Clothes and things on the bed are Filomena's deed. Also, she has a habit of storing things on the floor. It's clear in her testimony - she kept her laptop on the floor, and also the branded handbags that can be seen. So yes, it's conceivable to me the bag that is on the floor had been left there by Filomena.
In her testimony she lists and repeats the elements of the 'chaos' in the room:
The pile of stuff under the wardrobe, the computer that was overturned and covered with glass, glass on the floor
next to the pile of clothes. She never says there was glass on top of the clothes that fell of the shelf.
I attached a detailed photo of the table and the nightstand. Chaotic, isn't it? Staged? I don't think so. Look, there's even the bottle that you mistakenly remembered as lying on the floor. Tricks of the mind...
The trash can is overflowing in the photo. I guess the stagers wanted to make Filomena look messy...:floorlaugh:
Would you argue the stagers placed all the stuff on the tables to make it look messy? What about the bag full of clothes on the floor? Where does it come from? Where were the shoes initially that the stagers staged on the floor? I simply don't see any place for all this stuff anywhere. I know however that Filomena kept things on the floor.
I don't think there was rummaging. I think Guede while stepping into the room got caught in the hanging freely cable and tripped on some stuff that was filling the space on the floor under the window.
Who knows, maybe that unnerved him enough that he had to go to the loo quickly. Michael gave some very compelling sources about such behavior of burglars.
I think it's possible that when the rock hit shutter, the shutter hit the open wardrobe door. There was quite a force, enough to embed pieces of glass in the solid wood after all.
Possibly Guede grabbed the open ardrobe door that was just in his hand's reach when he tripped on Filomena's handbags and shoes that were on the floor.
I believe you're wrong
That's about right.
There's no glass on the things that fell from the shelf. Just look at the photos you attached. Filomena, too, says there was glass
to the right of that pile and on her computer
which was already on the floor when the glass broke.
In other words, the undeniable facts favor my argument. Isn't it a good thing?
Well, I explained it. I hope others do see
:facepalm: What can I say, if my aunt had a mustache, she would be my uncle :seeya:
-yes, a laptop/computer is not an odd thing to keep on a floor in a cramped space. I do not think that makes someone a slob. It's one thing to keep things under a table, especially in a cramped space. There is not that much storgage space for her things, obviously. Why would she waste the whole space underneath her table? That is quite different from a bag right in the middle of her room, from clothes being dumped on the floor all around the wardrobe, from papers lying randomly around which would take 1 second to pick up. Also the bed, so was she spending every night at her boyfriend's place, or else where did she sleep on the bed with all the stuff on it all the time?
-"In her testimony she lists and repeats the elements of the 'chaos' in the room"....yes exactly, she thinks it was chaotic. Why would she not just say, "oh no, actually my room is like that all the time, only the clothes underneath the wardrobe are out of place." Did she say that? It was
her room, not yours and not mine. I am not about to say that I know more about how Filomena normally kept her room than Filomena herself, when I have not ever stepped one foot in it, never seen it, never been close to it, only seen some pics of it, that's all.
These are excerpts from Massei report:
'when she returned to the house, she saw that in her own room, the window was broken and "everything was all over the place..." (p. 40)' p.53
'One last aspect which bears repeating is the presence, noted and checked by several witnesses, of pieces of glass on top of the objects
and clothing in Romanelli's room.' p.53
Filomena said: '"It was really a stupid burglar; not only did he not take anything, the broken glass was actually on top of the things" (p. 41)' p.53
'also the declarations of the assistant Fabio Marsi should be recalled. He declared that he observed "that there were
clothes and other personal items on the floor with
glass on top of them and the rock which, presumably, had broken the window" (p. 127 hearing Feb. 6, 2009);' p.54
And the Massei report makes clear that the photos were taken at a later time than when the witnesses saw Filomena's room, because at that time there was no need to take pictures as it was not a murder investigation and no body had been found yet.
-No, the table does not look staged. The nightstand is probably not, either, but again I am not sure. I believe whoever did it, what they did is dump the clothes on the floor and around, and strew (sp?) around stuff on the floor. I believe they were mainly focusing on the wardrobe and the floor, to make it look like someone was going through stuff. The table is pretty much there, as in you can see everything on the table/nightstand just from looking at it. So what need would a "burglar" have to go through stuff they can already see clearly with their own eyes what all is there? For example, is he going to move the water bottle to see what may be hding
underneath the water bottle?
Another thing is, maybe the stagers did not want to touch things like tables, which would be easier to test for DNA/forensics. Thus they didn't mess with the tables, and perhaps thought they already looked rummaged-through as is, thus no need to do extra stuff to it. And risk deposting fingerprints or other evidence on the tables. I also note the white color of the tables.
-I didn't notice the trash can, I will look again when I hit reply on this post.
-the tables I have already discussed. I believe the rest of the things were probably stored underneath the table. I definately don't think the boots were stored in the way we see them in the pictures. Nor the bag fallen down with stuff coming out of it. Nor the brown purse/bag smack dab in the middle of the room (I guess Filomena thought that is the new thing in interior decorating - leave a purse in the middle of your floor?). Nor the papers. As I've already said, I don't believe the clothes fell out of the wardrobe. Also the stuff on the bed, IMO, looks staged. Clothes on the end of the bed in a clump looks like someone dumped them there from the wardrobe.
-I don't think Guede tripping over would have caused things to land in the positions they did. The brown bag in the middle of the floor, IIRC, isn't tipped over. So the papers flew all the way over next to the bed? And why were there just two papers in that whole "pile o' junk?" I don't think that's what happened, MOO.
-I think that for the clothes to have fallen out, the wardrobe would have had to tip over significantly, thus that it would be going against the force of gravity to move back to it's original standing position. I don't think there was enough to cause such a big rocking motion. I think the wardrobe would have just fallen all the way over. For the clothes to have dumped out, it would mean the wardrobe would have to be sufficiently at an angle. If the clothes were over-stuffed, as you claim, that would actually make it harder for clothes to fall out, because they would be stuffed and thus more stuck inside the shelves. It would actually mean it would take much more force to knock them out. So I don't think anything from the force of the rock on the shutter, or anything else, would have made enough rocking motion for the wardrobe to tip over for clothes to fall out, and then rock back to its original position.
Guede grabbing on to any wardrobe door to "catch himself" would have caused the wardrobe to fall over, IMO.
-Well, IMO, the wardrobe and the physical action of breaking and entering through the window have nothing to do with each other. The physical actions involved, IMO, do not affect the wardrobe.
-Re;Glass on top of things, please see my excerpts from above.
-The physical placement of two things relatively close to each other do not necessarily connect them, so no I don't agree that the "undeniable facts favor (your) argument." In that case, Amanda's room is next to Filomena's, can I say that the "undeniable facts" that their rooms are next to each other means that Amanda killed Meredith? You know, because obviously their rooms are next to each other so I can just connect the two just like that. snap fingers, done.
-The last part with the facepalm and your aunt and uncle....ok. I still do not believe the thud of a rock would have caused the wardrobe to tilt forward enough to throw the clothes off, with a lot of force to knock out over-stuffed clothes, then rock itself back into its place. Instead of just falling over.
