Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#11

[Katody]

No, it is not enough room. I'm sorry. I disagree with you. Completely free part of glass to the right? You make it sound like it is some lonnngg windowsill. That he could somehow use one side of it while perfectly not disturbing the other side. Not to mention, why would Rudy be so careful not to disturb the glass? Was he in on this staging thing with Amanda and RS? Did he want to climb up there, but make it look like it was staged? Hmmmmm....that would be a brand new theory right there that we should really look into..........

It was long enough to place a foot on the side clear of glass. He didn't need to be careful. There is a lot of space. You haven't watched the video presentation apparently.

Whatever. I'm waiting for a sensible explanation from a staging point of view

 

[aa9511]

However you said they were leaving Guede's prints intact on purpose.
Spot cleaning prints that were much bloodier than Guede's in a way that left nothing detectable even by luminol? When you clean you dilute the blood. Wouldn't there be visible with luminol patches of smeared blood? They also managed to clean their own residual prints they made during cleaning ( they had to enter the room to clean there after all, right?) They missed only one in front of the door. Interesting. There are a lot of Guede's prints in the small area between the door and the bed, doesn't look like anything is missing there. They avoided them while cleaning even their own invisible residual prints. Quite a feat.


It looks like a watered down blood drop fell into a perfectly clean bidet.
You said many times that the bathroom should be much more bloody if anyone washed off blood there. Well, you have two people doing this. So they must have staged the blood in the bidet and the sink after thorough clean up, right?



But you do agree the clean up of the floor in the bathroom and removal of Raffaele's footprints trail was perfect? It's strange as cleaning blood from white ceramic surfaces where it is perfectly visible seems much easier.


And they decided to leave her blood they noticed instead of cleaning it up? And after this she paraded with an open wound that wasn't there the day before in full view. Is this correct? Seems risky.

How so, if she called Filomena and told her about the blood? So there was time to clean it but they decided not to.


One last thing. According to Capezzali there were three people running immediately after the scream. Don't you think they should have been prints of three people leading outside? How is it possible they didn't leave blood drops everywhere on the walls and furniture. Just imagine, three people running through cramped corridor and kitchen, without cleaning themselves up, dripping fresh blood. It seems there should be a lot more blood on the way out on all surfaces. Strange.

bbm

Not if two of them came back and cleaned up :facepalm:

 

[aa9511]

Whatever. I'm waiting for a sensible explanation from a staging point of view

I gave you one...one of the inside shutters (I don't know what they're called...the doors on the inside) was partially closed, the glass fell like a sheet because it had nowhere to go inside. If you don't find it sensible, fine.

 

[aa9511]

The reason none of the prosecutors did this is that it cannot be done. The utter mess of an evidence the Perugians procured cannot be shoehorned into any credible scenario. We haven't seen it in the courtroom, we won't see it here or any other forum.

No, no, no, IMO, it's not the evidence that's a problem. Yes, more evidence could have certainly been retrieved, I don't doubt that. But I believe that the evidence they do have is enough. It's a matter of laying it all out clearly for people, in everyday terms, laying out the order, laying out a vision - first this, then this, then this, etc....

 

[Katody]

It's also been stated that Filomena didn't testify about her room being in total disarray and she did. She even said iirc that only a shirt was left on the bed, she described the shutters in detail, and the computer case having been moved before the glass fell because there was glass on it. She is specific about her room in her testimony and has no reason to lie about how she left it, as she is the ONLY person who knows how she kept her room.

She says next to nothing about how he left it. She doesn't remember what she did with the windows, she says she left the computer case on the ground. Glass on it proves the break-in was real, if anything.

 

[aa9511]

I'm sure if there was some disorder it would have been revealed during four years in prison.

Why? Don't you think Amanda would think someone would "tell" on her? In prison, of all places! After all, she discusses in her book how she later realized the phones were bugged, etc.. You don't think she was careful about the way she acted in prison?

 

[aa9511]

You think they threw the rock from the outside?

Yes, they could have, to re-create better how it would have actually happened.

Wouldn't Rudy have had to throw it from the outside too? Or do you think he came in some other way, then threw the rock from the inside?

 

[Katody]

No, no, no, IMO, it's not the evidence that's a problem. Yes, more evidence could have certainly been retrieved, I don't doubt that. But I believe that the evidence they do have is enough. It's a matter of laying it all out clearly for people, in everyday terms, laying out the order, laying out a vision - first this, then this, then this, etc....

Exactly. You will quickly get into contradictions like Curatolo giving the two alibi for the time of the murder and into absurd like the selective "spot cleaning" of the footprints, throwing the rock from the inside, complete lack of any Amanda traces in the room etc.

 

[aa9511]

It was long enough to place a foot on the side clear of glass. He didn't need to be careful. There is a lot of space. You haven't watched the video presentation apparently.

Whatever. I'm waiting for a sensible explanation from a staging point of view

What about his hands? Where would his hands have been? Up in the air? Then he would have fallen and cracked his head on the ground.

 

[Katody]

Yes, they could have, to re-create better how it would have actually happened.

What about the claim that there was no glass under the window? You do away with it?

 

[Katody]

What about his hands? Where would his hands have been? Up in the air? Then he would have fallen and cracked his head on the ground.

He placed both hands on the sill and pushed himself up. Like the guy on video.

 

[aa9511]

Exactly. You will quickly get into contradictions like Curatolo giving the two alibi for the time of the murder and into absurd like the selective "spot cleaning" of the footprints, throwing the rock from the inside, complete lack of any Amanda traces in the room etc.

No, there would not be contradictions. They would have laid it all out clearly. For details they were unsure of, they would have give possibilities of how they could have done such-and-such thing. Everything would be clear.

 

[aa9511]

What about the claim that there was no glass under the window? You do away with it?

I don't know, what difference does it make? I don't get this. Rudy threw it from the outside, so then where's his glass underneath? Or, as I said earlier, do you think Rudy came in some other way, and then he actually staged the window? Wow! New breakthrough!!

Or, I get it....no one came in the house through any way, we do not know what happened to Meredith or who stabbed her. But no one came in through any way.

Or....Rudy and Amanda and RS all 3 stage the window.......

Or, Rudy climbs up through the roof, makes a hole in the roof, comes in that way, then repairs that hole again by patching it up, also putting shingles or whatever they're called back on the outside roof......

Oh, the breakthroughs we are making!

 

[Katody]

I don't know, what difference does it make? I don't get this.

According to the prosecution it means the window was broken from the inside.

 

[aa9511]

He placed both hands on the sill and pushed himself up. Like the guy on video.

Yes, I get it, like those balance beam guys in the Olympics, gymnastics. But then how did he actually get his whole body through the window? I still do not think he would have been able to do it balance-beam style where the point is to have it as narrow as possible.....

 

[Amber29]

However you said they were leaving Guede's prints intact on purpose.
Spot cleaning prints that were much bloodier than Guede's in a way that left nothing detectable even by luminol? When you clean you dilute the blood. Wouldn't there be visible with luminol patches of smeared blood? They also managed to clean their own residual prints they made during cleaning ( they had to enter the room to clean there after all, right?) They missed only one in front of the door. Interesting. There are a lot of Guede's prints in the small area between the door and the bed, doesn't look like anything is missing there. They avoided them while cleaning even their own invisible residual prints. Quite a feat.


It looks like a watered down blood drop fell into a perfectly clean bidet.
You said many times that the bathroom should be much more bloody if anyone washed off blood there. Well, you have two people doing this. So they must have staged the blood in the bidet and the sink after thorough clean up, right?



But you do agree the clean up of the floor in the bathroom and removal of Raffaele's footprints trail was perfect? It's strange as cleaning blood from white ceramic surfaces where it is perfectly visible seems much easier.


And they decided to leave her blood they noticed instead of cleaning it up? And after this she paraded with an open wound that wasn't there the day before in full view. Is this correct? Seems risky.

How so, if she called Filomena and told her about the blood? So there was time to clean it but they decided not to.


One last thing. According to Capezzali there were three people running immediately after the scream. Don't you think they should have been prints of three people leading outside? How is it possible they didn't leave blood drops everywhere on the walls and furniture. Just imagine, three people running through cramped corridor and kitchen, without cleaning themselves up, dripping fresh blood. It seems there should be a lot more blood on the way out on all surfaces. Strange.

I've made my point very clear IMO. I'm sorry you still don't understand.
I don't think they avoided all RGs prints, I don't think there's an abundance of prints between the door and the bed. I think there's gap where he left the room.

I've explained the bidet, I don't believe it's a random drop. I think it's left over water/blood that pooled at the drain and dried that way.
Again I don't think the bathroom was perfect. Maybe they didnt see the blood on the tap or maybe they didn't know if any of the blood was hers, but IMO she knew she was bleeding and covered it in case. Yes I think they knew they hadn't cleaned perfectly and they pointed some stuff out, I don't think Amanda ever thought they would be suspects.

Oh really RG only left bloody shoeprints from one shoe on his way out. No blood on Meredith's outside door, the phones, or the front door finally something we agree on! There absolutely should be more blood, even in a lone wolf scenario.

 

[Katody]

No, there would not be contradictions. They would have laid it all out clearly. For details they were unsure of, they would have give possibilities of how they could have done such-and-such thing. Everything would be clear.

Beautiful dreams. So far you're stuck with Crini's fight over poo and no credible scenario in sight.

 

[aa9511]

According to the prosecution it means the window was broken from the inside.

See my post from above....here I will bring it down for you....

 

[aa9511]

I don't know, what difference does it make? I don't get this. Rudy threw it from the outside, so then where's his glass underneath? Or, as I said earlier, do you think Rudy came in some other way, and then he actually staged the window? Wow! New breakthrough!!

Or, I get it....no one came in the house through any way, we do not know what happened to Meredith or who stabbed her. But no one came in through any way.

Or....Rudy and Amanda and RS all 3 stage the window.......

Or, Rudy climbs up through the roof, makes a hole in the roof, comes in that way, then repairs that hole again by patching it up, also putting shingles or whatever they're called back on the outside roof......

Oh, the breakthroughs we are making!

Here ya go, Katody....

 

[Katody]

Yes, I get it, like those balance beam guys in the Olympics, gymnastics. But then how did he actually get his whole body through the window? I still do not think he would have been able to do it balance-beam style where the point is to have it as narrow as possible.....

Have you watched the video?