Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#11

[SMK]

Someone took the time to rinse off the blood in the bathroom. There is no blood on the faucets where someone would have turned them on. Why would RG clean up the bathroom when his footprints were all over the bedroom?

BBM - Yes. And in any case, even leaving aside that there is no point in cleaning the bathroom when evidence has been left in the bedroom - a lone wolf burglar doesn't clean up at all. Just as Mignini when first noting the locked door and the duvet covering Meredith had thought, "there must be a woman involved", he also noted that no burglar would take the time to lock the door, or cover with a duvet, or as you note, clean a bathroom - they just beat it out of there.

 

[aa9511]

BBM - Yes. And in any case, even leaving aside that there is no point in cleaning the bathroom when evidence has been left in the bedroom - a lone wolf burglar doesn't clean up at all. Just as Mignini when first noting the locked door and the duvet covering Meredith had thought, "there must be a woman involved", he also noted that no burglar would take the time to lock the door, or cover with a duvet, or as you note, clean a bathroom - they just beat it out of there.

Yes, I often times think that Amanda and RS even having a chance (of getting free) is partly because of the things they did afterwards, and partly because of pure chance.

I think it is pure chance that more of their DNA was not found in the murder room. Much of it is probably mixed in with the pool of blood around Meredith, which gets pretty much lost because no one is ever going to test each and every drop of blood and speck of DNA.

I know others will disagree, but that's how I feel. Also chance that no one came back home that night or in the morning.

 

[Myvice]

In my mind, the things that RS and AK said to all the other players were said to try to lead the investigation in a certain way. I also think that's why AK didn't leave.

 

[Myvice]

Considering there is a drop of AK's blood on the sink faucet, that would have had to have happened after Rudy used the sink and cleaned it. Yet she says the blood was dry.


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[aa9511]

Considering there is a drop of AK's blood on the sink faucet, that would have had to have happened after Rudy used the sink and cleaned it. Yet she says the blood was dry.


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Good point.

 

[quesarita]

Well, it is true that Rudy himself went out dancing at Domus purposely to create an alibi for himself - but what good does that do, for him, or Amanda and Raffaelle, by causing a disturbance, if it is after the time of the murder? We know it did Rudy no good.

As for the unlatched door--- it still could point to someone in the cottage, which because the other girls were away, leaves only Amanda , and Rudy as an annex to "the boys downstairs". A break in with smashed window is supposed to scream, "outsider, stranger".

As far as I know, the exact time of the murder has been disputed. The alibi did Rudy no good because his prints and dna were all over the murder victim and scene.

 

[Amber29]

Someone took the time to rinse off the blood in the bathroom. There is no blood on the faucets where someone would have turned them on. Why would RG clean up the bathroom when his footprints were all over the bedroom?

Very good point on the faucets..where is the blood there? Yes very strange how careful RG was in the bathroom. He managed to only get blood on the bathmat none on the tile. Somehow he had blood on his hands when he hit the switch and none when he turned the water on or off.

 

[quesarita]

BBM - Yes. And in any case, even leaving aside that there is no point in cleaning the bathroom when evidence has been left in the bedroom - a lone wolf burglar doesn't clean up at all. Just as Mignini when first noting the locked door and the duvet covering Meredith had thought, "there must be a woman involved", he also noted that no burglar would take the time to lock the door, or cover with a duvet, or as you note, clean a bathroom - they just beat it out of there.

True, but I don't believe Rudy or anyone else cleaned the bathroom. I believe he walked in and turned on the light, leaving Meredith's blood on the door jamb and light switch, and immediately grabbed all the towels in the room to avoid having to touch any other surface with bare hands - he used the towels.

Then he went back into the bedroom and left from there, having stepped in blood with his left shoe. The towels could have been important to the case, had they not been "destroyed".

 

[Myvice]

Interesting. Maybe he used the sock to avoid leaving fingerprints on the handles of both bags, not expecting his DNA to get left behind INSIDE the bag.

But why would RS suddenly get concerned about leaving prints when he's right there looking at his footprints? He wasn't concerned about blood on the door handle?

 

[aa9511]

Very good point on the faucets..where is the blood there? Yes very strange how careful RG was in the bathroom. He managed to only get blood on the bathmat none on the tile. Somehow he had blood on his hands when he hit the switch and none when he turned the water on or off.

Very strange. And those sparkling clean doorhandles....looking like the Pine-Sol lady or Mr. Clean just sparkled them up so nice and shiny........

 

[Myvice]

True, but I don't believe Rudy or anyone else cleaned the bathroom. I believe he walked in and turned on the light, leaving Meredith's blood on the door jamb and light switch, and immediately grabbed all the towels in the room to avoid having to touch any other surface with bare hands - he used the towels.

Then he went back into the bedroom and left from there, having stepped in blood with his left shoe. The towels could have been important to the case, had they not been "destroyed".

Then how did the bloody foot print get on the bath mat?

 

[quesarita]

But why would RS suddenly get concerned about leaving prints when he's right there looking at his footprints? He wasn't concerned about blood on the door handle?

I don't know? Not the brightest guy? Thinking fingerprints would be more dangerous to him than shoe prints?

 

[aa9511]

True, but I don't believe Rudy or anyone else cleaned the bathroom. I believe he walked in and turned on the light, leaving Meredith's blood on the door jamb and light switch, and immediately grabbed all the towels in the room to avoid having to touch any other surface with bare hands - he used the towels.

Then he went back into the bedroom and left from there, having stepped in blood with his left shoe. The towels could have been important to the case, had they not been "destroyed".

Well IMO in that case he would be like a dinosaur with big gigantic strides, managing to only touch down one foot once in the bathroom.

 

[quesarita]

Then how did the bloody foot print get on the bath mat?

Standing on a towel to remove his shoe and rinse his pant leg, using a towel to turn the water on, take the towels out when he goes. The towel on the floor absorbed most of the water, the bath mat some of the water and footprint.

 

[Myvice]

Could someone point me to where it shows that RG had blood on his pant leg, please? Since it's been brought up so much I'm sure there must be a reason for it.

I'm wondering why he would have so much blood on his pant leg. His upper body I could understand, but why his pant leg? And if his pant leg had that much blood on it than wouldn't his shoe been bloody as well to where he would have rinsed that off as well?

 

[aa9511]

Standing on a towel to remove his shoe and rinse his pant leg, using a towel to turn the water on, take the towels out when he goes. The towel on the floor absorbed most of the water, the bath mat some of the water and footprint.

Where are the footprints going to the bathroom to reach the towels?

Why woudl he go through all the trouble doing that, but then step in blood and then walk out of the house leaving his shoeprints?

He never went to the bathroom, is what I think. The supporters of her innocence are always telling us we're inventing evidence out of thin air, but the case of Rudy and the small bathroom, they do "same" thing.

They are always telling us, we're inventing stories to place Amanda and RS at the crime scene.

But in the case of small bathroom, they invent evidence/stories to place Rudy in the bathroom.

So I see it as double standard. JMO.

 

[quesarita]

Where are the footprints going to the bathroom to reach the towels?

Why woudl he go through all the trouble doing that, but then step in blood and then walk out of the house leaving his shoeprints?

He never went to the bathroom, is what I think. The supporters of her innocence are always telling us we're inventing evidence out of thin air, but the case of Rudy and the small bathroom, they do "same" thing.

They are always telling us, we're inventing stories to place Amanda and RS at the crime scene.

But in the case of small bathroom, they invent evidence/stories to place Rudy in the bathroom.

So I see it as double standard. JMO.

Understood. SOMEONE left smears of blood on the door jamb and light switch, and watery blood on the bathmat.

There is a lack of blood elsewhere and lack of luminol indicators of blood being wiped or washed which leads me to believe that the person who left the blood on the door jamb and switch used towels from the bathroom to avoid leaving additional smears which might have shown fingerprints and then took the towels into the bedroom, rather than cleaning the smears after creating them.

 

[quesarita]

Could someone point me to where it shows that RG had blood on his pant leg, please? Since it's been brought up so much I'm sure there must be a reason for it.

I'm wondering why he would have so much blood on his pant leg. His upper body I could understand, but why his pant leg? And if his pant leg had that much blood on it than wouldn't his shoe been bloody as well to where he would have rinsed that off as well?

Hm, haven't found a good site for what I read (that he had to throw away both his pants and shoes when he got to Germany) but this was most interesting:
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Rudy_Guede's_Skype_Conversation

He tried to pin it on Amanda by saying she must have put Meredith's clothes in the washing machine, and Meredith was dressed when he left! After he'd heard mention of the washing machine being "on" in early news reports.

 

[SMK]

Well IMO in that case he would be like a dinosaur with big gigantic strides, managing to only touch down one foot once in the bathroom.

:laugh::laugh::silly::silly:

 

[Myvice]

Hm, haven't found a good site for what I read (that he had to throw away both his pants and shoes when he got to Germany) but this was most interesting:
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Rudy_Guede's_Skype_Conversation

He tried to pin it on Amanda by saying she must have put Meredith's clothes in the washing machine, and Meredith was dressed when he left! After he'd heard mention of the washing machine being "on" in early news reports.

Thanks for the link. I had read that, but he says he was covered in blood. I don't understand where the pant leg thing came from. To me it seems like someone had to invent the theory to explain the bare foot print. In my mind, I can't imagine taking off my shoe to wash my pant leg. I would rinse my shoe at the same time and get out. That's just me.