Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#12

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That lamp is certainly problematic in the Guede Did It scenario.
Yes, to be sure.

Although some have tried to explain it away (eg Meridith borrowed it, etc. ) it remains there, like a silent accusation.

(One can imagine the lamp plugged in, and Knox and Sollecito making a visual sweep of the room, while the victim lay covered and out of sight....)
 
  • #442
Yes, to be sure.

Although some have tried to explain it away (eg Meridith borrowed it, etc. ) it remains there, like a silent accusation.

(One can imagine the lamp plugged in, and Knox and Sollecito making a visual sweep of the room, while the victim lay covered and out of sight....)

Since Meredith's bedroom had a ceiling light and a desk lamp, and there doesn't appear to be any reason for Meredith to put Knox's lamp on the floor of her bedroom while leaving her own lamp on the desk, it's unlikely that Meredith borrowed the lamp.

That is, if Meredith needed a desk lamp on the floor, it's more likely that she would put her lamp on the floor. Knox's lamp on the floor looks more like someone needed extra light to look for something after the murder and then forgot to return the lamp to Knox's bedroom.
 
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Since Meredith's bedroom had a ceiling light and a desk lamp, and there doesn't appear to be any reason for Meredith to put Knox's lamp on the floor of her bedroom while leaving her own lamp on the desk, it's unlikely that Meredith borrowed the lamp.

That is, if Meredith needed a desk lamp on the floor, it's more likely that she would put her lamp on the floor. Knox's lamp on the floor looks more like someone needed extra light to look for something after the murder and then forgot to return the lamp to Knox's bedroom.

Why is Meredith's desk lamp also on the floor and not on the bedside table? It's not tipped over, it's standing up.

Also, why is the cord of Amanda's lamp outside of the room? It seems unlikely that it would remain there while the door was being broken down and people entering the room. Who entered first? It was Luca Altieri, not the police, correct? In his testimony he said Battistelli entered the room which Battistelli denies - no resolution on that discrepancy in court.
 
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Since Meredith's bedroom had a ceiling light and a desk lamp, and there doesn't appear to be any reason for Meredith to put Knox's lamp on the floor of her bedroom while leaving her own lamp on the desk, it's unlikely that Meredith borrowed the lamp.

That is, if Meredith needed a desk lamp on the floor, it's more likely that she would put her lamp on the floor. Knox's lamp on the floor looks more like someone needed extra light to look for something after the murder and then forgot to return the lamp to Knox's bedroom.
It would seem that way, yes.
 
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Why is Meredith's desk lamp also on the floor and not on the bedside table? It's not tipped over, it's standing up.

Also, why is the cord of Amanda's lamp outside of the room? It seems unlikely that it would remain there while the door was being broken down and people entering the room. Who entered first? It was Luca Altieri, not the police, correct? In his testimony he said Battistelli entered the room which Battistelli denies - no resolution on that discrepancy in court.
Is there a picture of the lamps and the cord?
 
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Is there a picture of the lamps and the cord?

I see one photo of Meredith's lamp and two photos of the door and cord to Amanda's lamp, which as I understand it was behind the door.
 

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Is this Amanda's lamp? Or Meredith's?
 

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Is this Amanda's lamp? Or Meredith's?

Yes, that is the 3rd photo I didn't finish uploading - Meredith's lamp.
 
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I see one photo of Meredith's lamp and two photos of the door and cord to Amanda's lamp, which as I understand it was behind the door.
Could this cord have gotten that way from people coming in and out of the crime scene?

Surely it was not sticking out when they knocked down the door?

In fact, I think during the crime scene walk-through, someone's foot dragged the cord out.
 
  • #450
Yes, that is the 3rd photo I didn't finish uploading - Meredith's lamp.
OK, thanks. I think Hendry is right: Meredith's lamp fell on the floor.

But where is Amanda's lamp, I only see the cord.
 
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OK, thanks. I think Hendry is right: Meredith's lamp fell on the floor. But where is Amanda's lamp, I only see the cord.

It's apparently behind the door, but I can't find any actual photos. It looks as if the cord was plugged into the outlet next to the door, so if it was plugged in the cored would stretch across the doorway and be in the way of anyone walking in or out. If the lamp was unplugged for someone to exit after using the lamp, how would they forget about taking the lamp with them?

It seems more likely to me that someone stood in the doorway using the lamp, and then put it "out of the way" behind the open door. IMO
 
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It's apparently behind the door, but I can't find any actual photos. It looks as if the cord was plugged into the outlet next to the door, so if it was plugged in the cored would stretch across the doorway and be in the way of anyone walking in or out. If the lamp was unplugged for someone to exit after using the lamp, how would they forget about taking the lamp with them?

It seems more likely to me that someone stood in the doorway using the lamp, and then put it "out of the way" behind the open door. IMO
Yes, that would make sense, thanks.
 
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Thanks for finding that. It's interesting, because I have spent some time looking at how the rock could have been thrown from the parking pad and through the window, and I came to the conclusion that the right inner shutter (from the inside) was most likely closed. Additionally, in trying to understand why the rock was aimed at the left (from inside the room) side of the window, I wondered if the left inner shutter was open. That is, in order to understand the trajectory of the rock, I arrived at the conclusion that is consistent with what Filomina said about the shutters, even though I didn't know that this is what she said about the shutters.

Something else that I've wondered is that although there were no bars on the window at the time of the murder, if the window was broken, could the wooden frame have been used to hoist someone up to the window ledge in the same way that the newly installed security bars were used.

It is still very unusual that none of the glass from the window fell to the ground below. I have seen the usual reply to this, suggesting that investigators did not look for evidence below the window, but that simply isn't true. So the question is, if Guede did break the window and did scale the wall, is it simply an unusual situation that none of the glass fell from the ledge to the ground below as he climbed onto the ledge and into the window? We know from the video of the athlete that he was all over the window ledge as he climbed, so it does seem unusual that the glass on the ledge was not disturbed.

Additionally, Guede had been caught inside places (the nursery school), but he didn't attack anyone, instead he was passive. What would make a break in at the cottage different, where he would murder instead of do what he always did in the past?

Because there was two men (locksmith & assistant) with her in the nursery protecting her.
 
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It's apparently behind the door, but I can't find any actual photos. It looks as if the cord was plugged into the outlet next to the door, so if it was plugged in the cored would stretch across the doorway and be in the way of anyone walking in or out. If the lamp was unplugged for someone to exit after using the lamp, how would they forget about taking the lamp with them?

It seems more likely to me that someone stood in the doorway using the lamp, and then put it "out of the way" behind the open door. IMO

Is it a lamp?

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/miscellaneous/nov_2_and_3_edited.zip
 

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for comparison:

[video=youtube;eJ38uzwD2Is]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ38uzwD2Is[/video]
 

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The simulation here does not recreate the exact conditions (the rock does not land beneath a table and chair and in a bag). How does it look to anyone else's eyes?

The rock is doing what I anticipated, and that is that after hitting the window and shutter, it continues on its path into the center of the room. It doesn't veer to the right and end up under the desk.
 
  • #459
The rock is doing what I anticipated, and that is that after hitting the window and shutter, it continues on its path into the center of the room. It doesn't veer to the right and end up under the desk.

It certainly doesn't land in the center of the room. The landing spot looks to me like the location of the black paper bag in Meredith's room, if the bag was there.
 
  • #460
I thought Ottos's point that Rudy needed the keys to get out the front door was an excellent one, and points to the fact that after the murder, the only front door key in the house was Meredith's.

That makes sense, but I would think there would be more of a back-and-forth in that case. I don't think, first of all, that Meredith would have made it all the way to her room without seeing Rudy. The struggle would have began and probably ended outside of her room. Why is the struggle only contained to Meredith's room?

Second, ok in your scenario, so he sees her and decides to kill her so she doesn't say anything. How does he automatically know the door is locked? After the murder, all the nervousness, with dead body there and him bloody and with literally blood on his hands, how did he have the sense of calm to think about the door being locked. How did he even know it was locked? As I have stated before, I do not think that Meredith would have made it all the way to her room without seeing Rudy, for Rudy to then have a chance to check out the front door first.

So, he kills her, how does he know the door is locked? Wouldn't there be footprints going to the door, he checks the door (also blood on doorknob), realizes it's locked, runs back to the room to see if he can find her keys. Back and forth. Also a bit of walking around in her room to find the keys. How does he immediately know where they are? There would have been evidence of this action. Instead, the evidence we have is that he walks straight out the front door after the murder.
 
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