Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#11

[Katody]

Oh really RG only left bloody shoeprints from one shoe on his way out. No blood on Meredith's outside door, the phones, or the front door finally something we agree on! There absolutely should be more blood, even in a lone wolf scenario.

So you think they cleaned up the other shoe! Was it something ritualistic? And shouldn't there be blood on the walls and furniture on their way out? Did they clean it all up perfectly?

 

[Katody]

I've made my point very clear IMO. I'm sorry you still don't understand.

No I don't think you explained how a spot clean up of very bloody footprints is performed that leaves no trace detectable by luminol.

 

[whoanellie]

I feel like I am going crazy I said explicitly, that there is NO EVIDENCE of a powder keg, of repressed psychosis, etc. - that it is all speculation and conjecture. I admitted this fully. You act as though I said there is plenty of evidence. A gestalt is just that: something perceived and thus subjective.

Thanks for the clarification. I certainly don't see it the way you do.

 

[Amber29]

So you think they cleaned up the other shoe! Was it something ritualistic? And shouldn't there be blood on the walls and furniture on their way out? Did they clean it all up perfectly?

Have I ever ONCE stated that RG had blood on his right shoe? Again please don't put words in my mouth, this is getting ridiculous! :banghead:

I was making a point that RG managed to leave without getting blood all over the walls and furniture, I don't know why AK/RS can't (according to you) leave without touching everything.

I think there's simply no way to explain no blood on Meredith's outside door and the front door, when according to RG his hands were covered in blood. His journal has been quoted many times in reference to other things he claims. I guess some want to forget he claimed this as well.

 

[Amber29]

No I don't think you explained how a spot clean up of very bloody footprints is performed that leaves no trace detectable by luminol.

I'm done with this conversation and it's not because my mind has been changed. It's because I've answered every question you've asked, that I can keep up with and my words are being continually twisted out of context and my meaning misconstrued.

 

[Katody]

I'm done with this conversation and it's not because my mind has been changed. It's because I've answered every question you've asked, that I can keep up with and my words are being continually twisted out of context and my meaning misconstrued.

IIUC you can't explain how a spot clean up of very bloody footprints was performed that left no trace detectable by luminol. I think it's one of the weakest points of your theory.

 

[Katody]

Have I ever ONCE stated that RG had blood on his right shoe? Again please don't put words in my mouth, this is getting ridiculous! :banghead:

You made a point that there should be more blood even in the lone wolf scenario, citing the lack of blood from other shoe as example. If this is an argument against lone wolf you need to have some explanation why there is completely no trace of the three people leaving in a hurry without cleaning themselves up. You can only assume they perfectly cleaned every single drop of blood, leaving only the trail of Guede's shoes.
There's a bit too much perfection IMO.

I think there's simply no way to explain no blood on Meredith's outside door and the front door, when according to RG his hands were covered in blood. His journal has been quoted many times in reference to other things he claims. I guess some want to forget he claimed this as well.

I think it's naïve to believe unconditionally in what Guede says.
He washed and wiped his hands - this is a perfectly sensible, common sense explanation.

 

[aa9511]

So you think they cleaned up the other shoe! Was it something ritualistic? And shouldn't there be blood on the walls and furniture on their way out? Did they clean it all up perfectly?

How do you think Rudy went out, Katody? What about his bleeding finger, how come it was not dripping blood anyplace all the way out to the front door? How did he manage to lock both doors with one hand bleeding out from a cut in the finger, without leaving a speck of evidence or blood on them? Wow!

 

[aa9511]

Have I ever ONCE stated that RG had blood on his right shoe? Again please don't put words in my mouth, this is getting ridiculous! :banghead:

I was making a point that RG managed to leave without getting blood all over the walls and furniture, I don't know why AK/RS can't (according to you) leave without touching everything.

I think there's simply no way to explain no blood on Meredith's outside door and the front door, when according to RG his hands were covered in blood. His journal has been quoted many times in reference to other things he claims. I guess some want to forget he claimed this as well.

Don't forget the bleeding finger, which is conveniently forgotten and tossed out and dismissed by innocent side! So they say he wiped his hands off with towels....or something....this had to be done between the time he opened the inner doorknob and the time he locked the outer doorknob, yet he still managed to throw the towel back into the blood somehow, but anywayyyyy..........and yet we still have this conundrum of the bleeding finger which would have still been bleeding despite wiping it with some towels, or something.

 

[aa9511]

You made a point that there should be more blood even in the lone wolf scenario, citing the lack of blood from other shoe as example. If this is an argument against lone wolf you need to have some explanation why there is completely no trace of the three people leaving in a hurry without cleaning themselves up. You can only assume they perfectly cleaned every single drop of blood, leaving only the trail of Guede's shoes.
There's a bit too much perfection IMO.





I think it's naïve to believe unconditionally in what Guede says.
He washed and wiped his hands - this is a perfectly sensible, common sense explanation.

I think what Amber was saying is that even in the lone-wolf scenario, there was little blood left by Rudy on the way out.....such that even one foot's shoeprint didn't have blood on it, so why would you think 2 more people would leave soooooo much extra blood as to have "everything covered" including walls and furniture?
Remember.....lone-wolf would be just Rudy. There would be no cleaning-up involved. And yet, even in lone-wolf, there is less blood with Rudy than we would imagine there would be.
So you can imagine less blood with Rudy in your lone-wolf, but you imagine Amanda and RS must be soaked and covered in blood from head-to-toe?

Washed and wiped his hands, huh? What about that bloody cut on his finger? What did he do with that? Wiping it off with some towel....or something....wouldn't stop the bleeding. If he wrapped it with something, how did he manage to control the keys and lock both doors with one hand, in the meantime not getting blood on any of the doors?

 

[otto]

It's starting ...

https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione/status/421194515714568192/photo/1

 

[otto]

La Nazione ‏@qn_lanazione 28m
Process Meredith, Raffaele Sollecito in the courtroom trying out video projector

La Nazione @ qn_lanazione 24s
Meredith process, hearing begins soon

https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione

 

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La Nazione @ 6s qn_lanazione
Meredith process begins with lawyer Giulia Bongiorno, in defense Meredith (sic)

Solecito's lawyer starts with allusion, much like she did when she introduced Amelie to the court.

This time, look to Satta.

La Nazione @ qn_lanazione 8s
Process Meredith, lawyer Bongiorno (Sollecito): "Raffaele and Amanda have become the symbol of depravity '

https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione

 

[otto]

The lawyer is alleging tunnel vision.

 

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La Nazione @ 1m qn_lanazione
Process Meredith, lawyer Bongiorno (Sollecito): "Against Amanda and Raffaele, a horde of sans-culottes" [people without privilege and rights; lower class common people (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/522646/sansculotte)

https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione


Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 1m
Bongiorno: Perugia declared "case closed" 4 days after Kercher murder, w/no murder weapon and a motive intended to calm public fear.

https://twitter.com/andreavogt

 

[otto]

The lawyer is arguing tunnel vision and pre-mature arrest.

La Nazione 4m @ qn_lanazione
Process Meredith, lawyer Bongiorno (Sollecito): "You have chosen an ideal motive and then followed the lombrosian criteria"

La Nazione @ qn_lanazione 5m
Process Meredith, lawyer Bongiorno: "Starting from the motive of the party, Amanda seemed the perfect choice of a guilty person"

https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione

 

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La Nazione 4m @ qn_lanazione
Process Meredith, lawyer Bongiorno (Sollecito): "You have chosen an ideal motive and then followed the lombrosian criteria"

La Nazione @ qn_lanazione 5m
Process Meredith, lawyer Bongiorno: "Starting from the motive of the party, Amanda seemed the perfect choice of a guilty person"

La Nazione @ qn_lanazione 3m
Process Meredith, lawyer Bongiorno (Sollecito): "Amanda was a protagonist before the start of the process"

La Nazione @ qn_lanazione 3m
Process Meredith, lawyer Bongiorno (Sollecito): "Amanda was the stronger part of the couple with Sollecito"

ETA:
Andrea Vogt ‏@andreavogt 3m
Bongiorno: "Amanda amanda amanda amanda amanda . . . And raffaele? Basta with sollecito always being considered Knox's other half."

https://twitter.com/andreavogt

La Nazione @ 1m qn_lanazione
Process Meredith, lawyer Bongiorno (Sollecito): "Raffaele is not only the other half of Amanda. Just a quick passion"

La Nazione @ 1m qn_lanazione
Meredith process, the lawyer Bongiorno (Sollecito) is showing some slides of the footprints at the crime scene

https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione

Finally she's addressing forensic evidence rather than literature!

 

[otto]

I think I've heard enough. Knox, a "strong woman", was "perceived" as the stronger personality of the two (Sollecito) so she was automatically blamed. Once sights were set on her, there was no changing direction for the prosecutor. The lawyer came out swinging with her "tunnel vision" argument, and I suspect that it will deteriorate from here.

 

[Tugela]

I think what Amber was saying is that even in the lone-wolf scenario, there was little blood left by Rudy on the way out.....such that even one foot's shoeprint didn't have blood on it, so why would you think 2 more people would leave soooooo much extra blood as to have "everything covered" including walls and furniture?
Remember.....lone-wolf would be just Rudy. There would be no cleaning-up involved. And yet, even in lone-wolf, there is less blood with Rudy than we would imagine there would be.
So you can imagine less blood with Rudy in your lone-wolf, but you imagine Amanda and RS must be soaked and covered in blood from head-to-toe?

Washed and wiped his hands, huh? What about that bloody cut on his finger? What did he do with that? Wiping it off with some towel....or something....wouldn't stop the bleeding. If he wrapped it with something, how did he manage to control the keys and lock both doors with one hand, in the meantime not getting blood on any of the doors?

A small wound would not necessarily have sprayed blood everywhere, simply binding it with a cloth would minimize blood loss. In any case, the only evidence would be his say so if no blood was found. Maybe he didn't cut himself at all, or the wound was minor.

Also, not all the deposited blood was/would have been tested, so in most cases they would have blood but not necessarily DNA confirmation of who it belonged to. They would not have been looking for someone else's blood, and I expect they assumed any blood there was MKs.

I think you guys have an unrealistic expectation of how blood is spread around on a crime scene. Mostly it is going to be around the victim, or where the victim had been after being wounded. The victim, after all, is the one losing blood, not the perp. The perp is probably going to wipe their hands after the act, so not much transfer is likely through that route unless they flee in a hurry. Most of what there is would be tracked by their feet/shoes, as that is more difficult to clean since they have to walk.

 

[redheadedgal]

so no one remembers where we discussed the "sack of ****" comment?

I think reading Follain one needs to remain critical. This guy lies and makes stuff up easily.

the review by mark mentions several of his errors: http://www.amazon.com/Death-Italy-D...?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0


amanda translated part of the kercher's attorneys closing arguments... it's ridiculous nonsense. one of the arguments is something like:

"even if the dna on the knife is not MK's, it is the dna of someone who's throat was cut with the knife"

what??!!

more @ http://www.amandaknox.com/2014/01/08/kercher-knox-closing-arguments/