Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#10

[MichaelSmith]

I don't think those are online but feel free to upload them. Thanks. I am not very impressed with links to groundreport, and I know there was some misreporting in the English press. Either way, the judge is responsible for what happens in the courtroom. Here is Maresca's 'M.O.'.


http://news.sky.com/story/683564/more-than-one-person-attacked-meredith

That article is from 2009. It was at the appeal where he started showing the photographs without warning.

 

[otto]

Other than the lawyer presenting crime scene photos during a criminal trial, has he done anything else wrong?

 

[redheadedgal]

What's going on? All of a sudden a lawyer works for six years without being paid, and his clients are horrified by his actions? Where is this coming from?

i clearly stated "if. for both points.

it has been discussed on several sites (the previously linked ground report for example that includes quotes from those present) how maresca shocked those in the courtroom by showing the photos with no warning.

I don't think those are online but feel free to upload them. Thanks.

cite please? harmony has requested links be used to back up assertions stated as fact. thanks.

 

[otto]

it has been discussed on several sites (the previously linked ground report for example that includes quotes from those present) how maresca shocked those in the courtroom by showing the photos with no warning.

cite please? harmony has requested links be used to back up assertions stated as fact. thanks.

We feel sorry for the people that were shocked to see crime scene photos at a criminal trial. What more can we do? It happens at every criminal trial. Wouldn't it be wiser for people that are shocked by criminal trial evidence to avoid criminal trials?

 

[fran]

REMINDER!!


:tos:

Come on folks. Agree to disagree and move on.
Please stop the personal comments.

tia
fran
:wave:

 

[redheadedgal]

I'd like to know how much of the $4.2 million Knox has given to the fund that she linked on her blog.

again, amanda did not net 4M... and then there's this:

Kercher family won't take a cent from Kox

http://mynorthwest.com/646/566411/Kercher-family-wont-take-a-cent-from-Knox

 

[redheadedgal]

these two articles contain comments by the K family, both refuting any civil suit against amanda. but aren't they suing her for 20+M? call me confused...

But Meredith Kercher's father, John, told the UK newspaper The Sun that the family has no interest in a lawsuit.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Kercher-faimily-to-sue-Amanda-Knox-No-2235172.php

And Knox is also not being sued for $12 million.

"I can assure you that it's absolute nonsense," said Lyle Kercher, the brother of Knox's roommate Meredith Kercher, referring to British tabloid reports that he and his family intended to sue Knox.

"I'm not even sure where these fantastical ideas come from sometimes," he told KING TV in Seattle.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/amanda-knox-family-battling-rumors-news-stories/story?id=14826105

 

[MichaelSmith]

Very good summary of the defence closing arguments here.

AMANDA KNOX AND HER LAWYERS DEMOLISH THE ACCUSATIONS, PART 2

http://wrongfulconvictionnews.com/amanda-knox-and-her-lawyers-demolish-the-accusations-part-2/

As a matter of fact, how can he convict with this evidence? What should he write in the motivations, that they are guilty because of an unconfirmed DNA test? For some DNA that resisted in an unexisting scratch after an unproven washing? Or because Amanda and Raffaele didn’t receive phone calls that night? Or because of the turd in the toilet? Or because “Toto” Curatolo said so? Or because Raffaele went to Santo Domingo? Or because Conti and Vecchiotti are no good and the journalists are corrupted?

It would be the final death blow to Italian law. Would you like to be remembered for that?

more at the link...

 

[redheadedgal]

(snipped by redheadedgal for space)

Graphic photos have been shown to the court before, but behind closed doors. In this case the courtroom wasn't cleared and the photos were run repeatedly for a few minutes. Maresca later apologized for not asking that the room be cleared.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44668677/#.UrOxC04o4iR

The bolded part tells me that he was concerned that at least some would suspect him of trying to shock everyone in the courtroom. Otherwise why would he say those words?

thank you TorisMom003 for finding this...

i knew the assertion that maresca had not gone against the rules of the court was incorrect and had been trying to find a suitably acceptable link myself.

 

[redheadedgal]

otto: I read the comments from people like Michelle Moore (wife of Steve Moore - retired FBI), which have since been deleted, encouraging Knox to stand her ground, to not back down, to not respect the wishes of the family.

aa9511: Otto, so have all of those comments been deleted. Dang, I should have checked it yesterday, but didn't. Do you know if there are any screen-shots, or anywhere I can still see them? TIA.

otto: I kept a few screen shots, but they can't be posted here and I haven't posted them publicly.

redheadedgal: several of michelle moore's comments are still on the blog.

btw, i don't think it was wise for the poster to assert that comments have been removed b/c, since any screenshot cannot be posted here to back up the claim (as per the "rules and etiquette" thread, and harmony's repeated instructions against do so), it cannot therefore be proven that comments were, in fact, removed.

in terms of "court speak", and the rules of this site, it is merely hearsay that anything was removed.

aa9511: But if that person saw a comment with their own eyes, and then later did not see that same comment where he had previously seen it, can I not take that person's word as an eye-witness?

redheadedgal: there are many comments under her blog that support/encourage her decision to "stand her ground" w/ regard to her blog. why delete a few and not all? why delete comments made by your friend and wife of one of your biggest supporters (steve moore)?

aa9511-- today amanda added a comment to her blog stating she only removes spam... which, imo, supports my earlier post ^^ speculating that no comment by michelle moore had been removed. fwiw.

dec 19, 19:11 pm: http://www.amandaknox.com/2013/12/18/with-respect-to-the-kercher-family/#comments

 

[MichaelSmith]

Who exactly was offended by the presentation of crime scene photos during a criminal trial?

Do you think Meredith's mother and family wanted photos of her naked dead body shown to the worlds media by their own attorney of all people? I don't.

 

[SMK]

Really all one needs to look at is the video of the Italian investigators and their behavior and standards (for lack of a better word) when finally retrieving evidence left at the cottage for more than a month to see that things were done poorly. Then to know that the investigators declared case closed before they had even retrieved that important evidence or had it tested tells a lot as well. Some really don't need to read the words of someone else to make up their minds about the evidence, or lack of, against two people accused of a crime. Some can and do look at the evidence, videos and everything else themselves to make up their own minds.

MOO

Well, I didn't mean to imply that anyone was swallowing wholesale the theory of Hendry: Just that he seemed to make a huge difference for many people (once his lone wolf scenario is read, it becomes alive, and it is very difficult to "unsee" it. ) That's all. :seeya:

 

[SMK]

I just wanted to apologize to Otto, and others - as I was the one who began this whole Maresca and the graphic crime scene photos discussion yesterday. Did not mean to cause any infighting.

 

[aa9511]

I'm just listening to this ... no idea whether it's worth listening to.

http://raasnio.com/GenerationWhyPodcast/amanda-knox/

It is very long, but I will try to listen to it in segments. I think it would be worth listening to.

 

[aa9511]

It was a murder trial, not public entertainment. What sort of sideways shift is happening when it seems reasonable to complain that murder scene photos were presented during a murder trial?

Exactly Otto. THe truth of what happened makes people uncomfortable to say the least.

The defense would like to of course, naturally, minimize the true extent of how awful the crime was, because their client is one being suspect of inflicting it. So I would expect that from any defense/defendant.

Ok, but I think we would all be able to discern the motivations/incentives involved there.

 

[aa9511]

I'm just listening to this ... no idea whether it's worth listening to.

http://raasnio.com/GenerationWhyPodcast/amanda-knox/

The way they discuss Meredith's door and Amanda basically telling them, it's ok, Meredith always locks her door, that part is very intereting. As the guys say, the police wanted to open the door to check the entire villa because of the burglary. At this point, the police were already involved, they were already there. SO what is the point, at that point, to basically tell them oh you don't have to bother with that door becaues it's always locked?

Wouldn't she, as someone who lived in that villa, want the police to check everything thoroughly? What if the police left and it was just the friends there, and omigosh, all of a sudden the burglar jumps out from Meredith's bedroom! Agggghhhh. Would she have been willing to stay there in the apartment when everyone had left, knowing there had been a "burglary" and there was still one room in the house unchecked, with the door closed and locked!!

It does not make sense. At all. At all. At all. There is no limit to how many times I can repeat that.

 

[aa9511]

There is a reason that he is asking for 25 million euros. There is not a chance the Kercher's have the type of funds available to them to pay his fees, and we are not even done yet. No matter what the ruling is, it will be appealed.

Then the ONE person that does get press, Amanda herself LINKS to the DONATE page of the KERCHER's, when instead I personally would love to know how much AK and RS supporters may of given.

Their own lawyer shot them in the foot, and most likely himself. Both parents are in poor health, and I dislike when I see a prosecution and or legal representative give them false information.

The Kercher's are not stupid. No one, including their own lawyer, has the right to play on their emotions. It is wrong.

bbm

Why don't we wait to hear the Kerchers' own "version" of this from the Kerchers themselves? I am not going to make any assumptions until I get both sides of the story, right now we have neither, we only have speculations and assumptions by internet posters.

 

[SMK]

The way they discuss Meredith's door and Amanda basically telling them, it's ok, Meredith always locks her door, that part is very intereting. As the guys say, the police wanted to open the door to check the entire villa because of the burglary. At this point, the police were already involved, they were already there. SO what is the point, at that point, to basically tell them oh you don't have to bother with that door becaues it's always locked?

Wouldn't she, as someone who lived in that villa, want the police to check everything thoroughly? What if the police left and it was just the friends there, and omigosh, all of a sudden the burglar jumps out from Meredith's bedroom! Agggghhhh. Would she have been willing to stay there in the apartment when everyone had left, knowing there had been a "burglary" and there was still one room in the house unchecked, with the door closed and locked!!

It does not make sense. At all. At all. At all. There is no limit to how many times I can repeat that.

Right - any feeling that "someone had been in the cottage" would make a locked door suspicious. Suppose this someone is behind this door (perhaps Meredith stayed the night with friends, and this person is now holed up in her bedroom).

 

[MichaelSmith]

The way they discuss Meredith's door and Amanda basically telling them, it's ok, Meredith always locks her door, that part is very intereting. As the guys say, the police wanted to open the door to check the entire villa because of the burglary. At this point, the police were already involved, they were already there. SO what is the point, at that point, to basically tell them oh you don't have to bother with that door becaues it's always locked?

Wouldn't she, as someone who lived in that villa, want the police to check everything thoroughly? What if the police left and it was just the friends there, and omigosh, all of a sudden the burglar jumps out from Meredith's bedroom! Agggghhhh. Would she have been willing to stay there in the apartment when everyone had left, knowing there had been a "burglary" and there was still one room in the house unchecked, with the door closed and locked!!

It does not make sense. At all. At all. At all. There is no limit to how many times I can repeat that.

It certainly doesn't make sense. Why is there hardly any emphasis of this beat up in the transcripts? It's just another one of those things people have latched onto imo that means nothing.....ie, extreme confirmation bias.

Could you use the transcripts to show why this tiny inane detail is of such importance so we can take a look at it?

 

[aa9511]

Please provide the one that he has, since I never stated he has not received any money, just that the Kercher's do not have deep pockets....

The original post strongly suggested that the lawyer was holding them hostage, in effect. That the Kerchers' cannot pay for his fee without getting the settlement money, therefore they are being held hostage by them and cannot terminate the relationship.

We do not have a clue as to what is really going on there. We don't have Maresca speaking out and we don't have the Kerchers' speaking out.

Anything regarding this is thus pure speculation.