote the letter. Please provide the source.
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38#p93342

 

[Malkmus]

Really? After all the remarks that I've read here about one of the trial prosecutors, I would have expected that he should be fired. I guess not everything that has been said about him can be true.

And this affects my remark about him seeking to further his career how?

We know Perugia protects its own. The police were given awards too a while back.

 

[Malkmus]

I am glad.

You're glad what?

That must be a mistranslation as nowhere in the original testimony I see these words spoken. He confirms (several times) that he wrote the letter. Please provide the source.
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38#p93342

Yes, of course he said he wrote it. He's not going to say his lawyer came up with it, if that's what happened.

I'll grant you that the judge asking him if he understood what was written, as far as I know, is only from Perugia Shock, and therefore isn't verifiable. So let me iterate that it is my strong opinion that Rudy didn't write that letter. If he did, I would expect him to read it himself, as Amanda and Raf read theirs, and I would also expect the letter to contain actual damning information against them. Instead it offers nothing but a vague accusation that takes the focus of the crime off himself.

The subject matter of the letter is also written in a strange eloquent prose that doesn't reflect his other writings in his diary for example, and reeks of being coached by a lawyer.

 

[otto]

And this affects my remark about him seeking to further his career how?

We know Perugia protects its own. The police were given rewards too a while back.

It doesn't. I don't follow the lives of the prosecutors that are doing a job in a case like this, so I'm surprised to learn that one of the two trial prosecutors was promoted solely on the basis of the murder of Meredith Kercher. I find that somewhat surprising.

What was he promoted from and to?

 

[Malkmus]

It doesn't.

Okay dokey.

I don't follow the lives of the prosecutors that are doing a job in a case like this, so I'm surprised to learn that one of the two trial prosecutors was promoted solely on the basis of the murder of Meredith Kercher. I find that somewhat surprising.

What was he promoted from and to?

I don't remember. But it must be on TJMK or PMF somewhere in the last couple months.

 

[otto]

Okay dokey.



I don't remember. But it must be on TJMK or PMF somewhere in the last couple months.

Thanks ... it sounds like there's really nothing to say that the trial prosecutors were promoted solely on the basis of having tried the Meredith Kercher murder case.

 

[Malkmus]

Thanks ... it sounds like there's really nothing to say that the trial prosecutors were promoted solely on the basis of having tried the Meredith Kercher murder case.

Well, I doubt it was for his work on the monster of florence case.

 

[otto]

I didn't realize that Knox was being sued again for slander. I kind of thought that everything had been abandoned that the the appeal ruling would be affirmed, but it seems that the case is still going strong.

"Griffin: "She tells her parents she broke under stress. In court, she would tell jurors how a police officer struck her from behind, how she was denied water, food, a translator, and how she says under pressure by police she was asked repeatedly to dream up, imagine scenarios for how it could have happened."

No. 1: The police had absolutely no reason to pressure Amanda into fingering Lumumba, who had no connection to Meredith and would have been about the 160,000th person on any list of possible suspects.

No. 2: ... Amanda dropped her claim in court about the police hitting her, her lawyers never filed a complaint about it, and Amanda is currently being sued for slander by the police for ever having made the allegation. ..."

April 3, 2013
Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-04-03.html

 

[sherlockh]

You're glad what?



Yes, of course he said he wrote it. He's not going to say his lawyer came up with it, if that's what happened.

I'll grant you that the judge asking him if he understood what was written, as far as I know, is only from Perugia Shock, and therefore isn't verifiable. So let me iterate that it is my strong opinion that Rudy didn't write that letter. If he did, I would expect him to read it himself, as Amanda and Raf read theirs, and I would also expect the letter to contain actual damning information against them. Instead it offers nothing but a vague accusation that takes the focus of the crime off himself.

The subject matter of the letter is also written in a strange eloquent prose that doesn't reflect his other writings in his diary for example, and reeks of being coached by a lawyer.

Right. Thanks for admitting it is your opinion but I am sick and tired of going through these internet conspiracy theories that are made up out of thin air. I had to look up his original testimony and nowhere does he even refuse to read the letter. Why would he have to read that out loud anyway? It is not like he volunteered to be there. Nowhere does the judge or anyone else ask him if he understands his own letter. Why would he be asked such a rude question? This letter shows the same style he used in his prison diary. There is nothing strange about it. This whole theory stinks of racism and is not based on any actual facts. I am done with this.

Anyone who has a serious interest in the case, and the recent decision by the Supreme Court can read up on the real facts. I recommend this article:
http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...he_defenses_that_was_the_supreme_court_rulin/

 

[otto]

Well, I doubt it was for his work on the monster of florence case.

Without knowing what he was promoted from and what he was promoted to, it's rather difficult to conclude why he was promoted, if in fact he was. Was he promoted because someone retired?

 

[MichaelSmith]

Right. Thanks for admitting it is your opinion but I am sick and tired of going through these internet conspiracy theories that are made up out of thin air. I had to look up his original testimony and nowhere does he even refuse to read the letter. Why would he have to read that out loud anyway? It is not like he volunteered to be there. Nowhere does the judge or anyone else ask him if he understands his own letter. Why would he be asked such a rude question? This letter shows the same style he used in his prison diary. There is nothing strange about it. This whole theory stinks of racism and is not based on any actual facts. I am done with this.

Anyone who has a serious interest in the case, and the recent decision by the Supreme Court can read up on the real facts. I recommend this article:
http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...he_defenses_that_was_the_supreme_court_rulin/

As far as I know it's against WS terms of service to link to conspiracy theory blogs written by anonymous posters. The site you've linked has been labeled a conspiracy theory website in the msm and a recent article in Time suggests the guy who runs it is outright creepy and a stalker who signed off emails to the author "How are the kiddies" and he was keeping watch on her apartment and knew who she had been meeting with in Perugia.

Also the guy who runs it apparently had the police called on him because he had been stalking a girl close to Meredith's age. He is 70 years old.

You might not know this but the poster who wrote the blog you linked believes the cottage was a house with prostitutes working there and Rudy Guede was a client looking for sex who paid with drugs he'd just bought.

It's an insult to the victim that a site like that one exists.

 

[otto]

As far as I know it's against WS terms of service to link to conspiracy theory blogs written by anonymous posters. The site you've linked has been labeled a conspiracy theory website in the msm and a recent article in Time suggests the guy who runs it is outright creepy and a stalker who signed off emails to the author "How are the kiddies" and he was keeping watch on her apartment and knew who she had been meeting with in Perugia.

Also the guy who runs it apparently had the police called on him because he had been stalking a girl close to Meredith's age. He is 70 years old.

You might not know this but the poster who wrote the blog you linked believes the cottage was a house with prostitutes working there and Rudy Guede was a client looking for sex who paid with drugs he'd just bought.

It's an insult to the victim that a site like that one exists.

The Time website opinion is based on comments from Knox's lawyer, Anne Bremner, and wild accusations against the owner of a victim friendly website is a bit like shooting the messenger.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1904571,00.html

Knox's lawyer, Anne Bremner, has a brother that is very vocal on the case as well. It's MSM, but it lacks facts and is not very objective.

"I really have to wonder about the lawyer Alam Dershowitz, who gets quoted frequently on the news, about his legal credentials ... Before you go firing off your mouth about this case, Alan, you should aquaint yourself with the specifics of the law. Anyone hiring you as a counselor would expect that much from you. But maybe years of seeking media attention have tainted you in you search for the truth."

http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2013/04/04/alam-dershowitz-are-you-credentialed/

 

[Malkmus]

He was lying when he said unidentified man. He did identify Amanda before. I agree that whatever he says is self-serving, but lying as a witness at that stage (after his own trial) was not self-serving so that doesn't make any sense. He has never detailed what really happened that night. Neither has Amanda and neither has Raffaele. The reasons are pretty obvious I would think.

Rudy's statements after his trial are self-serving. If he did indeed commit the crime by himself, then getting up on the stand and stating that would open a pandora's box of unknown consequences. The biggest reason, IMO, being that he simply doesn't want to deal with the reality of what he did.

Amanda and Rafaelle not explaining the crime comes down to whether or not you believe they're guilty. To me, since I believe they're innocent, find their story of staying home and eating dinner, watching a movie, etc., to be believable. Obviously you don't believe it since you think they were at the cottage. IIRC you struggled to state even in general terms how you think the two ended up involved in this crime.

 

[Malkmus]

I didn't realize that Knox was being sued again for slander. I kind of thought that everything had been abandoned that the the appeal ruling would be affirmed, but it seems that the case is still going strong.

"Griffin: "She tells her parents she broke under stress. In court, she would tell jurors how a police officer struck her from behind, how she was denied water, food, a translator, and how she says under pressure by police she was asked repeatedly to dream up, imagine scenarios for how it could have happened."

No. 1: The police had absolutely no reason to pressure Amanda into fingering Lumumba, who had no connection to Meredith and would have been about the 160,000th person on any list of possible suspects.

No. 2: ... Amanda dropped her claim in court about the police hitting her, her lawyers never filed a complaint about it, and Amanda is currently being sued for slander by the police for ever having made the allegation. ..."

April 3, 2013
Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-04-03.html

I'm not sure about the slander case tbh. But to state that Lumumba would be the last person the police would ever think of when the majority of the interrogation revolved around their mistranslation of her text to him is terrible logic on her part.

 

[Malkmus]

Right. Thanks for admitting it is your opinion

It was always my opinion. I never said it's a fact Rudy didn't write it, and explained multiple reasons why I think so. Incredulity in thinking a convicted murder would have any reason to lie and pin the crime on two other people is hardly better reasoning.

ETA: From the testimony you linked, the judge tells Rudy he can't change his story:

"in this court you cannot be compelled to make statements that in some way could lead to your claim of responsibility for the crime for which you have been already tried."

but I am sick and tired of going through these internet conspiracy theories that are made up out of thin air. I had to look up his original testimony and nowhere does he even refuse to read the letter. Why would he have to read that out loud anyway? It is not like he volunteered to be there. Nowhere does the judge or anyone else ask him if he understands his own letter. Why would he be asked such a rude question? This letter shows the same style he used in his prison diary. There is nothing strange about it. This whole theory stinks of racism and is not based on any actual facts. I am done with this.

Anyone who has a serious interest in the case, and the recent decision by the Supreme Court can read up on the real facts. I recommend this article:
http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...he_defenses_that_was_the_supreme_court_rulin/

Rudy didn't write the letter, and it's ridiculous to use racism as an argument against other posters. It would be nice if you could link to real news sites. I did you a mutual favor in dropping Perugia Shock as a source.

 

[Malkmus]

I am glad.

That must be a mistranslation as nowhere in the original testimony I see these words spoken. He confirms (several times) that he wrote the letter. Please provide the source.
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38#p93342

Thanks for this, I hadn't seen it in a while. So, yes, no mention of the judge asking him if he understands certain words, a matter I've already dropped.

But I would just like to highlight the last part of this laughable letter for everyone to see.

RUDY'S LETTER IN WHICH HE IS COMPLETELY INNOCENT AND AMANDA AND RAFFAELE ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE:

With regards to myself, I have the serenity and the tranquility of the full ataraxia mind of those who in fairness does not boast this unjust suffering but because in fairness I trust the justice system and the good sense of the Italian people and finally I hope that sooner or later the Judges become aware of my complete innocence in what was a horrible [15] murder of a splendid beautiful girl that was Meredith by Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox. Guede Rudy”.

People actually believe this?

 

[MichaelSmith]

The Time website opinion is based on comments from Knox's lawyer, Anne Bremner, and wild accusations against the owner of a victim friendly website is a bit like shooting the messenger.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1904571,00.html

Knox's lawyer, Anne Bremner, has a brother that is very vocal on the case as well. It's MSM, but it lacks facts and is not very objective.

"I really have to wonder about the lawyer Alam Dershowitz, who gets quoted frequently on the news, about his legal credentials ... Before you go firing off your mouth about this case, Alan, you should aquaint yourself with the specifics of the law. Anyone hiring you as a counselor would expect that much from you. But maybe years of seeking media attention have tainted you in you search for the truth."

http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/index.php/2013/04/04/alam-dershowitz-are-you-credentialed/

No Otto.

I'm talking about this recent Time article showing what an unsavoury character the man is who runs the conspiracy theory blog....tjmk

http://world.time.com/2013/03/29/th...ety-how-they-learned-to-hate-me-too/#comments

After a month in Italy doing reporting, however, I realized that some of the “facts” on Quennell’s website didn’t seem to be in the police record in Italy. I emailed him to ask where he had found out that Knox and Sollecito met police standing outside the murder house with a mop and bucket in hand. That damning incident was nowhere in the record, not even the prosecutor would confirm it, nor had Italy’s Polizia Scientifica ever tested such items, which would surely have offered up some useful DNA evidence, had they been used to clean blood.

Quennell then accused me by email of being on the Knox family payroll, informed me that his sources in Perugia had seen me consorting with Amanda’s mother (I had in fact met with her once, in a public place, by then) and eventually started writing about how he was going to “train his scope” on my apartment in Manhattan, and closing emails with “how are the kiddies?”


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